Big Brother 20

[Majingir]

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Kaycee's juror answers were so vague. All her answers were so similar.

I would have been happy with either of them winning but I was sure Tyler sealed it with his final thoughts.

I was worried about votes when you see the jury nodding to what Kaycee was saying. Not that she wasn't a good player. She had best 2nd half of a season in history. Most overall comp wins of the season and most vetos, but Tyler had best strategic and more entertaining game.

When Tyler was up 4-1, I thought for sure he won. Then...Kaycee,Kaycee,Kaycee,Kaycee. Haleigh/Fessy voted differently? Though from her speech, I guess Haleigh was planning on voting Kaycee and switched, proving FOUTTE were all planning on voting Kaycee as Scottie had wanted(he wanted the alliance deciding who won). SAM VOTED KAYCEE?! That really determined everything.

If not Tyler, I'm happy it's Kaycee, but I still think it should've been Tyler.



Just heard jury reasoning for their vote...that makes me mad now. Fessy voted Kaycee because of respect for beating him in that veto(which was geared towards the football players). Sam voted her because she needed the money more(even if it's womens pro football, doesn't Kaycee still make decent money? More than a lifeguard I'd imagine?). Rockstar did because of a "feeling". Bayleigh did basically because Tyler had blood on his hands.

At this point, might as well let jury go home and watch season. At least they'd be properly educated. Unlike in BB3(where this cost the deserving person), nowadays people could watch live feeds and find out what happened on the internet, so it'd be better for the jury.

[Majingir]

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Just more to add on:

This finale proved why BB NEEDS a longer finale and better scheduling.

How is that fair that the jury has to ask generic questions(Sam even asked Tyler a generic question,quickly adding in "Kaycee" to the end since the question had "the person sitting next to you") and the F2 had 30-45 seconds to answer each one!?

This is the most important part of the season, it's what everything is leading up to, and you're giving people maybe 3-4 minutes total to explain 3 months worth of gameplay?

NEED to go back to the old format. Let jury question the finalists in the jury roundtable pre-taped segment so they can have a full on discussion, each member asking their original question, and F2 explaining in full.

Swaggy/Bayleigh stuff was expected and stupid. We didn't even get to hear from anyone else in jury.

Will provided the GIF of the season. Bayleigh is like "some of the best big brother players are evil" and camera goes to a perfect shot of Will breaking the fourth wall.

[p_rushing]

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Just more to add on:

This finale proved why BB NEEDS a longer finale and better scheduling.

How is that fair that the jury has to ask generic questions(Sam even asked Tyler a generic question,quickly adding in "Kaycee" to the end since the question had "the person sitting next to you") and the F2 had 30-45 seconds to answer each one!?

This is the most important part of the season, it's what everything is leading up to, and you're giving people maybe 3-4 minutes total to explain 3 months worth of gameplay?

NEED to go back to the old format. Let jury question the finalists in the jury roundtable pre-taped segment so they can have a full on discussion, each member asking their original question, and F2 explaining in full.

Swaggy/Bayleigh stuff was expected and stupid. We didn't even get to hear from anyone else in jury.

Will provided the GIF of the season. Bayleigh is like "some of the best big brother players are evil" and camera goes to a perfect shot of Will breaking the fourth wall.

Further details that most probably missed ... the recruits basically all voted for Kaycee. They were the ones who didn't know how to play the game and all voted for who they liked best, not who was the best game player.

L6 was basically all applicants, Angela got cut previously so she was somewhat prepared.

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[jake44np]

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I was worried about votes when you see the jury nodding to what Kaycee was saying. Not that she wasn't a good player. She had best 2nd half of a season in history. Most overall comp wins of the season and most vetos, but Tyler had best strategic and more entertaining game.

When Tyler was up 4-1, I thought for sure he won. Then...Kaycee,Kaycee,Kaycee,Kaycee. Haleigh/Fessy voted differently? Though from her speech, I guess Haleigh was planning on voting Kaycee and switched, proving FOUTTE were all planning on voting Kaycee as Scottie had wanted(he wanted the alliance deciding who won). SAM VOTED KAYCEE?! That really determined everything.

If not Tyler, I'm happy it's Kaycee, but I still think it should've been Tyler.



Just heard jury reasoning for their vote...that makes me mad now. Fessy voted Kaycee because of respect for beating him in that veto(which was geared towards the football players). Sam voted her because she needed the money more(even if it's womens pro football, doesn't Kaycee still make decent money? More than a lifeguard I'd imagine?). Rockstar did because of a "feeling". Bayleigh did basically because Tyler had blood on his hands.

At this point, might as well let jury go home and watch season. At least they'd be properly educated. Unlike in BB3(where this cost the deserving person), nowadays people could watch live feeds and find out what happened on the internet, so it'd be better for the jury.

I am quite sure Tyler makes way more as a life guard then KC does as a "Pro" football player.
The football league KC plays in cost $700 per player to play for insurance reasons and for the equipment.
They play in small high school stadiums and do not get paid. Al though their "Super Bowl" champ team she was on did get paid $100 per player for winning.
As for Tyler. I full time lifeguard in the Outer Banks makes about $12 per hour starting pay.
I believe he is actually a lead which means he makes about $14 or $15 per hour.

So KC does probably need the money more, pretty sure Tyler is from a pretty rich family too.

[Majingir]

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Further details that most probably missed ... the recruits basically all voted for Kaycee. They were the ones who didn't know how to play the game and all voted for who they liked best, not who was the best game player.

L6 was basically all applicants, Angela got cut previously so she was somewhat prepared.

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Sad part, would JC have won if he faced Tyler? Bayleigh/Rockstar would've voted him. Sam said she'd vote JC over Tyler. Tyler does have L6s vote, but do Haleigh/Fessy vote Tyler over JC?


Bayleigh,Rockstar,Sam voted Kaycee, and Kaitlyn/Rachel said they would have voted Kaycee as well. Even Haleigh was originally planning on voting Kaycee. So that's 6 of the 7 women pre-jury wanting a woman to win. Reminds me of celeb BB. Oddly enough, the 3 guys pre-jury said Tyler, so 5 of the 7 guys voted out wanted Tyler to win.

Scottie claims he voted Kaycee because she won the final HOH comp. Maybe he's telling the truth, but based on how rest of his alliance voted and what he said around the time he was evicted, I think he's lying about his reasoning.

Weird BB fact. The past 3 seasons,had the jury started at 9 people left instead of 11, the runner up would have won each season (Nicole beat Paul 5-4, getting the first 2 jurors votes, Josh beat Paul 5-4 getting the first 2 jurors votes, Kaycee beat Tyler 5-4 getting first 2 jurors votes). Perhaps BB just needs a smaller jury. One that has been in the game longer.

[SuperBowlNachos]

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The best player in the WNBA makes $113,500 a year. "Pro" doesn't mean paid well.

I would bet we see Tyler on Survivor soon. Or Tyler/Angela if they are still together on the Amazing Race.

I'm just happy JC didn't win. He had one comp win, and otherwise was not competitive in any of them. He was in Fessy's ear controlling who might have been the dumbest player in the game, woopdeedoo. I think Sam might have voted Tyler up until she learned that their final 2 deal never really existed. If they had more time I think Tyler could have explained that it was impossible to say no to people asking proposing final 2 deals to him.

This was an epic fail of a finale by CBS. We wasted a full hour on Sunday to see stuff that was already shown on TV. Then we rush through everything that needed to be done. It didn't help that Swaggy had to make it about himself despite being an irrelevant player this season. They need to do parts 1 and 2 of the comps on Sunday. Then have the final at the beginning of the show on Wednesday. Then you have an hour to do everything else and you don't need to rush it.

[Majingir]

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This was an epic fail of a finale by CBS. We wasted a full hour on Sunday to see stuff that was already shown on TV. Then we rush through everything that needed to be done. It didn't help that Swaggy had to make it about himself despite being an irrelevant player this season. They need to do parts 1 and 2 of the comps on Sunday. Then have the final at the beginning of the show on Wednesday. Then you have an hour to do everything else and you don't need to rush it.

SuperBowlNachos, you are not allowed to talk about production

Really though, that was a horrible job by production with the episode. Swaggy got more time to go over his 3 week relationship with Bayleigh than Tyler/KC did to answer a single question about their 3 month long game. Hopefully BB has a complete overhaul on the way things are done next year.

Speaking of Swaggy/Bayleigh, not that anyone should be surprised, but looks like those Swaggy-Bayleigh rumors are true (about being pregnant). For Bayleigh to say yes, and her family to love Swaggy despite knowing all this happened a week or two into the game, and giving him their blessings. it just seems all kinds of messed up.

And I definitely see Tyler/Angela on Amazing Race.

[JayhawkerStL]

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Pretty much agree with most of the takes here. I'm not too bothered by Kaycee getting it, because jury management is a skill and part of the game. Tyler was easily the better player, except that jury didn't see it. I'll admit the jury was more bitter than I assumed.

I hope Tyler grttingthe extremely $25K opens a few eyes on the jury. I suspect the vote wasn't close. How did Brett get in the top 3? IO mean, once Winston was gone, I liked his a lot mores the bro stuff was dumb and cringe. I hated Winston, so it was nice to see Brett come off better. But Top 3?

But in the end, my wife and I agreed that this was probably our favorite season, and have watched since the first. They need some changes, but it was still a good watch overall.

The only show with a worst end of season and finale set-up is Ink Master. As much as I enjoy the season of Ink Master, the finale is a compete waste of time. the judges suck, the final challenge sucks, and the entire production is stilted and awkward.

Survivor mostly nails it, but I would give them another half hour, at least, for the reunion.

[Majingir]

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Survivor mostly nails it, but I would give them another half hour, at least, for the reunion.

Survivor finales are fine. 2 hours for the finale, and the jury Q&A with finalists are good too because it can go on forever and be about anything. Only negative is reunion shows past few years have sucked because they barely acknowledge the cast. And in finales, they cutaway from the show before commercial break to have a live segment with Jeff just wasting time, and asking a camera shy little kid about Survivor.

More I think about finale, I don't know if jury was bitter. They didn't vote against Tyler, they voted for who they thought was the best player. Only problem, they were unaware/uneducated about what went on in the game, which led to the wrong choice. Which goes along with the theme of the season if you think about it. And had Haleigh gotten more time(such as a night if they pre-recorded jury roundtable Q&A), she would've gotten Fessy to flip.

[l3ulvl]

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Survivor finales are fine. 2 hours for the finale, and the jury Q&A with finalists are good too because it can go on forever and be about anything. Only negative is reunion shows past few years have sucked because they barely acknowledge the cast. And in finales, they cutaway from the show before commercial break to have a live segment with Jeff just wasting time, and asking a camera shy little kid about Survivor.

I hate that so much lol, the whole "Jeff interviewing random audience members for no reason" segment drives me crazy

These shows waste so much time on irrelevant nonsense and then when things go live they have to tell the actual finalists with their actual game on the line to speed things up.

"Tyler, with $500K on the line, give us your final speech, wait, no, let's cut to some dude who calls himself Swaggy for some reason and was inconsequential to the season so he can propose to his showmance of 23 days...." "... ok Tyler, you now have 45 seconds"

[jake44np]

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I hate that so much lol, the whole "Jeff interviewing random audience members for no reason" segment drives me crazy

These shows waste so much time on irrelevant nonsense and then when things go live they have to tell the actual finalists with their actual game on the line to speed things up.

"Tyler, with $500K on the line, give us your final speech, wait, no, let's cut to some dude who calls himself Swaggy for some reason and was inconsequential to the season so he can propose to his showmance of 23 days...." "... ok Tyler, you now have 45 seconds"

I totally agree! I didn't need to see the swaggy man so much last night. He was not a very big part of the season.

So I am not too disappointed that KC won.
For me Tyler ran the whole house the whole season and should have won!
With that being said, he answers to the jury where just horrible.
He kept repeating himself and did come off as very smart.
I heard a rumor that KC and Tyler have an agreement to split the money.
They will not show that on BB because they hate when players do it.

[Majingir]

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I totally agree! I didn't need to see the swaggy man so much last night. He was not a very big part of the season.

So I am not too disappointed that KC won.
For me Tyler ran the whole house the whole season and should have won!
With that being said, he answers to the jury where just horrible.
He kept repeating himself and did come off as very smart.
I heard a rumor that KC and Tyler have an agreement to split the money.
They will not show that on BB because they hate when players do it.

I don't think players are allowed to split money/talk about that in the house. They can take HGs on trips/pay for dinner and that type of stuff though.

[jake44np]

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I don't think players are allowed to split money/talk about that in the house. They can take HGs on trips/pay for dinner and that type of stuff though.

Yeah there is no legal way they can keep her from giving Tyler half her money if she wants to.
There were a couple seasons early on in which players talked about splitting money if they made the finals. The fans and shows producers thought it ruined the game so they wont let them talk about it or show them talk about it.
But it goes on for sure.
Like I said in months for now after she has her money she can do what she wants with it.
They would each get $287,000 if they split all their money.

[Majingir]

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Yeah there is no legal way they can keep her from giving Tyler half her money if she wants to.
There were a couple seasons early on in which players talked about splitting money if they made the finals. The fans and shows producers thought it ruined the game so they wont let them talk about it or show them talk about it.
But it goes on for sure.
Like I said in months for now after she has her money she can do what she wants with it.
They would each get $287,000 if they split all their money.

Maybe there is a legal way? I remember on bb8 there was a whole thing about Evel giving money to Dani and BB made it an issue. He was simply giving his estranged daughter some of his prize winnings, but because she was a houseguest too, it changed things.

Nicole and James had a deal where they'd split money. BB got mad and forced them to tell the entire house and live feed people that they weren't going to do that.

But I'm not sure how they'd stop people. Once the money is in your account, how do they know what you do with it?

Could definitely see her giving him some, and Tyler giving Angela some too. Maybe even get L6 season tickets to the football games. She plays in San Diego and Tyler /Angela I think live in California? Not sure how far though.

[hardcor2]

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Maybe there is a legal way? I remember on bb8 there was a whole thing about Evel giving money to Dani and BB made it an issue. He was simply giving his estranged daughter some of his prize winnings, but because she was a houseguest too, it changed things.

Nicole and James had a deal where they'd split money. BB got mad and forced them to tell the entire house and live feed people that they weren't going to do that.

But I'm not sure how they'd stop people. Once the money is in your account, how do they know what you do with it?

Could definitely see her giving him some, and Tyler giving Angela some too. Maybe even get L6 season tickets to the football games. She plays in San Diego and Tyler /Angela I think live in California? Not sure how far though.

Tyler/Angela live in Hilton Head, South Carolina.