Batman Vs Superman - Dawn Of Justice

[ODogg]

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I think the biggest issue with the film is simply a lack of lighthearted, memorable moments to break up all the seriousness. It would have been better reviewed had there been more "heart" to it in regards of some joking around to break the tension I think, ESPECIALLY because it was such a long movie.

Note: I speak as a semi-comic book, "casual" fan which I believe to be the majority of the movie going audience not the hard-core "his pants are slightly too high on his right side and it's missing a stripe" crowd...

As for the comic book die-hards, I feel sorry for them because I'm sure they saw a ton of things that make them unhappy, but then again, those people are rarely satisfied with even the greatest of movies because things are changed so not surprised by that..

[mestevo]

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My complaint about that bit was 'Martha' snapping Batman out of his rage, when a: who says their mom's name like that? it would have been a much better moment if he would have said 'have to save my mom' (more humanizing, which is the root of Batman's xenophobia) and b: Lois was not in the room and comes running in and reacting to the name, lol.

There was a lot to like about the movie, but most of the concerns and problems are pretty understandable. Some good characters and set pieces, overall a pretty poor movie. There's a fantastic 120 minutes or so, absolutely.

[Blzer]

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My complaint about that bit was 'Martha' snapping Batman out of his rage, when a: who says their mom's name like that? it would have been a much better moment if he would have said 'have to save my mom' (more humanizing, which is the root of Batman's xenophobia) and b: Lois was not in the room and comes running in and reacting to the name, lol.

I'm very back-and-forth on this moment. Very back-and-forth. I know the reason it turned Batman/Bruce around, but you're right, it was so very strange. Who the hell ever yells like that? Very strange.

A lot of other weirdness behind it, but this had to be better thought out. I know it was supposed to be emotional and heartfelt, but it didn't really come off that way for me.

Funny, however, that I have said Martha Kent and Martha Wayne very many times, yet I have never connected the fact that their names are the same. Much like when I very recently realized Batman has more than one villain with a first name of Victor.

[DieHardYankee26]

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My biggest thing with comic book movies is when they change things arbitrarily. Like "what if Lex Luthor was a tech billionaire instead of what everyone thinks he is"



Just make a new ****ing character instead of trying to get the best of both worlds, using the name and trying to get your new character across. In that instance it makes me mad because the only reason he's named Lex Luthor is because they know we'll react to it. It's got nothing to do with the movie or the fans, and everything to do with just business. Then when they don't do it right it comes off as someone who doesn't care about the source material changing things because they don't like it.



And in case someone asks, "So you just want to see the comic book brought to life exactly as it was?" The answer is yes. That is what I want in most cases. Or for an original story to be told, not a poorly told version of a story I already know. It sucks being a fan sometimes, but we've gotta hold these guys to high standards because the mainstream audience doesn't really care either way.

[Leon]

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My biggest thing with comic book movies is when they change things arbitrarily. Like "what if Lex Luthor was a tech billionaire instead of what everyone thinks he is"



Just make a new ****ing character instead of trying to get the best of both worlds, using the name and trying to get your new character across. In that instance it makes me mad because the only reason he's named Lex Luthor is because they know we'll react to it. It's got nothing to do with the movie or the fans, and everything to do with just business. Then when they don't do it right it comes off as someone who doesn't care about the source material changing things because they don't like it.

I don't see why Lex Luthor being a tech billionaire changes the character in any way. He's still rich, smart, considers himself above normal human beings (see the Lex Mansion party and his speech) and this version even keeps some of the mad scientist persona he's had in the past. We've had how many Superman movies with Lex the real-estate villain, so this change is much appreciated (for me).

Now when it comes to how Jesse Eisenberg portrayed him, then I wouldn't even argue with anyone. I liked it, and if others didn't, well, that doesn't bother me.

[mestevo]

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They kind of hand-waved that and said he is Luthor's son anyways.

I don't really have problems with his performance.

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[Graphik]

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My complaint about that bit was 'Martha' snapping Batman out of his rage, when a: who says their mom's name like that? it would have been a much better moment if he would have said 'have to save my mom' (more humanizing, which is the root of Batman's xenophobia) and b: Lois was not in the room and comes running in and reacting to the name, lol.

There was a lot to like about the movie, but most of the concerns and problems are pretty understandable. Some good characters and set pieces, overall a pretty poor movie. There's a fantastic 120 minutes or so, absolutely.

I agree with this part as its one of the moments where it all feels rushed.

Spoiler

Louis basically just flys a helicopter to the scene where batman and superman are having this epic battle and she just arrives like "hey, don't kill him". Just seemed like a forced end to a great fight. Then she proceeds to randomly drop the krypto spear down some random body of water. Lets forget that if the spear falls into the wrong hands, it could possibly kill Superman but oh well, let me just ditch this right here, lol.

[King_B_Mack]

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People that were expecting it to be bad went into the theatre solely to take note of everything they did wrong.

People that were expecting it to be good went into the theatre to take note of everything they did right.

And then there were people like me that went into the theatre with no expectations other than seeing a comic book movie that included the DC Holy Trinity, and that's what we got.

This is a load of crap tbh.

I expected this movie to be crap every step of the way from the moment it was announced it wasn't going to be a true sequel to Man of Steel and that it'd be their way to fast track to a Justice League movie. I did not walk into the theater "solely to take note of everything they did wrong" and I walked out of the theater not thinking that the movie was terrible, but not thinking that it was great or some epic thing that nailed a comic book movie. It was meh for me even though I saw some things I liked and some things I hated. No need to lump everyone into a specific pile to fit your viewpoint.

[jfsolo]

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They kind of hand-waved that and said he is Luthor's son anyways.

I don't really have problems with his performance.

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The Tech Billionaire part is completely irrelevant, IMO. It doesn't inform the character in any way.

Eisenberg could have been a great Luthor, because you can see it in some of the moments. IMO, all of his actions evoke the true Luthor menace, but the quirkish personality that they game him undermined the whole performance.

I don't know if it was his choice or the writers or the director, but it's hard to fathom how anyone thought that that characterization was the right one to use.

[TripleCrown9]

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Cool, different opinions. That doesn't change my thoughts.

[23]

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Cool, different opinions. That doesn't change my thoughts.

I had no expectations and I still don't agree with how you just threw out the blanket "all yall just wanted to see something bad"

They definitely messed some things up here, whether you liked it or not. I don't think anyone is calling it a dumpster fire either, but more like a huge wasted opportunity

[TripleCrown9]

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I never said "all y'all wanted to see something bad".

The people that thought it would be bad are the ones that didn't like it.

The people that thought it would be good are the ones that liked it.

And there's been a few people in here, as well as tons on Twitter that have treated this like a dumpster fire. "Get rid of Snyder and don't let him anywhere near another comic movie", "Might as well start over and reboot now" after the second freaking movie.

My opinion won't change on this. It was bad to the people that wanted/thought it would be bad.

[Leon]

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They kind of hand-waved that and said he is Luthor's son anyways.

I don't really have problems with his performance.

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Jesse Eisenberg is Alexander Luthor Jr.

His dad is Alexander Luthor Sr. Also, dead. Let's throw the whole "he's not really Lex Luthor anyway since he's a Jr!" view. The only thing Luthor Sr. shares with traditionally known Lex Luthor is building a company and getting rich.

Edit: Viral marketing hasn't stopped. https://www.instagram.com/p/BDyTnLjghwI/ Yes, it's the same year as Justice League.

[23]

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You must not have paid attention to the whole kryptonite thing.

Yeah i paid attention alright

There were ALOT of things that could've been done much better on that front

[tdawg3782]

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Though let's be fair, Nolan's Bat-universe doesn't belong with Superman and any other... dare I say "superhuman" elements.

Their biggest mistake still remains to be an early explosion rather than a build-up. The one thing I fail to understand is why everybody says that DC is trying to "catch up to Marvel." I know what you're saying and I'm sure that it's true, but I don't understand why there needs to be any catching up. They could do this thirty years from now, and it won't be any different. It's not like technology, it's just a set of films. I just never quite understood why they felt they needed to rush.

The main reason I was against this film when it was initially announced was because I didn't want there to be another Batman for a while. I wanted Nolan's Batman to be the "definition of" in the film market and let it sit in for a while, then eventually they could reboot him with another vision... but not just four years down the road. Oh well, it happened. Batman was cool, too. It's a shame the movie he was in wasn't that cool.

I think the "Catch up to Marvel" thing is that while comic movies are huge right now who knows how long they will stay popular. Iron Man came out in 2008 I think. So we are entering the 8th year of Marvel movies. Most likely WB is just trying to cash in on all the hype that comic movies have now and is rushing to catch up and have a strong universe. I don't really agree but that is my speculation. I would have loved a slow build up like Marvel has done. But working for a big company has taught me that the higher ups never know what the **** is going on and make countless stupid decisions.