Better Call Saul Season 4 (8-6-18)

[JayBee74]

Re: Better Call Saul Season 4 (8-6-18)

Obviously after the breakup it is just a formality for the most part, but Kim & Jimmy are much colder to each other than during the breakup scene. It feels like something had to happen (some sort of argument most likely) that caused Kim to lose her respect for Jimmy (she tells Jesse that Saul "was good when I knew him"). It makes sense how Jimmy would be bitter towards Kim since he didn't want to break up, but it feels like something has changed with Kim as she said in the breakup scene that she still loved Jimmy but that they were bad for each other...not that she despised him or anything like that.
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The something that happened was at their divorce signing. Jimmy tells Kim he thinks she'll regret not taking her share of the Sandpiper money because it could have bought her a "feces"-load of swampland. The immediate expression on her face emoted being awoke to what Jimmy had become.

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[CBoller1331]

Re: Better Call Saul Season 4 (8-6-18)

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The something that happened was at their divorce signing. Jimmy tells Kim he thinks she'll regret not taking her share of the Sandpiper money because it could have bought her a "feces"-load of swampland. The immediate expression on her face emoted being awoke to what Jimmy had become.

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Ah. I must not have noticed her reaction. I also think Jimmy's "have a nice life" comment obviously rubbed her the wrong way.

I still feel like from Jimmy's perspective there must have been something esle that made him turn on Kim. She was always the one person he treated with respect. It seems a little out of character to completely turn on her and be so rude to her. Maybe that "something else" is just that he is hurt by the breakup and that he obviously doesnt deal with his personal issues very well and just buries his feelings. But it wouldn't be completely out of character for him to hatch up one more scheme to try to win Kim back and then she turns him down (possibly much harsher than the initial breakup)

One last interesting note is the timeline. On the phone call with Kim, Gene mentions how he cant believe it's been 6 years, which would put the divorce still a few years before Breaking Bad (not that interesting). But Jesse showing up at Saul's office a few years before the desert scene is a little interesting. He was the one who knew that Saul was the type of lawyer they needed once Badger got arrested, so it makes sense for him to have some level of contact with him before recommending him

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[pietasterp]

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With regard to the timeline/characters in the scenes from the penultimate episode:

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Pinkman meeting Kim (as she's on her way out of Saul's office fresh from signing the divorce papers) is pre-"Breaking Bad", but the guy that needs an attorney (and gets called into the office right after Kim walks out) - Emilio Koyama - is Pinkman's meth cooking partner in the first episode of 'Breaking Bad' and the guy whose lab is being raided as Pinkman scrambles out the back (when Walter White sees & recognizes him for the first time in the series). As you may recall, he ends up being turned into liquid goo and flushed down the toilet at Pinkman's house...

[lowpaiddonkey10]

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The show runners have shown to be very clever in getting the timelines to synch up especially the last half of season 6. I just found the previous seasons to be much more interesting and entertaining than the last. It's like the comedian who wants to show everyone he's the smartest in the room. No just be funny.

[JayBee74]

Re: Better Call Saul Season 4 (8-6-18)

**Just be excellent... And they have been.**

EASILY my favorite season. Having said that the final episode will weigh heavily.

EDIT: **Just my opinion.

[NYJets]

Re: Better Call Saul Season 4 (8-6-18)

I’ve liked it all. It’s a unique final season in that they could have ended it a few episodes ago when the prequel part ended and it would have gone down as a fantastic series. But I’m still very invested in this “epilogue” part too


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[JayBee74]

Re: Better Call Saul Season 4 (8-6-18)

Quite frankly, I wasn't crazy about the finale. Considering the brilliant writing that was present in virtually every episode of the series they couldn't do better?

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I understand what went down. Jimmy tells the court that he lied about Kim's involvement in Howard's murder even though a few days before she had already confessed in graphic detail. By adding more decades to his sentence I suppose there was no motivation to press criminal charges against Kim, but how would that help her against a lawsuit from Howard's family? Would they have criminally charged her anyway? She declined Sandpiper money and came clean about Howard.

I was hoping for something better to happen but it never did.

[lowpaiddonkey10]

Re: Better Call Saul Season 4 (8-6-18)

I'll watch later today. So we got an unsatisfying ending? Never a doubt in my mind.

[lowpaiddonkey10]

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I didn't want or expect a happy Hollywood ending but I did expect a realistic one.

[JayBee74]

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I didn't mind Jimmy

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falling on his sword for Kim but the full mea culpa might have been too much. I thought they could have done "better" not necessarily "happier". And then there's the math problem; What did the additional 78.5 years actually buy Kim?

[lowpaiddonkey10]

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I didn't mind Jimmy

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falling on his sword for Kim but the full mea culpa might have been too much. I thought they could have done "better" not necessarily "happier". And then there's the math problem; What did the additional 78.5 years actually buy Kim?

I thought the first 5 seasons were every bit as good as Breaking Bad. I thought this last season especially the last half was a major letdown. But that is my opinion.

[CBoller1331]

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Yeah I didnt 'love' the finale, but I 'liked' it and I think I appreciate some of the dots they connected. It was a little unexpected. I'll give some more detailed thoughts when I get home

Still have a few questions....I think season 6 will be a good rewatch. I'm sure there are some minor details I forgot about and some foreshadowing that I missed.

Definitely going to rewatch Breaking Bad now as well

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[Picci]

Re: Better Call Saul Season 4 (8-6-18)

Put me in the camp of being "ok" with it, compared to loving the ending. However, the way I interpreted it was;

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The "Going back in time", references with Mike and Walt. How the 2 of them questioned why not go back to when it all started? And Walt, saying "You've always been like that"?

And, when Jimmy delivering groceries for Chuck and returning a book too from H.G. Wells and the look Chuck gave Jimmy when he picked up the book.

And the look he had when learned that Kim bared her soul.

So he came to a cleansing moment and wanted to share it with Kim. These past references seems to be playing in his head and shown for a reason. I interpreted it as Jimmy accepting his fate and bearing the responsibilities of his actions. Not what I'm loving (adding in all those years) but its what I'm leaning on.

[jeremym480]

Re: Better Call Saul Season 4 (8-6-18)

Put me in the camp of being "ok" with it, compared to loving the ending. However, the way I interpreted it was;

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The "Going back in time", references with Mike and Walt. How the 2 of them questioned why not go back to when it all started? And Walt, saying "You've always been like that"?

And, when Jimmy delivering groceries for Chuck and returning a book too from H.G. Wells and the look Chuck gave Jimmy when he picked up the book.

And the look he had when learned that Kim bared her soul.

So he came to a cleansing moment and wanted to share it with Kim. These past references seems to be playing in his head and shown for a reason. I interpreted it as Jimmy accepting his fate and bearing the responsibilities of his actions. Not what I'm loving (adding in all those years) but its what I'm leaning on.

I interpreted it as:

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In the end, Saul was a good man

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Or at least tried to be for Kim. The ending was still kind of dumb to me without knowing if Kim benefited from it in any way but I guess you can assume that she did since she went to visit him.

[CBoller1331]

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I agree with most of the sentiments here. I didn't dislike the finale, it just wasn't exactly what I was expecting. Like a couple other episodes it has grown on me as I've had a chance to reflect on it a bit

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I think like most I was hoping for one more Slippin' Jimmy-esque scam in the finale, and that is what we got...it just wasn't the scam we thought it would be.

I like the way they framed the episode with the 3 flashbacks. They all revealed a little bit about each of the characters involved as well as sort of foreshadowing Jimmy eventually, finally owning up to his mistakes. This showed how Jimmy obviously did have regrets, but was almost ashamed to admit them even when there were no consequences. I think Mike and Walt's response to his time-machine question revealed a lot about their motivations. And comparing them with Jimmy's surface level answer revealed a lot about how he has been using the Saul persona to shield himself from the guilt he feels about Chuck, Howard, Kim and the crimes he committed with Walt.

I also liked how in typical Saul Goodman fashion, he hatched a perfect plan to bargain to get his best deal, and then when he found out that Kim had already come forward, quickly change course and come up with another perfect plan to get Kim to come to his hearing, so that she could hear him finally say the things he should have said back when Chuck died. He ended up being right that "he only needs to convince one [person]" that his story was true it's just that the one person was Kim not a juror, which is why he fessed up to things that were completely unrelated to the charges against him.

It's pretty ironic that he likely could have gotten a better deal if he hadn't called Kim at her work in Florida, as she likely wouldn't have been motivated to come forward if he hadn't reached out to her, making his Howard "sweetener" actually a rather valuable piece of information. He just couldn't help himself and it came back to bite him (in some sense).

It didn't go out with a bang the same way that Breaking Bad did, but it makes sense that it didn't. The cartel storyline was complete and there wasn't really anyone left from that world to be a threat to Saul. I think they did a fine job bringing closure to the characters and the story in a way that made sense.

EDIT: This is a pretty good summary of the episode. I don't think I loved the episode as much as this guy did, but most of the positives he mentions are the things I really enjoyed