ATI Says PS3 Is 'Unrefined'

[Admiral50]

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Where do you get your information from?.

From the mouths of the developers actually.

[sdrotar]

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From the mouths of the developers actually.

Hey, me too!

[Casino]

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the user comments are great.

[jmood88]

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From the mouths of the developers actually.

SO who told you that most of the 360 demos were CGI?

[luv_mist]

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I think it's hard to judge the 360 power right now.

I just hope that the games really were rushed because when you hear from the devs that Perfect Dark used one core simply for the physics and Condemned and COD used seperate cores for the A.I. alone, you have to be worried where the rest of the power went.

COD looks 'pretty good' but nothing mind blowing or redefining.
Condemned looks nice (similar to FEAR on PC) yet has a pretty bad frame rate and some low poly models.
Perfect Dark is just bad overall.
I won't even mention EA's 360 junk...

Then I read that Gears of War (which excluding the future Halo 3, seems to be the only thing that will prove the 360's power and really kick it into next gen) is using all 3 cores and as much power as possible yet they are aiming for 30 fps. That's worrying. To me anyway.

Oh and on the whole Killzone 2 thing... it's no different to EA's CG they threw out for the 360 video's, claiming they were real and (NBA Live's first, 'fake' video at least) being playable. In fact, much of the 360 footage at E3 was CG/cutscenes.

But, all of that aside, if the PS3 does launch with Killzone 2 looking the same as that video, then the 360 is in deep trouble.

SO who told you that most of the 360 demos were CGI?

Uh Oh....I think someone is about to get embarassed. I wonder who.......

[countryboy]

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and so it continues.....

[Admiral50]

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Uh Oh....I think someone is about to get embarassed. I wonder who.......

Umm, maybe you two...

Firstly, you obviously don't remember the early vids for many 360 games. Secondly, quite a few of them are now out and released (or shown in confirmed playable form).
Anyone with half a brain can tell what was real and what wasn't.

Then we have stuff like (browses through my old E3 vids on my HD...) the first Ghost Recon 360 video confirmed to be a CG artists impression, stuff like 99 Nights, a few early clips of PGR, most of the Perfect Dark first screens weren't close to the junk that was released, Tiger Woods, Madden, Live, Need for Speed, Fifa - all CG for the first few vids (which is interesting given many of these titles were the kickstart to the 360 media and advertising and we know how they all turned out in the end...), the first video of The Outfit was all CG, one of the GTA clone games was CG, Too Human... I guess the list could go on.

I'm not saying either Sony or MS are worse than each other - or even bad for showing CG. Especially when a company wants to show the concept of their game yet hasn't got anything real up yet, so of course you'd want to see a quick impression.

Yet too many of you are taking obvious sides here and attacking Sony, almost as if you're jealous and hoping the PS3 isn't actually capably of achieving that Killzone 2 video. Because as I said, many 360 games were shown in the same way. End of story.

Now who is the embarassed one?

[Lintyfresh85]

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I just love these enhanced , updated for the age group "My Dad can kick your dad's butt" discussions.

Anyways:
I own the 360, I'll own the PS3 and I'll own the Revolution because each will deliver something different I like. Here's hoping all three deliver true gaming bliss.

Exactly, just like I did with the last console cycle I'll get all 3 major platforms. It's a shame that certain posters have a clear bias for one console over the other. BTW, I'm a little confused on Revolution, do you get all the old games for free, or do you have to pay for the games?

[Skyboxer]

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Exactly, just like I did with the last console cycle I'll get all 3 major platforms. It's a shame that certain posters have a clear bias for one console over the other. BTW, I'm a little confused on Revolution, do you get all the old games for free, or do you have to pay for the games?

Yeah I figured I wouldn't get involved so I deleted my post. My New Years resolution is to just let things go. I'm just getting so tired of "wars".
I believe they will have different packages for the old games. None free I don't think.

[jmood88]

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Umm, maybe you two...

Firstly, you obviously don't remember the early vids for many 360 games. Secondly, quite a few of them are now out and released (or shown in confirmed playable form).
Anyone with half a brain can tell what was real and what wasn't.

Then we have stuff like (browses through my old E3 vids on my HD...) the first Ghost Recon 360 video confirmed to be a CG artists impression, stuff like 99 Nights, a few early clips of PGR, most of the Perfect Dark first screens weren't close to the junk that was released, Tiger Woods, Madden, Live, Need for Speed, Fifa - all CG for the first few vids (which is interesting given many of these titles were the kickstart to the 360 media and advertising and we know how they all turned out in the end...), the first video of The Outfit was all CG, one of the GTA clone games was CG, Too Human... I guess the list could go on.

I'm not saying either Sony or MS are worse than each other - or even bad for showing CG. Especially when a company wants to show the concept of their game yet hasn't got anything real up yet, so of course you'd want to see a quick impression.

Yet too many of you are taking obvious sides here and attacking Sony, almost as if you're jealous and hoping the PS3 isn't actually capably of achieving that Killzone 2 video. Because as I said, many 360 games were shown in the same way. End of story.

Now who is the embarassed one?

I remember the videos perfectly and the only one's that could've been cg were the ghost recon one and the 99 nights. Can you please post a link saying that all the games that you listed were cg? Everything that I heard about those games said that they were real time. You are the first person I have seen say that Too Human and most of the other 360 games shown were cg.

[sdrotar]

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I'm not saying either Sony or MS are worse than each other - or even bad for showing CG. Especially when a company wants to show the concept of their game yet hasn't got anything real up yet, so of course you'd want to see a quick impression.

Yet too many of you are taking obvious sides here and attacking Sony, almost as if you're jealous and hoping the PS3 isn't actually capably of achieving that Killzone 2 video. Because as I said, many 360 games were shown in the same way. End of story.

Now who is the embarassed one?

Let's stick to facts here, please.
At least in my case - the difference at this year's E3 was that I played Xbox 360 games at the Microsoft booth with my own hands. Sony told people directly that the demo movie they were shown was created on PS3 hardware - that was simply untrue, and they have folks like you excited over an intentional falsehood.
That's unfair to you, and that's what bothers me.

I hope the PS3 can make KillZone look like the CGI, not PS3-rendered movie they showed. I'm just not counting on it. And even if they do - it still doesn't excuse their misrepresentation and blatant disrespect for their own consumers at E3.

As far as embarassed or jealous? I sincerely hope you weren't referring to me - because if you're claiming that I have any bias towards any corporation, then you haven't been around here long enough.

I have one "bias" - I'm 100% pro-consumer.
That's why I've been working here for free every day for almost four years.

[HMcCoy]

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That's why I've been working here for free every day for almost four years.

Free!? What about all that national TV exposure? Your acting/modeling career got a huge jumpstart...

[sdrotar]

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Free!? What about all that national TV exposure? Your acting/modeling career got a huge jumpstart...

Really? I thought that got it killed it off for good...

[jmood88]

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Let's stick to facts here, please.
At least in my case - the difference at this year's E3 was that I played Xbox 360 games at the Microsoft booth with my own hands. Sony told people directly that the demo movie they were shown was created on PS3 hardware - that was simply untrue, and they have folks like you excited over an intentional falsehood.
That's unfair to you, and that's what bothers me.

I hope the PS3 can make KillZone look like the CGI, not PS3-rendered movie they showed. I'm just not counting on it. And even if they do - it still doesn't excuse their misrepresentation and blatant disrespect for their own consumers at E3.

As far as embarassed or jealous? I sincerely hope you weren't referring to me - because if you're claiming that I have any bias towards any corporation, then you haven't been around here long enough.

I have one "bias" - I'm 100% pro-consumer.
That's why I've been working here for free every day for almost four years.

I think he was talking to me which doesn't make sense anyway because I have no reason to be jealous of a system. If I want it, then I'll buy it.

[countryboy]

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and continues....