Avengers: End Game

[DieHardYankee26]

Re: Avengers: End Game

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I hadn’t watched meant of the trailers so I don’t know if this was expected the whole time but when they killed present day Thanos like 10 minutes in, I was like “Was I wrong about what this movie is about?”

I feel stupid in retrospect because I knew time travel was coming but just didn’t realize that it would mean fighting a past version of Thanos

Edit: Hope I didn’t just spoil anything. I’m awake way before I should be and was too tired to remember to close the spoiler tags lol
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You just made Blzer's list.

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They didn't show or hint at it, I figured Captain Marvel had to have a "make quick work of Thanos" scene but I guess they threw a loop makihg it so early. When I say spoiler I'm thinking Usual Suspects/Primal Fear I may as well not watch this if I know the twist. It's definitely interesting to see the different ways people take in movies.

What did surprise me was I thought they would at least leave the people who were killed in non-snap related ways dead. Instead, they brought back Gamora and Loki is somewhere with the Tesseract in an alternate universe. I fully expect Nick Fury to show up in Black Widow's movie with a Pym Particle like "wanna go back to Universe A? The fans miss you."

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Anti-spoiler culture is way out of hand and borderline childish.

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Oh my.

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I think my biggest gripe is that every time something new comes out a thread evolves into a discussion about spoilers instead of the movie or show. I also hate that I come in here to discuss this thing and have to click 5000 spoiler tags just to keep up. If someone is in this thread and hasn't seen this movie and is worried about spoilers please please please speak up so I can respond accordingly.

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As for the spoiler discussion:

I do think it's out of hand in some regards, but I've been on the other side of things and had something spoiled for me that kept me from seeing a movie. I never even watched Logan because someone dropped the ending 6 hours after the movie hit theaters.

I think "fake spoilers" are just as annoying as actual big time spoilers... stop being that guy if it's you.

Bottom line: We don't all consume things the same way. It could be the ride to get to the conclusion, the conclusion itself, or all of the above that people care about. If I know that someone does or doesn't die in a movie then I'm definitely not consuming it the same way. That's like going back and watching 24 knowing Jack Bauer is ****ing invincible basically. You won't enjoy it in 2019 like you could in 2001. Hell I had a roommate in the Navy that would start a new show, leave and get lunch, and come back three episodes later and sit down and watch like he didn't just miss a lot. We aren't all wired the same.

I respect the weekend silence for a new movie, but with everything else the gloves are off unless I know for sure someone hasn't seen it or cares. Game of Thrones Twitter is wild as the show is airing live.. lol.

[hardcor2]

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I'm good with Steve returning the stuff in their form, those were just questions where I was like: "Well, I guess their rationale is that if they don't show it then they don't have to explain it to us," and to me that's lazy writing. Like I said though, I can accept it... but still am seeking whether there is a logical way those things would happen. Don't know about him warping back though since they're out of jumps (I'll get to that later as my next big quibble) and he obviously didn't return back with Bruce.

I think that there are multiple timelines, but I don't think it's just timelines A and B. They must have traveled to C, D, E, F, G, and H as well. Clint does when he retrieves his kid's glove, several of them go back to Manhattan and then Tony and Steve go to the seventies, Rhodes and Nebula go for the power stone, Rocket and Thor to Asgard, Clint and Nat to Vormir, and Steve back in the "past" to return all of the stones.

I think the only thing Bruce said to Baldy is that he could return the stone to her at that proper moment in time (as Cap likely did) so that all will be good again, re-correcting her timeline's path. He understands there are different timelines (again, hence the "killing Thanos as a baby" won't work). That absolutely is true too, otherwise we would see many paradoxes at play.

And yes, they could have still gotten a Black Widow from the past, just as Gamora is back in the MCU from a pre-GOTG time. They are out of jumps though, or whatever they're called. And besides using a finite number of jumps to raise the stakes for the film, I suppose another reason they wanted to do that was to close the window for future MCU movies to not go back in the past when there's something wrong and just "correct" it. This way, now that they're all used and the time stone is returned in the past (with the other one destroyed by Thanos), our forward time is now kind of in a state of permanence. Though now that Hank Pym is back from the dusting, he could probably whip up some more, but that's neither here nor there.

However, this brings up that next issue I wanted to talk about. If Scott explains that Pym is the only one who can create these jump thingamajigs, then why didn't they go back to a timeline moment before Pym was dusted to get more of them, and bring them back to their current timeline? This seemed to be the biggest concern for their heist(s) because they only had one shot at doing everything, but they could have provided themselves dozens of shots and had all the time in the world to reconcile their failed attempts. And you can't say that they can't bring things back; clearly they bring themselves back, plus the stones, and Hawkeye brought that glove back. So they can bring these items back as well, and Lang knows exactly where in SF these were made and when.

I don't know man, this wasn't even a reach either. The very, very moment that he said this, I thought this is where they were going with the story. I thought Stark or someone smart in the room would catch Lang being goofy and not thinking about this, we'd get a laugh about it, and then carry on while the film would provide other stake-raisers. Nope, they looked right past it. And I wasn't even trying to poke a hole in this bit, I was just trying to play along with what the film was going to do... and then it never did. It's not even like Michael Douglas was unavailable, in deaging form or otherwise.

While some of my concerns are just things where I question the writers on their contradicting on things, this one bugs me on a character intelligence level. The only way to look past it is to say nobody thought of it, but that one seems like a massive, massive wallop.

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I see your point about it. Tony and Cap did go back and get Pym particles as a last resort. I honestly don't know why they didn't earlier. All I can think of is maybe they were trying to do as little timeline altering as possible so they wanted to keep the jumps to a minimum. I don't know though. I realize that's kind of a cop out.

[Blzer]

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I see your point about it. Tony and Cap did go back and get Pym particles as a last resort. I honestly don't know why they didn't earlier. All I can think of is maybe they were trying to do as little timeline altering as possible so they wanted to keep the jumps to a minimum. I don't know though. I realize that's kind of a cop out.

Did they? See, I don't even remember that.

I'll definitely have to watch this movie again.

[jeremym480]

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I hadn’t watched meant of the trailers so I don’t know if this was expected the whole time but when they killed present day Thanos like 10 minutes in, I was like “Was I wrong about what this movie is about?”

I feel stupid in retrospect because I knew time travel was coming but just didn’t realize that it would mean fighting a past version of Thanos

Edit: Hope I didn’t just spoil anything. I’m awake way before I should be and was too tired to remember to close the spoiler tags lol
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What made me like Endgame more than I expected was that it wasn't what I thought it was going to be. I thought it was going to be 2-hours of them battling Thanos, then and hour of them coming back to win. So at the beginning, I was shocked just like you, then I really enjoyed how the tied it in to the past movies and of course the final hour was all amazing.

Even though it did have a lot of the common tropes that are in almost all superhero movies have and I assumed that two of the characters who bit it would bite, I still wouldn't want to be spoiled while walking into the theater.

As for the spoiler discussion:

I do think it's out of hand in some regards, but I've been on the other side of things and had something spoiled for me that kept me from seeing a movie. I never even watched Logan because someone dropped the ending 6 hours after the movie hit theaters.

I think "fake spoilers" are just as annoying as actual big time spoilers... stop being that guy if it's you.

Bottom line: We don't all consume things the same way. It could be the ride to get to the conclusion, the conclusion itself, or all of the above that people care about. If I know that someone does or doesn't die in a movie then I'm definitely not consuming it the same way. That's like going back and watching 24 knowing Jack Bauer is ****ing invincible basically. You won't enjoy it in 2019 like you could in 2001. Hell I had a roommate in the Navy that would start a new show, leave and get lunch, and come back three episodes later and sit down and watch like he didn't just miss a lot. We aren't all wired the same.

I respect the weekend silence for a new movie, but with everything else the gloves are off unless I know for sure someone hasn't seen it or cares. Game of Thrones Twitter is wild as the show is airing live.. lol.

What used to kill me back in the day, I worked night-shift and sometimes on weekends, so whenever Alabama played I would basically avoid human contact as much as possible so I could watch them when I got home. Some people knew this and would do stupid stuff just to mess with me. Like I didn't not go to the breakroom all day during a 10-hour shift to have some smart*** tell me an inverted score while standing in line to clock out. They think that they're so smart but I knew exactly what they were doing.

It's ***holes like that and the people who spoil people standing in line at the movies that I have a problem with. If one of those guys gets smacked in the head for being a dickhead well that's a ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ to me because they knew exactly what they were doing and asked for it.

Oh yeah, watch Logan, by the way. It's one of the best superhero movies ever, imo.

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I see your point about it. Tony and Cap did go back and get Pym particles as a last resort. I honestly don't know why they didn't earlier. All I can think of is maybe they were trying to do as little timeline altering as possible so they wanted to keep the jumps to a minimum. I don't know though. I realize that's kind of a cop out.

I think that the bold is just a case of "it's a movie and that makes for a better/cooler story".

[dsallupinyaarea]

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Oh my.

Yes. When people are upset the Godzilla trailer showed Godzilla because now that spoils what Godzilla will look like in the movie, that's childish.

Screaming out spoilers as you leave the theater definitely makes you a jerk but there's no reason why a thread for a movie that's been out a week should still be spoiler tagged. If you're in here, that's on you. That's what I mean by way overboard.

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[ProfessaPackMan]

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Yes. When people are upset the Godzilla trailer showed Godzilla because now that spoils what Godzilla will look like in the movie, that's childish.

Screaming out spoilers as you leave the theater definitely makes you a jerk but there's no reason why a thread for a movie that's been out a week should still be spoiler tagged. If you're in here, that's on you. That's what I mean by way overboard.

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Gotcha.

FWIW, my gripes are more with outside of OS/Social Media itself because it’s easy to avoid those. It’s the other part about some clown screaming it out that I have an issue with. I’ve always been on the same page as y’all about avoiding spoilers here.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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I have one other question that I gotta ask because I’m just not super familiar with the comics/really anything outside of these 22 movies...

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Is it weird that Cap waited for everyone to assemble BEFORE saying “Avengers Assemble”?

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[Jr.]

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I have one other question that I gotta ask because I’m just not super familiar with the comics/really anything outside of these 22 movies...

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Is it weird that Cap waited for everyone to assemble BEFORE saying “Avengers Assemble”?

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I just figured he was taking a cue from Ron Burgundy

[TheShizNo1]

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Yes. When people are upset the Godzilla trailer showed Godzilla because now that spoils what Godzilla will look like in the movie, that's childish.

Screaming out spoilers as you leave the theater definitely makes you a jerk but there's no reason why a thread for a movie that's been out a week should still be spoiler tagged. If you're in here, that's on you. That's what I mean by way overboard.

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Say that **** [emoji1490][emoji1490]

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[Candyman5]

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Yeah, that's what baffles me. It's the MCU. They're literally all the same plot.

Different hero.
Different glowy thing.
Different bad guy.
Hero wins.

This isn't exactly groundbreaking cinema.

That's what made IW so special. Something unexpected happened for a change.

Anti-spoiler culture is way out of hand and borderline childish.

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Ok, the next video game you get I'll just casually tell you the ending since "you know" getting mad will just be childish.

Smh.

It's different, if I'm dumb enough to come into the infinity war thread before seeing infinity war then yes it's my own fault.

If I'm playing a video game and some dick has their tag as a spoiler or if I am in a GoT discussion and somebody randomly posts a spoiler about another movie there then yes I'm going too be pissed off. Not sure why that's so hard for you too comprehend?

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[JayhawkerStL]

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I thought Endgame was fine. It did all the superhero stuff it needed to do, and told an interesting conclusion of a story.

But Endgame is close to being the end of the MCU for me. I think the extended universes are terrible, and only serve to getting people to watch nothing but these ****ing superhero films and TV shows.

This film just felt like a good time to move on from this genre for awhile. We had already stopped with the Netflix Marvel series, not because they were bad, but because we got behind tough that choosing what to watch net was becoming a pain.

I'm not boycotting or anything. I'll see a superhero film if it looks like I will like it. But I'm not investing in long form story arcs for films, especially if they cover multiple franchises. Captain Marvel was an example of a film that worked perfectly on its own, and didn't actually need this tie-in.

[LowerWolf]

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I’ll keep seeing them, but I have a hard time seeing myself make the same kind of emotional investment going forward that I’ve had for IW/EG.