Game of Thrones: Season 6

[DamnYanks2]

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Serious question, what in the hell was Bran doing walking through an army of whitewalkers, who does that man? I don't care if they are standing still, common sense says NO.

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[fistofrage]

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I really liked the foundation of Game of Thrones that we say in the first 2 or 3 seasons. It was a political chess game with many players vying for the iron throne. You knew the white walkers and winter was coming but fending them off(or not) was going to be the end game for whomever claimed that throne.

It's still there at the back, but the Iron Throne is basically worthless right now. There is really no advantage to having the throne. The capital Kings landing isn't even safe for the king. Even the grandest of armies can't take out peasant uprisings whether it be the faith militant or sons of the harpy. And it seems way to easy for people to rise to power, without playing the game.

I just hope this doesn't all go off the rails, I think we've figured out the endgame with the dragons coming in blazing to save the day. Most likely Jon Snow, Daenyerys and the imp forming a grand dragon alliance.

The story is really no longer about the Iron Throne, maybe it never was, but I really liked the interactions better when it was about vying for the throne from a political sense.

[The JareBear]

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Wowwwwwwwwww man

Damnnnnnnnnnnn

I've basically no-lifed this show the last few days

Season 4 was awesome. Worthy follow up to the masterpiece that was season 3

Season 5 seemed to be a bit slower to me........and then the last three episodes happened. Wow. The last 3 episodes of S5 are pure fire. Savage. Magical. So well done.

When Theon and Sansa hold hands and jump together, Arya finally getting to kick some *** then paying the price for it, the dragon rescue, the white walker attack, actually making me feel for Cersei who I hate more than anyone in the show but The Walk was just brutal. Jon Snow, of course, it's too bad that part was spoiled for me when it happened. Internet went crazy after the finale, was impossible to avoid.

Starting S6 now, should be caught up today

[CMH]

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I tried to tell people I know that Game of Thrones is a show about stopping the White Walkers (and therefore the fantasy elements associated with such a thing) masquerading as a political drama about kings.

I've seen online and heard from a few people I know that are disappointed with the episode because I think they see that the show is actually fantasy. One person told me, "all that Bran stuff is for the fantasy people. Im not interested in that."

Its not as if I didn't tell him that he may not like what the core show is about when I first introduced it to him six years ago.

I get it though. The Show performed a pretty swift shift.

This isn't directed at fistofrage. His post only triggered my thoughts on what has happened. His sentiment is being shared by many.

I, on the other hand, am excited for this. It is essentially everything I have waited for with this series.

[kingkilla56]

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The way time works in all this is pretty ****ed. Pretty sure he said the past cannot be altered, the ink is dry. If that was true, Bran couldn't have altered Hodor. The only way that works is if the future is already set as well, which I guess very well may be, although that kind of thing ****s all over storytelling IMO. It would explain why no warnings not to be touched, though.

I agree with you 100% but I resign myself to the "I just won't think about it too hard" camp. There is no making sense of time paradoxes when presented as GoT did last night.

But an instruction manual would have been nice. Seems like Bran has really learned nothing in all that time with Old Man Oaktree there.

[fistofrage]

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I tried to tell people I know that Game of Thrones is a show about stopping the White Walkers (and therefore the fantasy elements associated with such a thing) masquerading as a political drama about kings.

I've seen online and heard from a few people I know that are disappointed with the episode because I think they see that the show is actually fantasy. One person told me, "all that Bran stuff is for the fantasy people. Im not interested in that."

Its not as if I didn't tell him that he may not like what the core show is about when I first introduced it to him six years ago.

I get it though. The Show performed a pretty swift shift.

This isn't directed at fistofrage. His post only triggered my thoughts on what has happened. His sentiment is being shared by many.

I, on the other hand, am excited for this. It is essentially everything I have waited for with this series.

Don't get me wrong, I love the show. I just thought the dialogue was a little better early on and the politics of the Iron throne really intrigued me. I just hope it doesn't become a shambled mess like Lost did in the end. That being said it's Martin's and HBO's story to tell, not my story so I'll just kick back and watch it play out.

[fistofrage]

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I agree with you 100% but I resign myself to the "I just won't think about it too hard" camp. There is no making sense of time paradoxes when presented as GoT did last night.

But an instruction manual would have been nice. Seems like Bran has really learned nothing in all that time with Old Man Oaktree there.

Yeah, rule #1 when you are dream tree walking around, do not let the white walkers touch you or else they can get past that giant ice wall you built 8,000 years ago.

[The JareBear]

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I'm completely caught up now

There's one thing I haven't figured out, I think it was explained during an episode in S5 where I was messing around on my iPad (probably posting on OS) and not paying attention.

These religious fanatics, how did they all of sudden rise up and get the authority to throw queens in cells and basically overrule the Kings power and forces? I think I must have missed something there

And yeah it seems like Bran didn't learn much considering at the beginning he was told he would learn "to fly."

I agree with a post earlier on here that right now the iron throne really doesn't seem to mean anything at all

[souljahbill]

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I'm completely caught up now

There's one thing I haven't figured out, I think it was explained during an episode in S5 where I was messing around on my iPad (probably posting on OS) and not paying attention.

These religious fanatics, how did they all of sudden rise up and get the authority to throw queens in cells and basically overrule the Kings power and forces? I think I must have missed something there

And yeah it seems like Bran didn't learn much considering at the beginning he was told he would learn "to fly."

I agree with a post earlier on here that right now the iron throne really doesn't seem to mean anything at all

Cersei gave them the power and the tip to get Margery's gay brother. Then they got Margery for covering it up. Then Cersei's cousin (whose now a zealot) tipped off the high sparrow that Cersei had dirt.

[CMH]

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Cersei gave them power and provided them the authority - and I believe the initial resources - to build up a militant group. She desired this to strengthen her position by uniting the crown with the faith.

It obviously backfires on her.

[tdawg3782]

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I tried to tell people I know that Game of Thrones is a show about stopping the White Walkers (and therefore the fantasy elements associated with such a thing) masquerading as a political drama about kings.

I've seen online and heard from a few people I know that are disappointed with the episode because I think they see that the show is actually fantasy. One person told me, "all that Bran stuff is for the fantasy people. Im not interested in that."

Its not as if I didn't tell him that he may not like what the core show is about when I first introduced it to him six years ago.

I get it though. The Show performed a pretty swift shift.

This isn't directed at fistofrage. His post only triggered my thoughts on what has happened. His sentiment is being shared by many.

I, on the other hand, am excited for this. It is essentially everything I have waited for with this series.

One thing that throes people is the TV show is called Game of Thrones but that was just the title of the first book. The series is called A Song of Ice and Fire. With the latter sounding much more like fantasy. Anyways my point was that while the political part is a intriguing part in the grand scheme of things it will mean very little. But I've had friends who were the same and started tripping when the fantasy stuff started.

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[tdawg3782]

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I agree with you 100% but I resign myself to the "I just won't think about it too hard" camp. There is no making sense of time paradoxes when presented as GoT did last night.

But an instruction manual would have been nice. Seems like Bran has really learned nothing in all that time with Old Man Oaktree there.

I've been watching a lot of The Flash lately so I've brushed up on my time travel knowledge because that **** confuses me like no other. Anyways what we saw in GoT is what I believe is called a closed time loop. This means that you can't change anything in the past. What's happened has happened but some of the stuff that has happened might have been caused by someone from the future.

So for the Hodar situation all that stuff actually happened to him in the past but it was caused by future Bran warging into him in the vision and adult Hodar at the same time. This is what allowed past Hodar to hear Meera say hold the door and that got etched in his brain. This essential finished the loop. Hope that made sense.

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[k_mac]

Game of Thrones: Season 6

I've been watching a lot of The Flash lately so I've brushed up on my time travel knowledge because that **** confuses me like no other. Anyways what we saw in GoT is what I believe is called a closed time loop. This means that you can't change anything in the past. What's happened has happened but some of the stuff that has happened might have been caused by someone from the future.

So for the Hodar situation all that stuff actually happened to him in the past but it was caused by future Bran warging into him in the vision and adult Hodar at the same time. This is what allowed past Hodar to hear Meera say hold the door and that got etched in his brain. This essential finished the loop. Hope that made sense.

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**** I was so caught up in the moment that I didn't even realize that Bran warged into Hodor while he was traveling back in time (warging inception basically).

That clears up a lot on my end actually. It makes sense that Bran warging into someone that is present in both the "real" world and his time travels would do some serious damage.

Idk if this needs a spoiler but I'll play it safe because it's a theory

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This line of thinking also dispels the Bran/Mad King rumors that I've seen so much of around the Internet. For Hodor to essentially get his brain fried, he was present in both instances of Bran's warging. We can assume that is the reason Hodor's younger version heard Meera say "hold the door." For the Mad King to say "burn them all, burn them all" before getting stabbed he would have to be with present Bran and that's not possible.. I see no correlation between Bran causing the Mad King to truly be mad.

[tdawg3782]

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**** I was so caught up in the moment that I didn't even realize that Bran warged into Hodor while he was traveling back in time (warging inception basically).

That clears up a lot on my end actually. It makes sense that Bran warging into someone that is present in both the "real" world and his time travels would do some serious damage.

Idk if this needs a spoiler but I'll play it safe because it's a theory

Spoiler

This line of thinking also dispels the Bran/Mad King rumors that I've seen so much of around the Internet. For Hodor to essentially get his brain fried, he was present in both instances of Bran's warging. We can assume that is the reason Hodor's younger version heard Meera say "hold the door." For the Mad King to say "burn them all, burn them all" before getting stabbed he would have to be with present Bran and that's not possible.. I see no correlation between Bran causing the Mad King to truly be mad.

I agree with your spoiler but I did have another thought about that and something else too...

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I don't think he has to warg both past and present every time. That essentially short circuits the other persons brain. I'm not even sure if he can warg a past person at all. Maybe that was due to the paradox he created by being with adult Hodar. But we did see that Eddard heard or sensed him during the Tower of Joy flashback. So maybe when he refines his ability more he can influence things. So he could have been telling the Mad King to "Burn them All." But I doubt it.

How about how the Direwolves came about. Talk about a coincidence where they were traveling and just happen to come upon 6 abandoned Dierwolve cubs. 4 boys and 2 girls for each of the Stark kids. Maybe he some how helped with that.

With all that being said his ability doesn't really help much since he would just be going back to be a part of what has already happened since it's the closed time loop thing. I bet we don't see to much more of him ****ing around with it. The Hodar thing was cool and a great story telling arch but it kind of blew it's wad already. Unless we get a R+L=J conformation from it.

[The JareBear]

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Man these theories are awesome. I've had a few hours to digest all seasons I just plowed through and now that I can read this forum and other sites I'm really impressed by the ideas/theories/possibilities people are discussing.

I never would have thought about any of these things or made these possible connections, kudos to you guys.

I'm not sure where I stand yet, definitely am taking a "wait and see" approach with Bran's recent "discovery"