Pretty Good Article re: Xbox360 vs PS3

[LIGHTNING]

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It seems to me like the Xbox 360 is being argued just like the ps2 was argued last time around. For me the ps2 was the better system initially because that is where the games were, but it wasn't as big an upgrade over the playstation as I had hoped. Ultimately the system with the better hardware won out. The thing the xbox does have going for it is the networking and online ability it has. Microsoft definately has advantages in that area. Im still kind of leaning towards the ps3 though, because I think both systems are established enough at this point where both will have good games. I might buy the 360 and then trade it in for a ps3 down the road. It's pretty much the same thing I did with the ps2 and the xbox.

That article by IGN confused the hell out of me though. Which one is more powerful? I understand the argument that its how you take advantage of the hardware and ultimately its the games. Hence why Nintendo isnt even in this decision imo.... But still I think the xbox and ps3 are close enough in games where the hardware will matter. That argument doesnt fly here imo although ive heard it every time a new system comes out. The xbox ultimately won out clearly over the ps2 because of its hardware advantage although it did take a while for game developers to take advantage of it. Are you telling me that developers arent going to take advantage of the ps3's specs? Please... Developers have pushed the ps2 to the limit. They pushed the playstation to the limit. It will be the same with the ps3 because so many people will own it. The xbox will be in the same boat. Why I think the system with the best hardware will ultimately win although the online capabilities of the xbox and having microsoft as a networking tool is a nice advantage.

For multiplayer games developers usually optimize for the weakest console hardware and port to the other consoles. This helps lower development expenses. Also the bottle necks are going to move from hardware to software development . It is going to be very very expensive to make the next generation games with higher quality graphics and more detailed environments. The software developers must hire more artists and the like which means more overhead and higher expenses.

[tripwire]

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Are you telling me that developers arent going to take advantage of the ps3's specs? Please... Developers have pushed the ps2 to the limit. They pushed the playstation to the limit. It will be the same with the ps3 because so many people will own it. The xbox will be in the same boat. Why I think the system with the best hardware will ultimately win although the online capabilities of the xbox and having microsoft as a networking tool is a nice advantage.

Any game developer will tell you that with each and every console there is a learning curve attached to each, that's why sometimes you hear the terms 1st, 2nd, 3rd generation games. By the time the PS3 is realeased, game developers will be pumping out games on the 360 already having acquired that needed experience as to how much more they can get out of the console. How long the learning curve for each is the question? The tech vibe floating around is that the 360 will be easier to work with than the PS3. We'll see what the future holds.

Personally, I believe that the 360 will have a graphical edge over the PS3 when all is said and done. I could be wrong, but I'd be willing to wager on the outcome.

It will all come down to games in the end, and each console will have enough exclusives, and 3rd party support, that will make them both successfull well into the next-gen after this IMO. MS also has the online edge, which will help them in sales. Sony has the Asian market, which MS hasn't made a dent in.

It's good for us, as consumers, to have these companies compete for our dollars. Give 1 all the power, and prices will soar even higher than they are now.

[Walker8]

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Any game developer will tell you that with each and every console there is a learning curve attached to each, that's why sometimes you hear the terms 1st, 2nd, 3rd generation games. By the time the PS3 is realeased, game developers will be pumping out games on the 360 already having acquired that needed experience as to how much more they can get out of the console. How long the learning curve for each is the question? The tech vibe floating around is that the 360 will be easier to work with than the PS3. We'll see what the future holds.

Personally, I believe that the 360 will have a graphical edge over the PS3 when all is said and done. I could be wrong, but I'd be willing to wager on the outcome.

It will all come down to games in the end, and each console will have enough exclusives, and 3rd party support, that will make them both successfull well into the next-gen after this IMO. MS also has the online edge, which will help them in sales. Sony has the Asian market, which MS hasn't made a dent in.

It's good for us, as consumers, to have these companies compete for our dollars. Give 1 all the power, and prices will soar even higher than they are now.

THanks for the response. Why do you feel the 360 will have the graphical edge when all is said and done though? The graphic processors for the most part seem to be apples and oranges from what I've read so far. Personally I think they will both be great systems and I dont think you can go wrong with either. I dont see either system having a huge advantage over the other in specs like the Xbox had over the ps2. BUt still the PS3 when looking at the specs looks more powerful to me. I could be wrong though, but that seems to be the general consensus. Usually that is what I go by and usually that turns out to be the case imo. When people start sugar coating saying well this does this better and that isnt really the case, I tend to think its smoke be blown. Maybe it is true but I remember SOny saying how the ps2 was actually more powerful when you look at this and that, and it was pretty clear in the end which system was more powerful. Developers arent going to go out of their way to take advantage of that kind of stuff. In terms of raw power it looks like the ps3 is more powerful, although that article by IGN referring to general processing power threw me for a loop.

[Walker8]

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Here is Gamespot's head to head spec comparison btw. I didn't see it posted here so I thought Id add it to this thread..

http://hardware.gamespot.com/Story-ST-x-1985-x-x-x?tag=boxcar_all_features_image

[tripwire]

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THanks for the response. Why do you feel the 360 will have the graphical edge when all is said and done though? The graphic processors for the most part seem to be apples and oranges from what I've read so far. Personally I think they will both be great systems and I dont think you can go wrong with either. I dont see either system having a huge advantage over the other in specs like the Xbox had over the ps2. BUt still the PS3 when looking at the specs looks more powerful to me. I could be wrong though, but that seems to be the general consensus. Usually that is what I go by and usually that turns out to be the case imo. When people start sugar coating saying well this does this better and that isnt really the case, I tend to think its smoke be blown. Maybe it is true but I remember SOny saying how the ps2 was actually more powerful when you look at this and that, and it was pretty clear in the end which system was more powerful. Developers arent going to go out of their way to take advantage of that kind of stuff. In terms of raw power it looks like the ps3 is more powerful, although that article by IGN referring to general processing power threw me for a loop.

That IGN article was slanted to say the least, it was MS's take on comparing things.

Graphically, I don't believe Nvidia's RSX chip will up to par with this: LINK
The 360 games will look cleaner(no jaggies). Yup, 4x AA, with no hit in performance, will be tough to beat.

It will be less of an edge that what they have with the current Xbox>PS2, but it will be noticeable to the eye IMO. Still, the releases are still far away, so things can change.

[Walker8]

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That IGN article was slanted to say the least, it was MS's take on comparing things.

Graphically, I don't believe Nvidia's RSX chip will up to par with this: LINK
The 360 games will look cleaner(no jaggies). Yup, 4x AA, with no hit in performance, will be tough to beat.

It will be less of an edge that what they have with the current Xbox>PS2, but it will be noticeable to the eye IMO. Still, the releases are still far away, so things can change.

Yeah it seems like Microsoft was attempting to fire back after being overshadowed by the PS3 at E3. Especially the way they worded things in that article. I do agree with you that the gpu on the Xbox is pretty sweet. The ps3 is capable of displaying 1080 noninterlaced though. I'm still kind of leaning towards the ps3 at his point just because I think it appears to be the more powerful package. I think it's being a bit exaggerated by how much though.

[tripwire]

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Yeah it seems like Microsoft was attempting to fire back after being overshadowed by the PS3 at E3. Especially the way they worded things in that article. I do agree with you that the gpu on the Xbox is pretty sweet. The ps3 is capable of displaying 1080 noninterlaced though. I'm still kind of leaning towards the ps3 at his point just because I think it appears to be the more powerful package. I think it's being a bit exaggerated by how much though.

Maybe MS didn't like their console being referred to as Xbox 1.5 by Sony?

You cannot go wrong if you choose to buy the PS3, especially if you're into Blu-Ray, the 1080i option, and you like their games more(exclusives and 3rd party). It will be a powerful system, no doubt.

[Walker8]

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LOL. Yeah that had to hurt. You have to admit when looking at the demo's so far the 360 games don't look that much better than what we currently have. Whereas some of the ps3 has blown me away. You can't really go by the intitial demo's though considering the game developers arent even taking advantage of the systems hardware like they can. Plus I'm hard pressed to find much actual game footage for the ps3. That Killzone demo was ridiculous. They had Jack Tretton on after all the cgi comments and he said that was actual gameplay we were looking at. Who know's if he was lying though.

[Walker8]

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BTW if you have any demo's I should check out please post them! I've basically just been over at IGN looking at all the video's they have there.

[Fresh Tendrils]

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LOL. Yeah that had to hurt. You have to admit when looking at the demo's so far the 360 games don't look that much better than what we currently have. Whereas some of the ps3 has blown me away. You can't really go by the intitial demo's though considering the game developers arent even taking advantage of the systems hardware like they can. Plus I'm hard pressed to find much actual game footage for the ps3. That Killzone demo was ridiculous. They had Jack Tretton on after all the cgi comments and he said that was actual gameplay we were looking at. Who know's if he was lying though.

They don't look much better? You're comparing an alpha stage game to a finished, polished up game?

[tripwire]

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LOL. Yeah that had to hurt. You have to admit when looking at the demo's so far the 360 games don't look that much better than what we currently have. Whereas some of the ps3 has blown me away. You can't really go by the intitial demo's though considering the game developers arent even taking advantage of the systems hardware like they can. Plus I'm hard pressed to find much actual game footage for the ps3. That Killzone demo was ridiculous. They had Jack Tretton on after all the cgi comments and he said that was actual gameplay we were looking at. Who know's if he was lying though.

MS did the same thing(releasing dev kit demos) before the Xbox release at E3, and even then people were underwhelmed. Once the final product came out, they sang a different tune. Sony likes to dramatically draw in their audience with jaw-dropping movies of what they say their games will look like, but we've all been down that road before. The designer of Killzone himself basically admits that it was a 6 month movie-type production of what they HOPE to achieve:LINK

Key point:

Is the Killzone sequence a fair example of what people can expect from realtime gameplay on PlayStation 3?

Jan-Bart: Yeah, it's basically a representation of the look and feel of the game we're trying to make.

[tripwire]

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BTW if you have any demo's I should check out please post them! I've basically just been over at IGN looking at all the video's they have there.

You could also check out gamespot and gametrailers for more.

[PSU]

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the 360 games werent even running on half of the 360s power and most of its game except a few already looked great.

[Walker8]

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Hey I'm agreeing with you. I was just a little underwhelmed is all. What has been shown for the 360 so far doesnt look as good what is being shown for the ps3. I'm not the only one that thinks this. Is the 360 capable of much better? Absolutely. Will microsoft fire back with even more impressive stuff. Of course. Still my initial reaction to the 360 from what I've seen is hey its nice, but the ps3 stuff looks better. And I understand we are talking about marketing here and what is being shown isnt necessarily game footage. Plus we are in the initial stages. Ultimately I think both systems will be great. So far though its pretty obvious the stuff sony is showing looks better imo.

[keRplunK]

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Sony's movies look better than the developing 360 games.

Super duper.