Batman Vs Superman - Dawn Of Justice

[jeebs9]

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Got to say I love how this is turning out. Superman is new on the block. Using the whole he destroyed the city thing. As a backing why Batman isn't all in love with him. One of my favorite parts of the trailer is Lex saying "The red capes are coming,"= Paul Revere's "The red coats are coming."

[jeebs9]

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This poster on reddit attempted to outline the story and does a pretty damn convicing job of it. I'm almost weary that he's a little too accurate and knows these things for sure, so I'll spoiler in case.

Spoiler

It's going to be a 100% twist from the trailers. Here is how the heroes will show up and deal with each other.

We are led to believe that Batman is hunting Superman on behalf of humanity.

In reality, it's Superman who hunts down this vigilante of Gotham. Those wanting to see Superman gone are mostly those who believe that Batman exists and is keeping Gotham safe -- basically batman groupies. Batman is framed by the Joker to have killed Jason Todd/Robin, and Superman finds out about the story that Batman killed Robin, who was a friendlier superhero and one unequivocally on the side of good and revered by Gotham.

As for the Man of Steel events, there were very few witnesses, and the word is that Superman is not just a god, but he's one who is able to kill the Zod that the entire planet knows of (he broadcasted himself). It's widely accepted that Superman saved the world from Zod, where both sides of the globe experienced the world machine damage. But Bruce Wayne is skeptical as to Superman's moral compass, since few people know for sure that Superman HAD to kill -- and remember, this is Batman, who doesn't kill under ANY circumstance. Batman is incredibly concerned about this god who killed another god, meaning he could easily wipe out humanity.

Batman is nearing the end of his career. He is going to pretend to get sloppy and provoke Superman and try a gambit to get Superman to fight him...to death. Batman has his supporters but they're in the minority, but if Superman actually kills a human without due process, he will be vilified and feared as a weapon that completely goes against both constitutional and natural laws...especially when they find out that Superman killed not only Batman, but Bruce freaking Wayne.

Superman doesn't attack at first. But Batman has actually been working with Luthor for advantages, like krypton-tipped batarangs (we see the batarang scar/imprint on Superman's bare chest). Batman attacks and injures superman, looking like he's trying to kill him. Superman is starting to feel both 1) legitimately vulnerable and 2) that Batman is malicious.

Batman is beaten to near death and waits for superman's killing blow -- again, that's Batman's ultimate gambit, to die and show Superman's bad side so that humanity rallies to shut him down --but it never comes. Batman is now 100% assured that Supes HAD to kill Zod, as he would not kill someone trying to kill him but is no longer a threat (aka Batman, who nearly kills Superman, but is beaten to a pulp and can fight anymore, expecting death, but Superman exhibits restraint and never even considers killing him).

Alfred is glad Bruce is alive, and reassures him that Superman is indeed one of the good guys needed for the "war."

Batman is thus convinced that Superman doesn't kill unless lethal force is justified.

As for Wonder Woman, she's the one who helps Batman, and when she is engaged in combat against Superman, Batman is using his Luthor-innovated weapons to try to attack Supes. Superman incapacitates Wonder Woman, and it's then that it's just Batman V Superman.

As for Aquaman, he will get a cameo when the rocket launch in Florida (a place like Cape Canaveral) goes awry, and debris and half of the rocket are littered all over the Atlantic Ocean (if would make the most sense for him to be there, as it's in the middle of a bunch of major locations).

In the trailer, we only see half of the rocket being caught by Superman, and it's only the TOP half, which means the BOTTOM part with the throttle is at large and missing. Superman traces it and sees the bottom half headed for a cruise ship in the Atlantic, and Superman is racing to chase it down to save the cruise ship....but Aquaman saves them from getting hit by manipulating the water to create huge waves and a mini hurricane, with the hurricane slowing the rocket and washing out the throttle, and the waves are creating a 60-foot wave as a wall to block the ship from impact.

Superman arrives too late to save the rocket himself.

After a stare down, with Superman floating and Aquaman standing on top of a 40-foot spurt of water that re-feeds itself, almost like he's standing on top of a million gallon burst of water driving up out of the ocean looking like a bigger version of a broken fire hydrant spewing water.

Done staring each other down, looking at each other's good work, Superman and Aquaman have instant mutual trust, or at least respect.

This Aquaman will have hydrokinetic abilities, and they'll tone down the "I'm king of all ocean life and get fish and manta rays to help me out," which just doesn't work on screen and certainly doesn't work in the DCCU. What we get is a warrior with superhero strength and speed and the ability to control water. He is Aquaman and not "marine biology man."

We won't see the Flash. When Zod's body is being examined, Wally West is a lead forensic investigator and is the one who examines and researches Zod's DNA.

We find out that Luthor sabotaged the rocket launch to get Superman to show up. We find out that Lex helped both sides, Batman and Superman, to take each other out (Lex supplied the soldiers to Supes, supplied the weapons to Batman). Lexcorp gets a government contract to weaponize the krypton leftovers by reverse engineering....through Holly Hunter, the senator.

Wally West is just not feeling like this is...Right. Neither are the other heroes. Batman infiltrates Lexcorp to examine what is going on as Wally is working on Zod, and Wally is on Supes' side and opposes Batman. Again, we won't see the Flash, but that big yellow explosion that was made to look like Wonder Woman created it was an incident at STAR labs granting West powers. The most we see is West's POV on a certain action scene, with everything moving slowly, with vintage Zach Snyder slow motion action to be put in even slower, higher frame rate use. Wally knows he has increased reaction time but hasn't figured out that he can run fast...yet.

We find out Luthor has fingers in all sorts of pies, from corrupt politicians to corrupt businesses to conspiracies and illegal testing and inventions, including weapons of mass destruction. Lex loses his hair via chemotherapy through too much time spent with kryptonite radiation, giving him accelerated cancer. This is why he seeks Zod's body - he wants to see what is in the kryptonian DNA that allows them to withstand kryptonite radiation, even if it weakens them when yellow sun rays are mixed. The brief shot of the Asian lady is Lex's personal oncologist.

Jesus... Maybe I shouldn't have read that. That seems like a really good plot and story. I say don't read this. It's too close to what might actually happen.

[SPTO]

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It reminded me of Red Son.

Great comic!! I can't wait for them to animate that one.

Speaking of great graphic novels the DCCU will be tackling The Killing Joke. That will be really interesting IMO.

[Sinner]

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Jesus... Maybe I shouldn't have read that. That seems like a really good plot and story. I say don't read this. It's too close to what might actually happen.

I read over the bold part of the first few sentences and wanted to keep going...seemed like what could happen and pretty good. Want to read the rest so bad but going to hold strong. heh

[Blzer]

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Got to say I love how this is turning out. Superman is new on the block. Using the whole he destroyed the city thing. As a backing why Batman isn't all in love with him. One of my favorite parts of the trailer is Lex saying "The red capes are coming,"= Paul Revere's "The red coats are coming."

Yeah, maybe I'm the only one who liked Jesse's portrayal. I'm not a big comic book fan in general so I can't say what my ideal Lex Luthor would be, but he was the most fascinating character in that trailer for me.

[ExtremeGamer]

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Love, love, love the trailer. The Jason Todd reference in the trailer gave me chills to where they are taking this.

[aukevin]

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Love, love, love the trailer. The Jason Todd reference in the trailer gave me chills to where they are taking this.

I wonder how long ago Robin will have been gone in this movie. I assume he's been killed by Joker because of the message and you can see what looks like bullet holes in the costume to me (and the comic history). The vibe I got from the trailer was that it wasn't a recent event, but instead something that still haunts Batman. Since this is an older Batman, I wonder if the Joker from the Suicide Squad movie is the same one that killed Robin.

[ExtremeGamer]

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All good questions. All questions I can't wait to see answered. DC did it for me, I'm very interested in their cinematic universe now where I wasn't before. If their movies start to match their animated films, we are in for a treat.


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[jeebs9]

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I wonder how long ago Robin will have been gone in this movie. I assume he's been killed by Joker because of the message and you can see what looks like bullet holes in the costume to me (and the comic history). The vibe I got from the trailer was that it wasn't a recent event, but instead something that still haunts Batman. Since this is an older Batman, I wonder if the Joker from the Suicide Squad movie is the same one that killed Robin.

I think it is.

[Leon]

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I wonder how long ago Robin will have been gone in this movie. I assume he's been killed by Joker because of the message and you can see what looks like bullet holes in the costume to me (and the comic history). The vibe I got from the trailer was that it wasn't a recent event, but instead something that still haunts Batman. Since this is an older Batman, I wonder if the Joker from the Suicide Squad movie is the same one that killed Robin.

I think it is.

It's the same. Suicide Squad is in the same universe, along with all other films that have been announced.

[ExtremeGamer]

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Yeah, Joker definitely killed Robin, they are going off the "Death in the Family" comic storyline for sure there. Which brings up tons of interesting scenarios.

[BlueNGold]

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I'm really hoping that scene with The Joker at the end of the Suicide Squad trailer is him torturing Jason Todd. It would tie in so well with everything.

The Robin suit looks charred, like it was involved in an explosion (just like the scene where Jason is being tortured in the comic/animated movie).

Batman is in retirement because of that and only gets drawn out because of the appearance of Superman.

The Joker (hopefully) served jail time for the killing of Jason Todd. This would explain his new look and make it somewhat acceptable. The metal teeth could be from Batman beating the **** out of him post-Jason torture.

[jeebs9]

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I've watched the trailer too many times lol

[King_B_Mack]

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Still not sold on Gadot as WW or WW in this movie in general, but damn if they didn't nail that trailer. I've been very skeptical of this entire thing, but that trailer did wonders for pushing me towards looking forward to this now.

Only other thing that I hope is they don't overthink things. Give us Jason Todd and don't swap him out and make it Dick. I remember back when the news was still semi fresh on this being the Justice League setup that they were looking to cast Dick Grayson in this movie and Adam Driver was who they were looking at (terrible casting choice for him btw) for the role. I could totally see them trying to be smarter than the room knowing everybody knows Jason Todd is the Robin who's been killed by Joker and making it Dick the one that's killed instead. I need Nightwing/Dick done properly in video gaming and live action films/television, so let's not have any of this swap out stuff please.

[Sinner]

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King have anybody else in mind you think should play WW? Gadot didn't really fit for me either but I couldn't think of anybody else who could play it that have the look.

Well Rhonda came to mind for look but don't think she could pull it off as far as acting