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  • ChuckS
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    • May 2004
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    Xbox 360 "Half the Price of PS3" by Late 2006

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    Xbox 360 "Half the Price of PS3" by Late 2006

    By Christian Svensson Print | Send to a friend | Email the editor

    Merrill Lynch has released a new breakdown of next generation hardware component costs suggesting that Xbox 360 "could be selling at half the price of PS3 in the latter half of 2006." Full stats breakdown inside...
    The report puts a positive spin on Microsoft's future with Xbox 360 versus Sony's PS3. It includes estimated breakdown of hardware costs by component and shipping predictions. Particular emphasis on the manufacturing costs of each console has been paid in this report. Some of the highlights include:


    "…The PS3 will not only be significantly more costly than Xbox 360 at launch, but will continue to operate at a cost disadvantage for several years. … We think that the Xbox 360 could be selling at half the price of PS3 in the latter half of 2006."



    "…Our analysis indicates that Microsoft has a significant advantage in terms of cost. Taking Sony's weakened financial condition and Microsoft's deep pockets into consideration, we conclude that Microsoft's Xbox 360 should emerge as the early winner in the next round of the game console wars."


    "Competitive pricing [for Microsoft] could hurt margins for Microsoft in the near term, but we think that Microsoft has the potential to exit 2006 with an installed base of 10 million units, with all that implies for more profitable software sales for 2007."


    The report also states that ATI (GPU provider), Infineon (memory provider) and Marvel (licensed Microsoft to make an MMOG) could all benefit from an early lead on Xbox 360.


    On the cost of goods side, Merrill Lynch believes that the Cell processor will initially cost $160 to make… more than the Xenon CPU which comes in at $100.


    The graphics solutions will also be pricey. Both Nvidia's RSX and ATI's GPU will cost about $100 each. Price reductions over time will eventually get the parts to about $30.


    Blu-Ray is also cited as an expensive solution for PS3. The cost of the drive is estimated to cost at least $75.


    On the RAM side, Microsoft again is expected to have some advantage using GDDR3 given its availability on the open market. PS3's XDR main memory is "not a product that has gained acceptance elsewhere", implying some sort of additional risk or cost.


    On the Hard Drive front, it predicts that PS3 will not have one included standard, but like Microsoft, it will be an add-on.


    The report predicts that Microsoft will break even in year one of the 360's release and that profits will come in year two. The report predicts that 2 million hardware units will be sold in 2005 with 7 million shipping in 2006.


    A lot of the predictions made are based upon the assumption that Sony will not take a significant loss on the hardware (which it believes to be the case given Sony's recent financial pressures). If Sony is willing to be aggressive on pricing with PS3, the report conceeds that many of these numbers are likely to change.



    Costs By Hardware

    PlayStation 3 Component Est. Cost at Launch Est. Cost after 3 Years
    CPU IBM Cell $ 160 $ 50
    GPU Nvidia RSX @550MHz $ 100 $ 30
    Optical Media Blu-Ray $ 100 $ 30
    Memory 256MB XDR/256MB GDDR3 $ 60 $ 30
    HDD detachable 2.5" HDD NA NA
    USB 6 ports $ 5 $ 3
    Ethernet gigabit ethernet $ 5 $ 4
    Wi-Fi 802.11b/g $ 5 $ 3
    Bluetooth Bluetooth 2.0 $ 10 $ 5
    Other Analog IC, ASICs, I/O $ 50 $ 40
    Total
    $ 495 $ 195



    Xbox 360 Component Est. Cost at Launch Est. Cost after 3 Years
    CPU IBM PPC $ 100 $ 35
    GPU ATI GPU $ 100 $ 30
    Optical Media DVD-ROM $ 25 $ 10
    Memory 512MB GDDR3 $ 50 $ 25
    HDD detachable 20GB HDD $ 25 $ 15
    USB 3 ports $ 5 $ 3
    Ethernet Ethernet $ 5 $ 4
    Wi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g $ 5 $ 3
    Controllers up to 4 wireless NA NA
    Other Analog IC, ASICs, I/O $ 25 $ 20
    Total
    $ 340 $ 145
  • deejay8595
    Banned
    • May 2003
    • 775

    #2
    Re: Xbox 360 "Half the Price of PS3" by Late 2006

    Howard stringer interview

    PS3 will be bundled with a selection of preloaded films, TV programs and games and sell for between $300-$400.




    Default Article/Interview with Howard Stringer (some PS3 talk)
    "Stringer banking on HD strategy for Sony rebound"





    Quote:
    In a demonstration of the swift collaborative response to consumer-driven marketplace changes that a revitalized Sony can deliver, the company soon will unveil a line of compact, portable video devices to fill the time gap before PlayStation 3 launches in Japan in March and in the U.S. a year from now.

    Quote:
    An early strategic victory in Stringer's tenure has been winning support from Warner Bros. and Paramount Pictures for Sony's campaign to make Blu-ray the standard for next-generation DVD production despite those studios' initial backing of the rival HD-DVD format, backed by Toshiba.

    ...

    Although no money has changed hands and no major concessions were made, sources say that Sony has provided caps on Blu-ray disc manufacturing costs and timetable guarantees.

    Quote:
    "The reason Sony has suddenly gained support for Blu-ray is simple," said a high-level studio executive close to the discussions. "PS3 is a subsidized Blu-ray play that will sell 20 million units. The first HD player will be on the market for $1,000. PS3 could be at $300 or $400. Sony will be selling them at a loss the first six months to a year just to get Blu-ray players out in the market. So studios realize they need to have their content on it."

    Quote:
    Indeed, packaging Universal Media Discs of "Spider-Man 2" with the new PSP in March convinced Sony that its PlayStation franchise had the potential to be much more than a game player. The PS3 and portable new multimedia devices will feature original short-form content, Internet messaging and other functions.

    Quote:
    The promise of PS3 already has served as a catalyst for new business alliances for Sony. Comcast is in talks with Sony about ways it can joint venture on the PS3 and other Sony portable video devices to extend its brand into the wireless interactive space.

    Sony is discussing content search and management, advertising and other common ground alliance with Google and Yahoo!, which soon might begin paying to be the welcome screen on Sony's sleek Vaio laptop computers.

    Quote:
    A massive new marketing campaign is being spearheaded by newly appointed global marketing chief Andrew House to help reposition Sony in a brutally competitive marketplace by touting about a dozen of its top products, including the Bravia LCD TV, the next-generation Walkman, PS3, PSP, HDV Handycam, Sony Ericsson mobile phones and the Genesis digital camera system for studios created in cooperation with Panavision.

    (The new Bravia ad is pretty cool btw - if it's a sign of things to come that's a very good thing imo. you can see it here: http://www.bravia-advert.com/)

    Quote:
    In keeping with the PlayStation business model, PS3 will roll out at a loss for the first six months, then rapidly turn profits on game-license fees. PS3 will be bundled with a selection of preloaded films, TV programs and games and sell for between $300-$400.
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    • deejay8595
      Banned
      • May 2003
      • 775

      #3
      Re: Xbox 360 "Half the Price of PS3" by Late 2006

      Howard stringer interview

      PS3 will be bundled with a selection of preloaded films, TV programs and games and sell for between $300-$400.




      Default Article/Interview with Howard Stringer (some PS3 talk)
      "Stringer banking on HD strategy for Sony rebound"





      Quote:
      In a demonstration of the swift collaborative response to consumer-driven marketplace changes that a revitalized Sony can deliver, the company soon will unveil a line of compact, portable video devices to fill the time gap before PlayStation 3 launches in Japan in March and in the U.S. a year from now.

      Quote:
      An early strategic victory in Stringer's tenure has been winning support from Warner Bros. and Paramount Pictures for Sony's campaign to make Blu-ray the standard for next-generation DVD production despite those studios' initial backing of the rival HD-DVD format, backed by Toshiba.

      ...

      Although no money has changed hands and no major concessions were made, sources say that Sony has provided caps on Blu-ray disc manufacturing costs and timetable guarantees.

      Quote:
      "The reason Sony has suddenly gained support for Blu-ray is simple," said a high-level studio executive close to the discussions. "PS3 is a subsidized Blu-ray play that will sell 20 million units. The first HD player will be on the market for $1,000. PS3 could be at $300 or $400. Sony will be selling them at a loss the first six months to a year just to get Blu-ray players out in the market. So studios realize they need to have their content on it."

      Quote:
      Indeed, packaging Universal Media Discs of "Spider-Man 2" with the new PSP in March convinced Sony that its PlayStation franchise had the potential to be much more than a game player. The PS3 and portable new multimedia devices will feature original short-form content, Internet messaging and other functions.

      Quote:
      The promise of PS3 already has served as a catalyst for new business alliances for Sony. Comcast is in talks with Sony about ways it can joint venture on the PS3 and other Sony portable video devices to extend its brand into the wireless interactive space.

      Sony is discussing content search and management, advertising and other common ground alliance with Google and Yahoo!, which soon might begin paying to be the welcome screen on Sony's sleek Vaio laptop computers.

      Quote:
      A massive new marketing campaign is being spearheaded by newly appointed global marketing chief Andrew House to help reposition Sony in a brutally competitive marketplace by touting about a dozen of its top products, including the Bravia LCD TV, the next-generation Walkman, PS3, PSP, HDV Handycam, Sony Ericsson mobile phones and the Genesis digital camera system for studios created in cooperation with Panavision.

      (The new Bravia ad is pretty cool btw - if it's a sign of things to come that's a very good thing imo. you can see it here: http://www.bravia-advert.com/)

      Quote:
      In keeping with the PlayStation business model, PS3 will roll out at a loss for the first six months, then rapidly turn profits on game-license fees. PS3 will be bundled with a selection of preloaded films, TV programs and games and sell for between $300-$400.
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      • Fresh Tendrils
        Strike Hard and Fade Away
        • Jul 2002
        • 36131

        #4
        Re: Xbox 360 "Half the Price of PS3" by Late 2006

        I don't want "preloaded films and TV shows" on my gaming console.



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        • Skyboxer
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          • Jul 2002
          • 20302

          #5
          Re: Xbox 360 "Half the Price of PS3" by Late 2006

          Originally posted by ActLikeYouKnow8
          I don't want "preloaded films and TV shows" on my gaming console.

          Ditto...
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          • Bradley21
            Banned
            • Feb 2005
            • 304

            #6
            Re: Xbox 360 "Half the Price of PS3" by Late 2006

            Nor do I.

            But Sony has an exclusivity agreement with Rockstar Games which produces the GTA series and that alone is enough to make me buy a PS3 over an XBox.

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            • Erv
              MVP
              • Jul 2002
              • 2105

              #7
              Re: Xbox 360 "Half the Price of PS3" by Late 2006

              MS won't cut the price until absolute last resort, their entertainment sector is on fire for not making any money.

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              • NakaNaka
                S**c*d* P**l C*-Ch*mp**n
                • Oct 2002
                • 505

                #8
                Re: Xbox 360 "Half the Price of PS3" by Late 2006

                Originally posted by Bradley21
                Nor do I.

                But Sony has an exclusivity agreement with Rockstar Games which produces the GTA series and that alone is enough to make me buy a PS3 over an XBox.
                GTA games come out on Xbox, just several months after PS2/3.
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                • luv_mist
                  Older
                  • May 2004
                  • 9596

                  #9
                  Re: Xbox 360 "Half the Price of PS3" by Late 2006

                  How long is the exclusive deal with Rockstar anyhow? I always wondered about that joint on the real.

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                  • pfunk880
                    MVP
                    • Jul 2004
                    • 4452

                    #10
                    Re: Xbox 360 "Half the Price of PS3" by Late 2006

                    Good thing I'm waiting a little while to go next-gen. I'm gonna wait and see how all this pricing shakes out.
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                    • dagger55
                      No end in sight...
                      • Jul 2004
                      • 7907

                      #11
                      Re: Xbox 360 "Half the Price of PS3" by Late 2006

                      Originally posted by luv_mist
                      How long is the exclusive deal with Rockstar anyhow? I always wondered about that joint on the real.
                      i thought the deal expired with the last gta game they released....

                      maybe i was wrong....

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                      • Fresh Tendrils
                        Strike Hard and Fade Away
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 36131

                        #12
                        Re: Xbox 360 "Half the Price of PS3" by Late 2006

                        Originally posted by dagger55
                        i thought the deal expired with the last gta game they released....

                        maybe i was wrong....
                        I was thinking the same thing.



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                        • kodiak
                          Itsy Bitsy Spider
                          • Jul 2003
                          • 4288

                          #13
                          Re: Xbox 360 "Half the Price of PS3" by Late 2006

                          Originally posted by dagger55
                          i thought the deal expired with the last gta game they released....

                          maybe i was wrong....

                          you sir are correct. San Andreas was the last one in the agreement
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                          • MachoMyers
                            Old School
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 7670

                            #14
                            Re: Xbox 360 "Half the Price of PS3" by Late 2006

                            My only concern is if I buy an XBox 360 that will be it for me, no other systems.

                            That means I may never be able to play MGS 4, Tekken 6, or the Smackdown series...Thats a lot to handle.

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                            • luv_mist
                              Older
                              • May 2004
                              • 9596

                              #15
                              Re: Xbox 360 "Half the Price of PS3" by Late 2006

                              Originally posted by DreBly
                              My only concern is if I buy an XBox 360 that will be it for me, no other systems.

                              That means I may never be able to play MGS 4, Tekken 6, or the Smackdown series...Thats a lot to handle.
                              I seriously thought the same way too but after seeing a few of the games, I realized that both systems will come out with some great exclusive games that I don't want to pass up. I don't care which is more powerful after 20 years. I'm definitely going to have three next-gen systems come 2008 if my job allows.

                              Originally posted by kodiak
                              you sir are correct. San Andreas was the last one in the agreement
                              You sir have just given me something to inquire about. I think that Rockstar might be working on a multi-platform game for release which would be great. I wish they'd upgrade those graphics a bit though. I'm very curious to see what it's looking like. Rockstar closed this week kind of low on the Stock Market. Definitely figure they're going to the drawing board and working on something.......
                              Last edited by luv_mist; 11-03-2005, 12:11 AM.

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