Game of Thrones: Season 8 (Final season)

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Maybe Arya was wearing the face of a White Walker? That’s one logical theory I can of in regards to sneaking up on the Night King.

I mean she spent two seasons in Braavos learning how to do that so maybe that’s how. Of course, the next thing anyone would ask in regards to that would be “Well, why didn’t she do that while she was hiding from the Wights?”, which would be fair to ask.

[DieHardYankee26]

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Felt a lot like End Game, really well put together for what it was, but super predictable, actually worse because I'd predict major deaths in this show whereas I pretty much knew what would happen in Avengers. Just felt anticlimactic, a lot of build up and then it was just... Over. I at least thought

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a dragon

would bite it but nope.

[ESPOMAN]

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Disappointing ending. Also don't get how Jamie, Pod, Tormound, and a lot of other named characters were shown surrounded by wights then in the next scene they're fine. Also I wish Jon had a 1v1 against the Night King. I don't care if Arya still had the ending blow, even though she has no connection with the dead, but Jon's arc has been gearing up to him fighting the Night King to never have it happening is kind of disappointing. Also to have the Dead die in one episode after hyping them up for 8 seasons is disappointing.

[zanner]

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That was my issue, I didn't understand how Arya got the jump on him so relatively easily yet he sensed Jon well behind him earlier in the episode and turned to face him. .

So as i think about it today I think about part of episode where Arya was practically invisible to the walkers in the library. That scene just showed how undetectable she can be which plays into coming out at the end of the episode.

With that I don't think the night King has predictive thoughts as much as he has a sixth sense and knowledge of opponent which he still ended up having with Arya , except Arya was better than others at stealth and combat. They pretty much showed that throughout as she was about the only one pretty handily cutting through them and escaping


The whole Jon scene I don't think he knew he would be there I just think they had just got done fighting on dragons and he knew he was around and pretty much knew from coming across Jon multiple times that Jon was going to keep coming after him.

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[rdnk]

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I thought that was a sloppy episode and fell back into classic Fantasy Tropes.

It feels like they've been doing this a lot since they ran out of book material.

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Many of us predicted a major death or two, but really they only culled some of the secondary characters. I also don't know where they go from here as far as following this up, anything after this will seem like a letdown in comparison.

[Candyman5]

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Loved the episode, hated the ending.

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[CMH]

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I really liked the episode.


But with Arya, I think it's a simple problem of her ability being beyond what we and cameras / visual effects can comprehend or show.


She's the best assassin there is. She's silent. She's quick. She's virtually undetectable. The library scene wanted to show that but, yeah, it's hard to comprehend as we watch it because all she's doing is going from bookcase to bookcase.


But then they showed us the blood dripping and how it got all of their attention. It was subtle but it might have been done to show us that's how silent she was. She was more silent than a drop of blood hitting the ground from just inches from the floor.


How do you show that on camera? You really can't. You just film it and kind of hope people accept it. It's messy and not the best but I don't know what else they could have done.

[tdawg3782]

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I really liked the episode.


But with Arya, I think it's a simple problem of her ability being beyond what we and cameras / visual effects can comprehend or show.


She's the best assassin there is. She's silent. She's quick. She's virtually undetectable. The library scene wanted to show that but, yeah, it's hard to comprehend as we watch it because all she's doing is going from bookcase to bookcase.


But then they showed us the blood dripping and how it got all of their attention. It was subtle but it might have been done to show us that's how silent she was. She was more silent than a drop of blood hitting the ground from just inches from the floor.


How do you show that on camera? You really can't. You just film it and kind of hope people accept it. It's messy and not the best but I don't know what else they could have done.

This is my thoughts as well. I remember people complaining about Arya's character doing nothing for 2 seasons. Well what she was doing is training to become the best assassin in all the land. All that paid off. No one was going to be able to defeat the Night King in straight up battle. They needed someone to surprise attack him and she was the only one with the abilities to achieve it and still almost didn't make it.

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[ESPOMAN]

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In the behind the episode they pretty much said they had it be Arya that kills the Night King because it is unexpected. But I don't know her whole arc is about her list and the faceless men not the Night King. Just because it's unexpected doesn't mean it makes sense. Like a lot of the other main deaths (Ned, Robb, Stannis, and others) were unexpected, (Not Stannis). But it was because of a bad decision they made that came back to bite them. Having Arya randomly kill the Night King seems like Bran and Jon are just wasted space now. Since there arc was around the Night King and now he's dead. Even though I think Jon is going to end up in charge because Dany's vision in season 2 had snow on the Throne. Who knows though at least the King's Landing fight will be in daylight.

[WDOgF0reL1fe]

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I have zero problems with the episode.
People are complaining and freaking out, as if it ISNT the last episode of the series or anything. We still have 3 more episodes along with other foes to deal with.

Agree completely with everyones theories about the blood dripping and THAT being the loudest noise to happen.

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I also think that this was Bran's plan to be out in the open like this. The NK NEVER fought anyone 1 on 1 (at least I can remember) He always had his cronies fight for him, raised dead whenever he was alone, etc. Bran staying out in the open with only a few bodyguards was an easier way to have the NK be vulnerable

[CMH]

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In the behind the episode they pretty much said they had it be Arya that kills the Night King because it is unexpected. But I don't know her whole arc is about her list and the faceless men not the Night King. Just because it's unexpected doesn't mean it makes sense. Like a lot of the other main deaths (Ned, Robb, Stannis, and others) were unexpected, (Not Stannis). But it was because of a bad decision they made that came back to bite them. Having Arya randomly kill the Night King seems like Bran and Jon are just wasted space now. Since there arc was around the Night King and now he's dead. Even though I think Jon is going to end up in charge because Dany's vision in season 2 had snow on the Throne. Who knows though at least the King's Landing fight will be in daylight.

I do think that while the show creators did a good job dissecting the books that existed, it's clear that they have no real clue what Martin is going to do in his last two books. I mean, we all know that. It's long been suspected that the show has been a bit all over the place since it ran past the books.


When Arya killed the Night King, I immediately thought of Martin watching the episode and thinking, "Heh, that's not how it's going to happen."




As for Jon Snow. I think his purpose was essentially to unite the North with Dany. Or at least unite the best he could. Without Jon Snow, without Mel bringing him back, Sansa would have canceled Dany immediately. And the North would have been truly screwed without the Dothraki dying for them or the Unsullied holding ground. Or, heck, without dragons roasting a few white walkers.




Bran still kind of confuses me. I get that viewers might feel Bran is more powerful than he really is, but at the same time, can you fault us? Bran sits there like he's a god that just knows how things will play out. But it's also very empty. The best it's really done is provide us memes. Other than that, Bran just sits there. He offered no insight, no help, no guidance. What's the point in knowing all things if you don't help people?



It really bothers me. There is no point in Bran. And if Bran was the whole reason The Night King destroyed Wintefell, why not ship his *** to an island somewhere?

[Beantown]

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. Having Arya randomly kill the Night King seems like Bran and Jon are just wasted space now. Since there arc was around the Night King and now he's dead.

This seems crazy to me.

It was Bran’s plan that got Arya the chance to kill the King (and the weapon to do so). It was Jon who brought everyone together to fight the King...so either of them were wasted in the episode or this arc.

Now? We get to see Bran take his place as the Three Eyed Raven and how powerful that could be without the threat of the NK overshadowing him (although we probably won’t see more than a scene or two since he’ll probably stay in Winterfell and such). Then we get to see Jon complete his story arc as the rightful heir, because that’s what the show has always been about. The throne and the rights to it.

Jon/Dany/Cersei are headed for a massive three way power struggle. Cersei has the much better army now, Jon has the right but would people still follow him when they find out who he actually is, and Dany has what’s left of her army and a dragon. To say Jon is wasted space now just...seems like an overreaction.


As far as the episode, it’s gotten better after a rewatch and thinking (and seeing what people’s complaints are) about it. I’m now glad everyone didn’t die because there’s still the fight for the Throne and we need these people to care about. If they all survive the remaining HALF a season, then I’ll complain too.

[CMH]

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It was Bran’s plan that got Arya the chance to kill the King (and the weapon to do so).

My brother reminded me of this and so I retract my statement. Bran did do something. He helped push Arya in the right direction.

[Beantown]

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My brother reminded me of this and so I retract my statement. Bran did do something. He helped push Arya in the right direction.

Say he makes a comment to her next episode along the lines of “I knew you’d come for me” and confirms that his plan was to lure the King into the Forrest, think he’s won, and use the focus on Bran that he has (clearly, since he could’ve easily killed Jon when he rose the dead but instead he turned and walked on because Jon doesn’t matter to him, we all just thought so)...and then Arya kills him? The Red Woman saw a similar thing. It would make sense.

Would that change your opinion on Bran and his plan/guidance/pure out-coaching of the Night King?

[CMH]

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Say he makes a comment to her next episode along the lines of “I knew you’d come for me” and confirms that his plan was to lure the King into the Forrest, think he’s won, and use the focus on Bran that he has (clearly, since he could’ve easily killed Jon when he rose the dead but instead he turned and walked on because Jon doesn’t matter to him, we all just thought so)...and then Arya kills him? The Red Woman saw a similar thing. It would make sense.

Would that change your opinion on Bran and his plan/guidance/pure out-coaching of the Night King?

Oh yeah. He doesn't even need to comment on it. The fact he gave Arya the knife is proof enough for me that he absolutely used his ability to help.


Without that, I just felt like he simply sat to draw attention and knew things would fall into place. Which is fine, but it makes him having this ability kind of useless to everyone else. Imagine you know everything there is to everything and then you tell no one or don't guide people in the right direction. What's the point of your power but to just know things?


That was my thinking with Bran. So he knows things? Great, so does Tyrion. At least Tyrion drinks too. But Bran subtly pushing Arya in the right direction means that he actually used his knowledge to help them win and therefore him becoming the Three Eyed Raven served a purpose in winning the war.