Batman Vs Superman - Dawn Of Justice

[redsox4evur]

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Question for the panel. What started this trend was it Iron Man? Or was it Batman Begins, which came out in 2005?

[tdawg3782]

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My biggest thing with comic book movies is when they change things arbitrarily. Like "what if Lex Luthor was a tech billionaire instead of what everyone thinks he is"



Just make a new ****ing character instead of trying to get the best of both worlds, using the name and trying to get your new character across. In that instance it makes me mad because the only reason he's named Lex Luthor is because they know we'll react to it. It's got nothing to do with the movie or the fans, and everything to do with just business. Then when they don't do it right it comes off as someone who doesn't care about the source material changing things because they don't like it.



And in case someone asks, "So you just want to see the comic book brought to life exactly as it was?" The answer is yes. That is what I want in most cases. Or for an original story to be told, not a poorly told version of a story I already know. It sucks being a fan sometimes, but we've gotta hold these guys to high standards because the mainstream audience doesn't really care either way.

Dude you just gave the ultimate answer to what these producers think. They don't care about die hard fans. They care about mainstream fans because that is where most of there income will come from.

Personally I go see movies that I think will entertain me. They might not be homeruns every time but honestly I never walk away mad. I just don't care enough to get upset. That's just me though.

[tdawg3782]

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Question for the panel. What started this trend was it Iron Man? Or was it Batman Begins, which came out in 2005?

I personally think Iron Man, The Incredible Hulk, and Iron Man 2 successes started the superhero surge. Nolans Batman trilogy was huge but I don't think anybody necessarily saw multiple comic heroes being popular from a Batman movie since he is so universally popular and well liked.

[mestevo]

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Iron Man established a realistic and plausible world while Thor showed they can pull off just about anything imaginable. That's why MCU is successful.

Batman v Superman is what happens when you put Superman in a Batman movie, part of why it didn't feel as successful imo. Man of Steel want as good of a foundation as Iron Man.

Very interested in a standalone Batman movie with Batfleck if they can get him to do it.

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[King_B_Mack]

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What trend are we talking about here? Comic book movies? Cause if that's the question then you have to go all the way back to 1998 or 99 (I forget the year). Batman and Robin had pretty much ruined comic book movies in Hollywood. Nobody really wanted to touch them after that disaster. Blade came out and it was good. Good enough to get a studio to roll with X-Men in 2000 which made comic movies alright again. Spider-Man hit and took them to new heights.


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[NINJAK2]

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I personally think Iron Man, The Incredible Hulk, and Iron Man 2 successes started the superhero surge. Nolans Batman trilogy was huge but I don't think anybody necessarily saw multiple comic heroes being popular from a Batman movie since he is so universally popular and well liked.

I know Spiderman 3 ruined that initial trilogy and many want to forget it but I'd have to say Spiderman 1 w/Tobey(2002) is what started the ball rolling on the Comic book film explosion. Conceivably you could even say that the 1st X-men (2000) was the catalyst. Spiderman 2 and X2 are still two of my favorites.. .


TripleCrown9- I can't really understand your thought process that everyone who didn't like this film went into it wanting not to like it. That seems like a far reaching claim. Makes it sound like people who don't like this film were just haters to begin with or something... lol. Do you not believe there are actually some people out there who were actually excited and looking forward to seeing this film who are authentically disappointed in the product? I for one did have my initial doubts about Lex in the reveal trailer. He had two and a half hours to win me over and he couldn't do it. Had my doubts about Ledger as Joker in DK prior to seeing it. He had 2 1/2 hours to win me over and he did. I only bring up this comparison to show that we can all go into something with preconceived thoughts and still be won over by someone or something if we have an open mind.


IMO I really find it hard to believe that anyone out there had no preconceived thoughts about this film's success/failure (no matter how small a notion) prior to seeing it unless they avoided any and all print/visual media leading up to it. They 1st announce Ben as Batman (I'm sure people had a preconceived notion about that choice), Eisenberg as Lex(same) Gadot as WW(same).


Again I don't think this film is as bad as people are making it out to be and I do plan on watching it again this week...


p.s. - Something tells me The Director's Cut that's coming to DVD may go over much better than the theatrical release..

[tdawg3782]

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I know Spiderman 3 ruined that initial trilogy and many want to forget it but I'd have to say Spiderman 1 w/Tobey(2002) is what started the ball rolling on the Comic book film explosion. Conceivably you could even say that the 1st X-men (2000) was the catalyst. Spiderman 2 and X2 are still two of my favorites.. .

I think Spiderman would be in the same boat as Batman being that they are so widely know and very popular. But I did forget about X-Men. That was a good start. Again though we are talking about a Avengers like team with X-men so there was added excitement. In my mind the standalones of Iron Man 1 & 2, Incredible Hulk, and (as was mentioned) Thor pretty much proved that Marvel could do whatever characters they wanted. Especially with a promised Avengers movie on the horizon.

[NINJAK2]

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I think Spiderman would be in the same boat as Batman being that they are so widely know and very popular. But I did forget about X-Men. That was a good start. Again though we are talking about a Avengers like team with X-men so there was added excitement. In my mind the standalones of Iron Man 1 & 2, Incredible Hulk, and (as was mentioned) Thor pretty much proved that Marvel could do whatever characters they wanted. Especially with a promised Avengers movie on the horizon.

Agreed tdawg. I never thought even an Ant-man movie could be pulled off (and bankable)but that one really surprised me with it's heart,humor, and action..Great casting and a witty,tight script.


I feel BVS suffers from the same affliction as IM2 in that it was the catalyst and carried the burden to set up this huge universe and they threw everything but the kitchen sink into it..Tony Stark struggling with his demons could have been a movie in itself if they wanted too but it was a 15 minute blip in the film(For reasons to quickly advance the Marvel Universe). That storyline extended coupled with Downey's real life struggles could have made for a really engaging/heavy film. Typically those 2nd films in Trilogies are the darkest. Off Topic- apologies

[DieHardYankee26]

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I don't see why Lex Luthor being a tech billionaire changes the character in any way. He's still rich, smart, considers himself above normal human beings (see the Lex Mansion party and his speech) and this version even keeps some of the mad scientist persona he's had in the past. We've had how many Superman movies with Lex the real-estate villain, so this change is much appreciated (for me).

Now when it comes to how Jesse Eisenberg portrayed him, then I wouldn't even argue with anyone. I liked it, and if others didn't, well, that doesn't bother me.

I didn't like it because Mark Zuckerberg isn't Lex Luthor. It was very weird to me. Not so much the occupation as how the occupation clearly influenced the character and the way he acted. Unless like you said Eisenberg is just incapable of playing anything other than Zuckerberg but I don't think that's the case. It was just another character that was wrong in a film trying to build a universe. It's not like they can go back and get it right now, and Lex is too big a character to ignore.

Also, saying it's Lex Luthor's son changes nothing to me other than the fact that he has a Jr. behind his name I guess. The Lex Luthor that fights against Superman is the one that we know, if his dad didn't fight Superman his name might as well have been Lionel Richie.

[King_B_Mack]

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Lex Jr is even worse because Lex Jr is an alternate reality character that comes from an earth where the heroes of regular DC continuity are the villains and vice versa.


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[matthewk]

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I hope I just missed a bit, but who knows. Can someone explain how:

Spoiler

Luthor knows Superman is Clark Kent? He said his name when on the helipad showing him pictures of his mom.

This movie shows why Justice League won't be as good as Avengers. No matter who writes or directs it, Superman is their weak link as far as story. He's totally unstoppable, until either a) He faces other Kryptonians or b) Someone throws a green rock at him. Every movie he's been in has had to use one of these as their way to keep him in check. It limits what you can do with him.

The other terrible character to have to write stories for is Green Lantern. The ring is only limited to the owners willpower and imagination, unless something yellow attacks him.

[Graphik]

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I hope I just missed a bit, but who knows. Can someone explain how:

Spoiler

Luthor knows Superman is Clark Kent? He said his name when on the helipad showing him pictures of his mom.

This movie shows why Justice League won't be as good as Avengers. No matter who writes or directs it, Superman is their weak link as far as story. He's totally unstoppable, until either a) He faces other Kryptonians or b) Someone throws a green rock at him. Every movie he's been in has had to use one of these as their way to keep him in check. It limits what you can do with him.

The other terrible character to have to write stories for is Green Lantern. The ring is only limited to the owners willpower and imagination, unless something yellow attacks him.

Lex seemingly knew everything about Clark Kent and Bruce Wayne. He brought them together intentionally at his party. I could be wrong but I think I seen it mentioned somewhere in this thread.

[mestevo]

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If anyone was going to figure it out it was going to be him. Look at the files he was able to get together on the other JL members.

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[Leon]

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I hope I just missed a bit, but who knows. Can someone explain how:

Spoiler

Luthor knows Superman is Clark Kent? He said his name when on the helipad showing him pictures of his mom.

This movie shows why Justice League won't be as good as Avengers. No matter who writes or directs it, Superman is their weak link as far as story. He's totally unstoppable, until either a) He faces other Kryptonians or b) Someone throws a green rock at him. Every movie he's been in has had to use one of these as their way to keep him in check. It limits what you can do with him.

The other terrible character to have to write stories for is Green Lantern. The ring is only limited to the owners willpower and imagination, unless something yellow attacks him.

Lex has been spying/observing Bruce Wayne/Batman in the prequel comics for BvS. I forget if he was doing the same to Clark/Superman.

Another way Lex could've found out

Spoiler

is when he boarded the kryptonian ship and had the AI tell him everything it knows. This is also why he knows about Darkseid.

[RockinDaMike]

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Another way is that Lex took a good look at Clark's face and was like holy **** you're Superman.

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