Game of Thrones: Season 8 (Final season)

[jfsolo]

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Hopefully Martin can finish the books and give all the people who are disappointed in the narrative of the show the story that they're hoping for.

[Beantown]

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Hopefully Martin can finish the books and give all the people who are disappointed in the narrative of the show the story that they're hoping for.

He told the show runners the three biggest plot points he hadn’t written yet. Obviously the Night King isnt as big of a character in the books so.....yeah.

Blame your slow *** writer for this. Not the show. They aren’t waiting around for him.

[Rocky]

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Basically - myself included - any disappointment from this episode seems to correlate with all the theories online that we all wanted to happen being just that, theories.

Completely disagree. Some of the complaints are valid...even if I don't agree with some of them.

Other shows get shredded (namely Walking Dead) for the thick plot armor. There are other valid complaints as well.

[Beantown]

Game of Thrones: Season 8 (Final season)

Completely disagree. Some of the complaints are valid...even if I don't agree with some of them.



Other shows get shredded (namely Walking Dead) for the thick plot armor. There are other valid complaints as well.

Which ones don’t you agree with that either a) needed to be done for the show or b) can be blamed on slow as GRRM for taking this long to write a book, despite him telling them the important things?

Don’t care if I’m Jon facing down y’all army for Ramsay. I’ll defend the show as a fan while y’all can charge. Lets go. That’s the best part about this saga.

[kingkilla56]

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Seems like some of you have a character bloodlust that wasnt satisfied in one episode.

There are three more to go. Enjoy the ride.

[jfsolo]

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He told the show runners the three biggest plot points he hadn’t written yet. Obviously the Night King isnt as big of a character in the books so.....yeah.

Blame your slow *** writer for this. Not the show. They aren’t waiting around for him.

I've never read the books, and am totally down with what the show has done, so you are misinterpreting my post.

[Rocky]

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Which ones don’t you agree with that either a) needed to be done for the show or b) can be blamed on slow as GRRM for taking this long to write a book, despite him telling them the important things?

Don’t care if I’m Jon facing down y’all army for Ramsay. I’ll defend the show as a fan while y’all can charge. Lets go. That’s the best part about this saga.

1. Like I mentioned...the plot armor. Brienne, Jamie, Sam, Tormund, etc. survived hordes of wights (not to mention a fire ice breathing dragon) with no real rhyme or reason. Nobody complains (or at least I haven't seen) about the Hound surviving because there was a plausible reason for it. I get it, it's a TV show and that happens from time to time. But TWD rightly gets killed for overdoing it. No surprise that people are complaining about GOT doing the same thing.

2. I don't agree all the way with this but the showrunners tried to have it both ways with the WW arc. Regardless of it's how GRRM intended, they were presented as an ultimate villain from the shows inception. So again...no surprise that viewers were disappointed to see they fell by a common villain trope. I'm not there all the way on that...I thought the way it was handled was slick (and necessary) but I understand the complaints.

3. Besides Night King raising the dead again and the Dothraki scene there was nothing really jarring about the WW or nothing that really hit you like Hardhome. For example, the crypts weren't handled well and served merely as a plot device for Sansa even though the have a huge role in the show and lore. The visuals were stunning, the scenes in the library with Arya were great, and you did get the feeling of a dire situation but I get that sone were expecting more.

All that is besides the more explainable issues like the lighting and sequencing. All that said, I enjoyed the episode and the visual scope was excellent once again. But it wasn't perfect and that's the nature with a show that has fans this passionate dealing with essentially a (if not THE) premier episode in the entire series.

[Beantown]

Game of Thrones: Season 8 (Final season)

I've never read the books, and am totally down with what the show has done, so you are misinterpreting my post.

I’m in full defend Winterfell against these white walkers mode. Sorry. [emoji23]

[ESPOMAN]

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I’m not even sure if I would really want to watch a white walker prequel especially knowing that they don’t even get past Winterfell once they knock the wall down. It’s kind of like how in Episode 3 they show the Death Star at the end. Seeing something that is doomed to fail isn’t that exciting.
I don’t know I hope that they expand on them a bit because to have a villain that doesn’t talk and just wants to kill everyone is lame. It sucks that George RR Martin is probably never gonna finish the books there’s a lot more people in it I don’t know how he’ll finish in 2 books

[johnnyg713]

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1. Like I mentioned...the plot armor. Brienne, Jamie, Sam, Tormund, etc. survived hordes of wights (not to mention a fire ice breathing dragon) with no real rhyme or reason. Nobody complains (or at least I haven't seen) about the Hound surviving because there was a plausible reason for it. I get it, it's a TV show and that happens from time to time. But TWD rightly gets killed for overdoing it. No surprise that people are complaining about GOT doing the same thing.

2. I don't agree all the way with this but the showrunners tried to have it both ways with the WW arc. Regardless of it's how GRRM intended, they were presented as an ultimate villain from the shows inception. So again...no surprise that viewers were disappointed to see they fell by a common villain trope. I'm not there all the way on that...I thought the way it was handled was slick (and necessary) but I understand the complaints.

3. Besides Night King raising the dead again and the Dothraki scene there was nothing really jarring about the WW or nothing that really hit you like Hardhome. For example, the crypts weren't handled well and served merely as a plot device for Sansa even though the have a huge role in the show and lore. The visuals were stunning, the scenes in the library with Arya were great, and you did get the feeling of a dire situation but I get that sone were expecting more.

All that is besides the more explainable issues like the lighting and sequencing. All that said, I enjoyed the episode and the visual scope was excellent once again. But it wasn't perfect and that's the nature with a show that has fans this passionate dealing with essentially a (if not THE) premier episode in the entire series.

Great analysis. The WW are gone but their plot line/theme still has unanswered questions. This is why many people are dissapointed but the episode and still expect more resolution. Which I think is definitely going to be addressed. The people who argue this shouldn't be the case probably believe Jon Snow should have stayed dead the first time and can't fathom the concept of a bigger story being told.

[DocHolliday]

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The three coming episodes have bigger more important issues to deal with than anything to do with the Night King and the walkers. Ya know, like the Throne. Next.

I didn't think there were bigger issues than the Night King and his WWs. At least, that is what we have been told for.....like 8 years.

Pivoting and making Cercei the biggest villain after they have defeated the "God of Death" just doesn't quite seem to fit. I mean, i get they lost some team members in the battle, and whoever OKed the Dothraki charge should probably be fired, but they have to be feeling pretty good right about now.

The obvious conflict that can now arise is between Jon and Dany, as now she knows he has a legit claim to the throne. She is not just going to give that to him obviously.

[ehh]

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I didn't think there were bigger issues than the Night King and his WWs. At least, that is what we have been told for.....like 8 years.

Exactly. The very first scene of the series introduces us to the White Walkers. In writing, there's a saying of the first door open is the last door closed. In this case, that didn't happen and that's why some people are upset and bothered by it. The audience was shown that the WW are coming to disrupt the status quo world--albeit a violent and messy one--of Westeros. This was no longer about kings and lords and houses and political games. The Iron Throne is not a bigger issue than the survival of the species, that was the entire point. If no one is left to sit on the Iron Throne, what's the point in having it?

I feel comfortable in saying that the books will have a very different ending than the show.


Edit: For those wondering if this is indeed it for the WW, it is. Benioff said so in the Inside The Episode and they've never lied to or deceived the audience.

[CMH]

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I don't know what else they could do with dead dead characters.


I did spend ten years thinking that the show was interesting in that humans were fighting over a throne that didn't matter because a bigger threat lived up north. Instead, I'm discovering that the humans were kind of right all along and the threat up north, while dangerous, wasn't really the story.


Is it disappointing? Sure, but that's my fault for thinking what I thought the show was really about. Now I see that the show was always about King's Landing. Always. It was always about Dany and Cersei and the added wrinkle of Jon Snow's right if he even cares for it. And that's fine because that's still a bananas show and I can't wait to watch the last 5 hours of that story.

[ehh]

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Is it disappointing? Sure, but that's my fault for thinking what I thought the show was really about. Now I see that the show was always about King's Landing. Always.

No, it's not your fault. You thought that for a good reason. This is exactly what people are talking about with crappy writing. Shows, novels, etc all make promises early on. Many viewers or readers aren't aware that it happens but subconsciously it gets through. I'm not talking about fan theories either, I'm talking about the rules of storytelling. When those promises aren't fulfilled or are fulfilled in an unsatisfying way, the audience/reader feels cheated--again, not in a theory/plotting/arc/subversion way--and it's poor writing. This is all Creative Writing 101.

A basic example is a story about a man who's going along his everyday life and various bad things happen to him. He's a normal dude in a normal world living a normal life. One day he hits rock bottom: he's in a life or death situation and an angel appears and rescues him at the last minute. The end. We were never promised early on that this was a supernatural story, angels were never mentioned, etc. and it would piss off everyone who read that story because it breaks all of the promises the story made early on and it's a cheap ending that doesn't fit. Imagine you're watching The Wire or The Sopranos and

Spoiler

an angel appears to save Omar or Tony.

You'd be pissed, right? You thought this was a show about real life and but ta-da, there are angels in it too!

GOT didn't spend that much time on a misdirection/red herring. No writer does. The WW were not given all this screen and plot time to say at the end, "Hey, just kidding! This actually is a story about medieval human vs human conflict! Haha!" That's not how good writing works.

We were promised that this was about more than human vs human conflict. Again, what I said in my previous post, the first door opened is the last door closed. We were promised that the Big Problem of ASOIAF is the White Walkers. That the WW were thousands of years old and the only thing protecting the realm was a magic 500' wall. We'd be screwed if they ever got south. What we got was the WW promptly losing their first battle to humans south of the wall. Whether fans can properly articulate it or not, this is why people are upset about it. At the root of all anger is a violated expectation.

Again, for those who read the books, I guarantee GRRM handles this in a much more masterful and satisfying way even though Arya will still be the one who kills the Night King.

[ESPOMAN]

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I can’t believe they didn’t even get past Winterfell. The lost in literally their first battle south of the Wall. Everyone that didn’t see them as a threat was right, the show would be the same without them