Game of Thrones: Season 8 (Final season)

[tdawg3782]

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In a very broad sense, yes, but they're still different; Ned was around for one season, Robb for most of three. Those were classic GRRM subversion characters: you get Ned, who's set up as your typical fantasy hero. But he makes some stupid decisions and doesn't last long. You get Robb, another cliche, who's shaping up to avenge his murdered father and right everything in the Seven Kingdoms and win the throne. But he makes some stupid decisions and pays with his life. Both of their deaths made sense and had massive impacts on the story but both were small arcs within the entire story. They were a flash in the pan in the game of thrones.

The White Walkers, not specifically the Night King though, have been around since the first episode all the way to now. They were more important than Robb or Ned or any other subverted character. They were the boogieman hovering over the realm for all but three episodes of the series. I don't see GRRM subverting the "mythical, unstoppable, evil force" trope to this extent, like some M. Night Shyamalan stuff. It's just too unsatisfying. It's one thing to do that in a two-hour movie, it's something else to do that in an eight-season television series.

I see that. You're right. They have been hinted at from the get go albeit mostly behind the scenes with only a few on screen scenes tell the last season and a half or so. Honestly I had a few discussions with friends before the episode saying there was no way the NK goes down in one episode. He's been built up too much for that. But when it happened, and it could be partly because Arya has always been my favorite character by far, while a little bit in shock I was ultimately okay with the outcome. Two sides to a coin I guess

[kingkilla56]

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Since when is anything GRRM does satisfying?

It seems like it all boils down to "Im upset because Jon didnt have a one on one showdown with NK and save the world". Do you really think thats how it will go in the books? Nothing in those texts suggest we will get some beautiful neat absolutely satisfying conclusion to the WW storyline. Hell most of the time the book completely forgets about the WW threat. (Im convinced they arent nearly as big a deal to George as HBO made them on the show)

Game of thrones has never been about one on one cliche nonsense like that. Ever. George goes out of his way to not deliver what you expect, so what exactly is shocking about Arya killing the NK, and him dying so abruptly? Did you expect him to get stabbed and dramatically take a seat, look into the camera, and slowly break into pieces while giving one last manifesto about his true intentions and how he was misunderstood, while Jon held his hand and looked lovingly into his eyes?



Arya observed the men at arms at winterfell since she was a baby
Trained with Syrio specifically in stealth and dexterity moreso than pure martial skill (catching cats)
Observed the cold calculating Tywin Lannister in Harrenhall while becoming incognito among enemies
Traveled the riverlands and vale and learned ruthlessness with the Hound
Literally trained with the supreme assassins in this world who worship the god of death. (its almost as if they specifically trained her to accomplish a specific goal)


And its IMPLAUSIBLE that she could sneak up on the nightking silently? His goons didnt react in time to stop her. Ok and? What is the problem. She silently got passed them, and the King caught her. He died to her knife trick. Was it the most BA way for him to fall? No, but if you were expecting that, then youve been watching a different show than I have this whole time.



Additionally, "she just appeared out of nowhere and jumped 10 feet and got him", youre nitpicking, it was done for the drama. She appeared "out of nowhere" for the cinematic drama of it all. If youve resorted to this level criticism, you are floundering.

And lastly, it was NEVER suggested the NK was some god of battle. Hes only ever kung fu ninjitsu'd Theon. That was it. His power came from his HORDE. He was NEVER challenged beyond the wall. And simply got careless, or overconfident. He was basically giggling when Dany spit fire on him to no avail. He grabbed her neck and sword arm, and thought he was good. He was not good.

In summary, Arya is the princess that was promised. Jon's role was to unite thousands together; who prior to him would NEVER have united, for one last defense for the realm. Dany's role was the EXACT same. Arya's role was to end him. Is it the grandiose ending we may have expected with our lord and savior Jon Snow? No, but in reality, we shouldve expected it the whole time. Its what GoTs does.

Now Jon and Dany can go to the endgame and resolve bloodline issues/the throne. Which is the original reason we all got addicted to the show in the first place. It wasnt for the zombies in the opening scene in episode 1.

[ehh]

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Since when is anything GRRM does satisfying?

Game of thrones has never been about one on one cliche nonsense like that. Ever. George goes out of his way to not deliver what you expect, so what exactly is shocking about Arya killing the NK, and him dying so abruptly? Did you expect him to get stabbed and dramatically take a seat, look into the camera, and slowly break into pieces while giving one last manifesto about his true intentions and how he was misunderstood, while Jon held his hand and looked lovingly into his eyes?

Satisfying does not mean giving the audience what they want or happy endings. Twists and subversion don't mean something isn't satisfying. Ned's death or the Red Wedding is satisfying, from a storytelling perspective, since they're true consequences based on decisions that characters made.

[Beantown]

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So no one has mentioned Jon screaming "Go go" in the dragon's face, hinting he distracted it from Arya...or the fact that people want more seasons after complaining about filler in the season? Come on.

What do you want. Five episodes of the WW walking to Winterfell? Four of the survivors walking to King's Landing while Cersei waits? It's ridiculous. The story, as told by the show, is over. Anything else is filler or only stuff you wanted to see.

[tdawg3782]

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So no one has mentioned Jon screaming "Go go" in the dragon's face, hinting he distracted it from Arya...or the fact that people want more seasons after complaining about filler in the season? Come on.

What do you want. Five episodes of the WW walking to Winterfell? Four of the survivors walking to King's Landing while Cersei waits? It's ridiculous. The story, as told by the show, is over. Anything else is filler or only stuff you wanted to see.

Actually Candyman mentioned that in a spoiler a few pages back. I had to rewatch it but he totally said that. And the Dragon was blocking the path to the Weirwood. It had to be to help Arya get to the NK. That was great.

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[CMH]

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or the fact that people want more seasons after complaining about filler in the season? Come on.

People complained about this?


They ain't no fans of mine. That was the best part about Game of Thrones. Season 7 and now 8 are so rushed.

[TMagic]

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[inkcil]

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I don't know how to do the spoiler tag so spoiler alert for my next few sentences.

Just carefully re-watched episode 3 and there is a scene in slo-mo right before the night king approaches Bran and it shows a close up if the night kings hand and right next to it a hand with a black glove on and long black sleeve. The shot only lasts 2-3 seconds but it is in slo mo. So it appears Arya used her faces to get right next to the night king and disguise herself as one of his generals. This solves the whole debate about how she got so close to jump his back.

If you re-watch this episode and pay close attention to the slo mo sequences there appears to be quite a few "easter eggs" in those slo mo moments.

[ehh]

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So no one has mentioned Jon screaming "Go go" in the dragon's face, hinting he distracted it from Arya.

This is the most bat**** crazy theory I've seen around the interwebz about E3. It's getting laughed off the internet.

I rewatched the episode this morning. Same feelings about how great the episode is from a production/cinematography/directing/CGI perspective. The ending and plot armor is terrible. Seeing how the WW and wights were positioned around the Weirwood tree during Theon's death made everything even worse about the NK's demise. It would make more sense if that joke was true about Arya being dropped from the sky by warg-controlled crows.

Just carefully re-watched episode 3 and there is a scene in slo-mo right before the night king approaches Bran and it shows a close up if the night kings hand and right next to it a hand with a black glove on and long black sleeve. The shot only lasts 2-3 seconds but it is in slo mo. So it appears Arya used her faces to get right next to the night king and disguise herself as one of his generals. This solves the whole debate about how she got so close to jump his back.

Why would she jump in the air and scream? We also get a long approach shot of the NK approaching Bran after Theon's death. He's walking by himself.

[inkcil]

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Lol I don't know why she jumped and screamed but I know that the white walker generals don't wear black gloves and black long sleeves.

I mean, the directors put the hand scene in the episode, not me.

[kingkilla56]

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I wasn’t a big fan of that episode. Almost every story felt a bit rushed with little time to digest, but I guess we are running out of time after all.

[Brandwin]

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I wasn’t a big fan of that episode. Almost every story felt a bit rushed with little time to digest, but I guess we are running out of time after all.

Season has been a little disappointing to me.

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[HealyMonster]

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IM all in with ending this, love it or hate it, it is what it is, lets see how this thing ends, and lets get a resolution to this story.

With that said, I felt like episode 4 was like an episode on the wwe. Like they need a "throne" banner, and the only thing missing was cercei and danny pointing to it as credits rolled.

danny has no army, cercei has a huge army, danny has 1 dragon, with literally an undragonable defense in place. as sansa said, whatever army danny has left just had a fight to the death with the dead, now they are literally crossing the whole word for another battle, while cerceis army is ready to roll. Im already suspending belief that A) dannys army would even make it to kings landing let alone fight a battle and win, and B) Danny has any idea what she is doing.

[redsox4evur]

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LOL at anyone who thinks that the Starbucks cup wasn't put in there on purpose opposed to a production assistant, cast member, director, etc left on the table on accident, and Starbucks didn't pay millions for it to be there.

[johnnyg713]

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The dragon dying was the best scene of the show. I enjoy the "oh sh*t" moments of game of thrones, wether its good or bad. The Misandry death on the other hand... meh.