Game of Thrones: Season 5 (aka A Feast for Crows + A Dance with Dragons)

[N51_rob]

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^^^^^^

If you've read the books then you can speculate about a great many things based off the writings and writing style of GRRM. What the show and show runners decide to do to get us to that point are their own ideas, thoughts, castings and budgeting.

For example Robb Stark. On the show Robb is this great fan favorite character who many people (who didn't read the books grew to like and love). Robb in the books is a character who never even had a PoV chapter for him. Most of his actions and deeds were either told by someone that was there or witnessed by Cat who felt some kind of way. So while his death was upsetting, in the books he wasn't a major character and the Red Wedding was a much dreary affair that many could probably see coming.

[coogrfan]

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Prior to going to kings landing, she sold out her sister and backed Joffreys lie which led to the death of the butchers boy and dire wolf.

Again, what was she supposed to do? Call the King's son a liar? Even Ned could see that wasn't an option, and he wasn't exactly the sharpest tool in the shed.

[coogrfan]

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I feel like GoT has soured kingkilla and he's become jaded & bitter over it all lol.

I can feel the angst in his posts, it's like GoT trolled him and he took the bait.

[coogrfan]

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George RR Martin himself said that he's read some fan speculation as to the whole endgame of the series and says some fans have got it right.

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"The White Walkers overrun the Wall and kill everybody in Westeros. The end."

[ehh]

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This is old, dunno if anyone posted it, but for the diehard college basketball/UNC fans out there this name from the past will ring a bell. Had no idea he was in GOT.

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2014-06-09/game-of-thrones-giant-north-carolina-basketball-neil-fingleton-unc-photo

[fistofrage]

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Again, what was she supposed to do? Call the King's son a liar? Even Ned could see that wasn't an option, and he wasn't exactly the sharpest tool in the shed.

What she should have done is give an accurate account of what transpired. She didn't. It's hard to say how many people would have done the right thing there, but still she has blood on her hands.

What do you think Samwell would have done in that situation? My guess is he would have told the truth regardless of the consequences to him. It's also hard to say how King Robert would have reacted if the truth was known. He may have sent Joffrey to the corner or he may have ripped Ned's head off.

[jasontoddwhitt]

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He wouldn't have ripped Ned's head off. He loved Ned like a brother. Mad as hell...sure. Threatened to put his head on a pike....probably.

But he knew Joffrey wasn't fit. That's why he requested Ned help the boy rule with his dying words.

As far as Jon Snow, yeah he's dead. But it's too convenient that the witch is back at Castle Black. I think we won't see Jon until Season 7.

As for Stannis...we didn't actually see his head fall off.

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[Leon]

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^^^^^^

If you've read the books then you can speculate about a great many things based off the writings and writing style of GRRM. What the show and show runners decide to do to get us to that point are their own ideas, thoughts, castings and budgeting.

For example Robb Stark. On the show Robb is this great fan favorite character who many people (who didn't read the books grew to like and love). Robb in the books is a character who never even had a PoV chapter for him. Most of his actions and deeds were either told by someone that was there or witnessed by Cat who felt some kind of way. So while his death was upsetting, in the books he wasn't a major character and the Red Wedding was a much dreary affair that many could probably see coming.

I watch first then read later, but I'm way behind on reading. I just picked information up after watching the finale. In any case, yeah, they did that for Robb since the show isn't setup like the books and I was one of those guys who really thought he'd "show them what it's like to lose something they love." So much for that!

Considering all the changes since season 2, the book and show will just hit similar milestones, sometimes mirroring each other, most of the time finding their own way towards said milestones. As for all this Jon business BOOK

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perhaps that's why Lady Stoneheart hasn't shown up. They only want one major resurrection.

Melisandre is still red hot with magic from that Shireen sacrifice. What else can she use it on in Castle Black?

[jeremym480]

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I think you sort of make your own point in that if Jon does come back he is special. He isn't like Robb, Ned, or anyone else who thinks they have a destiny. He didn't think he had a destiny he was just being the best lord commander he can be, and if he gets brought back he might start to realize his destiny which could be the point of the whole series.

A song of ice and fire stark/targaryen, Jon snow could be both, and he could be the only one to save westeros. At the end of the day, it's a story there will be an ultimate "winner" for the story to end, there will be a hero, that's how stories work, even ones that take 6 books or 6 seasons to identify it.

I'm not worried for Jon because a) The Red Witch is there for a reason and b) the foreshadowing is too strong in this one:

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I haven't read any of the books, so I have no idea what is going to happen. However, I could see a hiatus from both Jon and The Wall in S6, so that other plots can be tied up. Then the WW'S becoming a major thing in S7.

[Candyman5]

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I want Arya's wolf to come back. Why do I have a feeling that now that she is blind that she will be able to somehow connect/warg with it.

[tdawg3782]

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I want Arya's wolf to come back. Why do I have a feeling that now that she is blind that she will be able to somehow connect/warg with it.

I was just thinking the same thing. Unless she goes all Daredevil on us. Which in a way would be kinda cool to.

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[kingkilla56]

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I feel like GoT has soured kingkilla and he's become jaded & bitter over it all lol.

I can feel the angst in his posts, it's like GoT trolled him and he took the bait.

If Jon returns then he returns, it's been a great run so far.

I dont know what any of this means but you got it bro. Just thought this show was gonna stick to it guns. The fact that no one can take that final scene/shot of dead Jon seriously is my problem with Jon Snow dying at all. I dont have a problem with Jon dying (NOR do I have a problem with him being the hero). But the Jesus story with Jon right now, nah GRRM can hold that noise. Its weird how many people are so gung ho for that to be the story as well. I thought this book series got slurped specifically because it didnt resort to this kind of tropey narrative. Odd.

[ASB37]

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I dont know what any of this means but you got it bro. Just thought this show was gonna stick to it guns. The fact that no one can take that final scene/shot of dead Jon seriously is my problem with Jon Snow dying at all. I dont have a problem with Jon dying (NOR do I have a problem with him being the hero). But the Jesus story with Jon right now, nah GRRM can hold that noise. Its weird how many people are so gung ho for that to be the story as well. I thought this book series got slurped specifically because it didnt resort to this kind of tropey narrative. Odd.

There's nothing set in stone publicly yet. Only GRRM and the producers of GOT know how this ends and who the main players will be. The narrative could very well be that Jon Snow is dead, and his story is done, and the WW come in and wipe westeros off the map. We just don't know yet. My guy tells me this isn't the case, but my guess is as good as anyones.

GOT has had the hero/destiny character failing and being killed for 5 season and 5 books. Sure they could continue that way and maybe that would be entertaining for some, but at some point someone has to challenge the WW's or it will be a pretty boring story to tell. The JS snow revival may be campy or whatever, but so is an army of frozen zombies, but if JS is "special" and if he is the method by which the end game is reached, then so bet it, and I guess him "dying" is as good a method as any to get there. I agree with you that it's not really my preferred method to get him to the end game, but I guess it'll make for some good shock value to the average viewer.

Many have speculated for years JS would be that guy. I'm fine with JS dying, if his character arc is truly over and he serves no purpose in the end game. If JS is revived it'll be for a purpose, that's really the only solace one can take in that.

[Leon]

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[fistofrage]

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I dont know what any of this means but you got it bro. Just thought this show was gonna stick to it guns. The fact that no one can take that final scene/shot of dead Jon seriously is my problem with Jon Snow dying at all. I dont have a problem with Jon dying (NOR do I have a problem with him being the hero). But the Jesus story with Jon right now, nah GRRM can hold that noise. Its weird how many people are so gung ho for that to be the story as well. I thought this book series got slurped specifically because it didnt resort to this kind of tropey narrative. Odd.

It's their story to tell, we're just watching it. However, if that was the end of Jon Snow, the scene absolutely failed to deliver, that should have been a Julius Caesar moment and it came off more like the Soap Bar Beating of Private Pile in Full Metal Jacket. It just felt more to me like they were teaching him a lesson rather than killing him.

All the time they spent with the sand snakes/dorne, Bronn and Jamies singing burlesque show, Arya swabbing the deck, harpies stabbing people and taking down the supreme unsullied fighting force with butter knives and have Jon's final scene reduced to that, Stannis's showdown battle at winterfell turn into 30 seconds of Computer generated animation, and Tyrion and Jorahs amazing escape from the Harpy Mob(which wasn't even shown) after the Neverending Story parody was a letdown.

I have no problem with the story, it's their story to tell whatever happens, happens. This season was a serious letdown from a directing/screenwriting perspective. If you build up to major events, at least give the major events the time and direction they deserve.