Han Solo um....solo film

[ehh]

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I think this article explains much better the problems I had with this movie than I could. I think it's a decent movie, but that that's not really enough. In a way it's the movie I was worried would be made when Disney bought the license.

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/the-growing-emptiness-of-the-star-wars-universe

These parts in particular:

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"Early in “Solo,” Han attempts this maneuver with a land speeder (in a faux surprise, he fails); later, he does it successfully with the Falcon, while escaping a field of space debris. In “The Force Awakens,” Rey tips the Falcon while zooming through a wrecked Star Destroyer; in “The Empire Strikes Back,” Han does it while navigating a canyon on a giant asteroid. Space flight in “Star Wars” is intrinsically exciting, but repetition is rarely transcendent. Meanwhile, as the film draws to a close, its climactic moment turns out to be a riff on the “Han shot first” controversy—an inside-baseball fan debate about a 1997 revision to the original “Star Wars,” from 1977. The franchise is trapped in a loop of self-love."

"When the universalization of “Star Wars” is complete, it will no longer be a story but an aesthetic. We’ll be able to debate which actor played Han Solo best, just as we weigh the pros and cons of different James Bonds. We’ll keep up with the new movies not because we want to find out what happens—the plot, if one exists, will be an impenetrable trellis of intersecting arclets—but because we like their vibe, their look, and their general moral attitude. Collectively, the “Avengers” and DC Comics universes address a common set of issues: terrorism, globalization, inequality, the failure of states, and the responsibilities of élites. Similarly, “Star Wars” may become an endless meditation on adolescence through which different actors precipitate, first as teen-agers, then as parents. In film after film, interchangeable young people will wrestle with the dark side before embracing hope. There will be an infinite supply of high-speed space chases and lightsabre duels. But the story will never end, and so will have ceased to be a story."

This is the state of Hollywood today. I don't know why anyone would be surprised. Marvel/DC set the precedence for endless, empty movies (while still making a boatload of money) and a majority of folks expressed concern that Disney was going to milk every last drop out of the SW cash cow. A feeling of emptiness is inevitable when you dilute a franchise.

I also disagree that Han in this movie is the exact same Han we see in Eps 4-7. He's more trusting and his young love with Emilia Clarke has him damn near a hopeless romantic. That's not the older Han.

IMO the anthology movies have to be treated differently from the main episodes. None of them will blow audiences away, though Rogue One came close for me. I see nothing wrong with movies that fill in past details. Just because you know a character's ultimate fate (Han) doesn't mean there aren't interesting stories to tell. Nearly every Marvel/DC movie, you know the main superheros aren't going to die because the show (and money train) must go on yet people love those movies. It's even more ridiculous now where certain superhereos can die in one "story" yet be alive in others. Parallel dimensions or however you want to describe it.

[Armor and Sword]

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Absolutely loved it!!!!


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[eremiomania]

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I liked it, but spent the whole movie going back too "yeah, that's not Han Solo". Loved the cameo. Wish it wouldn't have been spoiled for me. I think the box office numbers can be blamed on the fact that no one was asking for this movie.

I would have rather they made a Luke Skywalker movie set after Jedi staring Sebastian Stan.

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or you know..the Obi Wan movie everyone actually wants.

[Cheese2121]

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Just saw the film yesterday and absolutely loved it. I loved the many subtle references to the lore, like the mention of Bossk in passing conversation for example. Looking forward to seeing it again!

[mestevo]

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Bloomberg reports this is on track to be the first Star Wars to lose money.

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/a...mpression=true

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Bloomberg reports this is on track to be the first Star Wars to lose money.

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/a...mpression=true

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I imagine this would be the end of the anthology movies based on OT characters (not counting the ones in the chamber: Fett and I believe Obi-Wan).

Maybe movies like Rogue One, which center around new characters, still get made. At the very least, after this disaster, I believe we'll see Disney stick to December releases and keep things more spread out.

[JayBee74]

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The debate as to why is fascinating.

1) Star Wars overkill - this came out too close to TLJ.
2) Star Wars hate after TLJ.
3) No one cared about a Han Solo film that didn't feature Harrison Ford.

I'm sure it's a combination of all three. Many fans/reviews have mentioned the trailers not doing the movie justice. It seems like Disney gave up on this movie and didn't market and promote it as much as normal. Too bad, it's a good movie.

I'm not a Star Wars fan but was surprised about "Han Solo's" failure. Here's a fan's response to the movie's struggles at the box office:

"some SW fans are snubbing Solo b/c they're still upset over Last Jedi. If so, they're missing out & punishing a good film for something not its fault."

That pretty much lines up with your statement ("Star Wars hate after TLJ"). Given that The Last Jedi was a rousing box office success what does that mean?

[Caulfield]

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I'd like to see more time spent on scriptwriting and movies made every 3 years instead of 1 or 2. I still havent seen Solo but I'd like to in the next 2-3 weeks if its still in theatres. Regarles, I'll buy iy on dvd when it hits shelves.

[Armor and Sword]

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Really nuts.....because it is a really good and fun Star Wars movie. And blows away the dreck that was The Last Jedi. That was a huge let down after how much fun The Force Awakens was.

That movie (TLJ) was really weak.

I think Disney dropped the ball on marketing and releasing this in May vs simply waiting till December.

But what really killed it was all the Star Wars geek negativity and BS about change of director, and reshoots blah blah blah blah. I never even read all that crap.

I went to the movie with no pre conceived notions about it.

Han Solo is my favorite character in the SW universe and I thought this actor did a great job. It was a highly entertaining movie.....and I am going to see it again in the theater one more time....and no doubt will get it on Blue Ray.

Just crazy how the internet can poison a film based on rumors, conjectures and opinions when you have no idea about it.

Stupid.

[SPTO]

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Over saturation of the product PLUS a troubled shoot that required extensive reshooting with a different director doomed this movie to failure. I've heard that the script and plotting is superficial as all heck.


Now, let's just see a comic book movie go down in flames MAKE IT HAPPEN PEOPLE! We need more diversity for Hollywood blockbusters.

[lissi88]

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Pathetic movie, I wasted my time and money at the same time.

[inkcil]

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Just saw it today and thought it was great...

Good Acting
Good Origins Story
Impressive Visual Effects


I thought things got a little "muddled" in the last few minutes with all the double-crossing...but then they threw in a few nice surprises that I appreciated.

When does this movie fall on the timeline...before Episode I right?

Much better than either Episode 7 or 8, but 7 and 8 were made for the kiddies if you ask me, similar to how Episodes 1 and 2 were.

I feel like Rogue One and Solo were made for us grown-ups who were little kids when the original trilogy was in theaters.

[dbeth]

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My understanding is that it is after Episode 3 and a bit before Rogue One.

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[inkcil]

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My understanding is that it is after Episode 3 and a bit before Rogue One.

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So then if that's the case, then it's not (blank) talking to Qui'ra at the end of the movie. Who is that? Interesting...

[LowerWolf]

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So then if that's the case, then it's not (blank) talking to Qui'ra at the end of the movie. Who is that? Interesting...

It is.

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In Star Wars Rebels (which is canon) it's revealed he survived being cut in two by Obi-Wan.