Sony trounces Microsoft and Nintendo in brand trust survey

[aholbert32]

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I think it has to do with the companies as a whole. And I mean Nintendo is primarily Videogames is it not? Is it not in the survey? Consumer electronics is a console.

True but if you go up to the average person and say what do you think of when I say the word "Sony", they will say TV's, Walkman, Playstation. If you ask the same question using Microsoft, most will say "computers". If you say Nintendo, they will say "games".

My point is most people probably arent thinking about videogames when they did this survey.

[aholbert32]

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That makes perfect sense right? So I buy a 81 Chevy Impala, I shouldn't necessarily expect to get good support for fixing it huh?

If you buy an 81 impala, you should expect the old parts that fixed the car to be available. You shouldnt expect Chevy to create new and improved parts to fix it. Its that simple.

[luv_mist]

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No one was talking about you personally. I was refering to the hypothetical person you made up who couldnt afford an Xbox until this year. I've had game systems all of my life (I'm 28) and I bought everyone...with the exception of the NES. I wasnt rich. I worked...saved up and bought it. The Xbox has been under 200 bucks for like 2 yrs+. So if it takes a person 2 yrs to save up for it...then new games coming out for the system is the least of your problems. If it takes you 2 yrs+ to save 150 bucks then you probably wont be able to afford 1 game a year and if thats the case then the lack of Xbox support really doesnt effect you.

I understand where you're coming from with your aspect but you have to remember that a lot of people are just getting into video games once again. Lack of new things for the system are going to kill the fan base for the system. I personally like M$ but they have some shifty practices too. It's not only the average man picking on them. Their games that they have coming out aren't worth a purchase. Honestly, if I'm a gamer, a XBOX 360 is not the system i'mgoing to be looking to getting. Especially if it's not compatible with a lot of the old games like other systems.

I hope I'm not causing conflict or anything. Just a nice healthy argument within sensible maturity. I appreciate your thoughts aholbert32. Keep on flowing.......

[mgoblue]

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That makes perfect sense right? So I buy a 81 Chevy Impala, I shouldn't necessarily expect to get good support for fixing it huh?

you don't get good support for older cars...mechanics have to scrounge junkyards and stuff for parts that will work, so I'm missing your point here.

[luv_mist]

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you don't get good support for older cars...mechanics have to scrounge junkyards and stuff for parts that will work, so I'm missing your point here.

Okay, bad example. Ya'll come up with one. I was struggling with thoughts. Honestly though, the dealership will fix it for you with new parts or refurbished parts I believe. Yeah, that's my point. The cars are still being supported by new/refurbished parts. Support beyond the years.......

IN CHICAGO, you can get good support and parts. Forgot to throw that in there.......

[Flawless]

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No doubt Sony has some great stuff.

[aholbert32]

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I understand where you're coming from with your aspect but you have to remember that a lot of people are just getting into video games once again. Lack of new things for the system are going to kill the fan base for the system. I personally like M$ but they have some shifty practices too. It's not only the average man picking on them. Their games that they have coming out aren't worth a purchase. Honestly, if I'm a gamer, a XBOX 360 is not the system i'mgoing to be looking to getting. Especially if it's not compatible with a lot of the old games like other systems.

I hope I'm not causing conflict or anything. Just a nice healthy argument within sensible maturity. I appreciate your thoughts aholbert32. Keep on flowing.......

I know you werent trying to cause conflict. This is just a discussion. I think the problem is that most people dont think like a business. If i'm Bill Gates, I would move on from the XBOX because its been 5 yrs and im still losing money on it. Sony is making a profit on the PS2 so it makes common and financial sense to keep supporting it. The Xbox isnt so why keep throwing money away.

If I'm Bill Gates, I turn all of my attention towards the 360 which could cut into Sony's market share and make money for the company down the line (especially if the PS3 is $500 bucks or more). As for there not being games worth purchase, I would have to disagree. Try Oblivion, PGR3, GRAW and a few others.

Finally, If I'm Bill Gates, I could care less about BC because in the end it doesnt matter much. Lack of BC didnt stop the demand for the 360 earlier this year and it wont lessen the demand now. It will help the PS3 but I promise you that BC is way down on the list of demands of people interested in buying a next gen system.

Now as a consumer, I'm pissed that they dont have BC and that they wont make any more xbox games after this year. Now as a businessman I understand.

[burnwood]

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Did you read luv_mist's post? This is his quote:

"This very thing reminds me of the XBOX that they just abandoned. Those who finally had the time and money to buy one are basically left in the cold of mediocrity due to the lack of support Microsoft will have for that system."

That statement is saying that MS is wrong for pulling full support for the XBOX because there are people who recently bought the system (5 yrs after it was released) and they will be left in the cold. My point is you get what you pay for. You wait 5 yrs to get a system (because of money or any reason) you run the risk of buying a system that doesnt have the full support anymore.

Yeah I read it. And I understood the sentiment. The point was that gamers aren't necessarily poor or have to save $150 to buy a console a few years after launch. Some gamers just want the dust to settle before plunking down cash to play games. And so the relation to the topic about brand trust, this is a reason probably why Sony's trust will be higher than Microsoft's in the console arena.

[inkcil]

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Umm, I didn't have to "save up 150" to buy my XBox years later. I just waited until everything settled. Now, as luv_mist points out, Microsoft is dropping support for XBox. The same support that is needed to enable longevity on Microsoft's console platforms. You can't just make a console and in 6 years drop everything and move on with hopes on being successful.

Didn't the PSOne just stop being supported this year?!?!

I'm sorry, but the poor card doesn't work in this instance.

It's the same reason why i've traded in my xbox (thorugh Circuit City) for a PS2 and part of the reason why I don't mind waiting for the PS3 before I head into the next-gen. Not smart gaming business, IMO by MS. I already started a thread w/my opinion on it. The xbox was good in the shortrun, but in the long run, I now see the PS2 would have been a better gaming investment b/c of Sony's support for it's platform. But heindsight is 20-20.

On MS overall, I bought my sister and girl video ipods and they love them. And I just bought an apple - it's great (once u figure the darned thing out). So overall I give MS 2 out of 3 stars.

[inkcil]

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I know you werent trying to cause conflict. This is just a discussion. I think the problem is that most people dont think like a business. If i'm Bill Gates, I would move on from the XBOX because its been 5 yrs and im still losing money on it. Sony is making a profit on the PS2 so it makes common and financial sense to keep supporting it. The Xbox isnt so why keep throwing money away.

If I'm Bill Gates, I turn all of my attention towards the 360 which could cut into Sony's market share and make money for the company down the line (especially if the PS3 is $500 bucks or more). As for there not being games worth purchase, I would have to disagree. Try Oblivion, PGR3, GRAW and a few others.

Finally, If I'm Bill Gates, I could care less about BC because in the end it doesnt matter much. Lack of BC didnt stop the demand for the 360 earlier this year and it wont lessen the demand now. It will help the PS3 but I promise you that BC is way down on the list of demands of people interested in buying a next gen system.

Now as a consumer, I'm pissed that they dont have BC and that they wont make any more xbox games after this year. Now as a businessman I understand.

And that last sentence you worte is what luv_mist, myself and others are talking about. Heck, it might make good business sense for a broke pimp to walk up to me on the street and slap me with a powdered glove (and right before Jessica Alba is about give me her digits)- but I'm still going to be pissed about it.

And business-wise, from a consumer standpoint, all Bill Gates is doing is pushing me towards Sony b/c he is showing me that he doesn't support his products to the fullest (which may/or may not be one piece of the puzzle why Xbox isn't making a profit now). Why should I buy his 360 if I have a sour taste in my mouth about his last console when a comparable next-gen console is coming out w/in the year? I'll just wait for the competiton to make their product available. So in my scenario, his whole business-plan just backfired big time. I know I am just one person, but recent media has shown that gaming executives have voiced similar concerns about how MS is handling the Box.

[aholbert32]

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And business-wise, from a consumer standpoint, all Bill Gates is doing is pushing me towards Sony b/c he is showing me that he doesn't support his products to the fullest (which may/or may not be one piece of the puzzle why Xbox isn't making a profit now). Why should I buy his 360 if I have a sour taste in my mouth about his last console when a comparable next-gen console is coming out w/in the year? I'll just wait for the competiton to make their product available. So in my scenario, his whole business-plan just backfired big time. I know I am just one person, but recent media has shown that gaming executives have voiced similar concerns about how MS is handling the Box.

Gaming execs but not the public. The 360 has been out for 4 mos and they still cant keep them in the stores. Most people dont have a sour taste in their mouth and are more than willing to move on to the next system.

[roadman]

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My first gaming system was TV Pong. I then grauduated to Atari 2600, NES and the Sega Genesis. I was 14 years old with Pong, 20 with Atari, 27 with NES and 32 with Sega and now we (family) own a 360.

Between the Sega and 360, we had 3 children.

All my life, I've seen technology develop and be replaced by new technology. Oversized microwave ovens and caluculators that you carried in 2 hands. The new technology came out with smaller microwaves and hand held calculators. I've seen typewriters replaced by a keyboard and Word, walky talky's replaced by IMing. How about eight tracks replaced by albums, albums and cassettes replaced by cd's. I recall when cd's first came out, cassettes and albums were in a tiny corner and the cd's dominated the shelf space. Record companies forced us to buy cd players. Same with the movie industry. Once DVD's came out, very small shelf life for VHS.

My dad is a perfect example. Yesterday was his birthday, he asked for a cheap DVD player. He's been one of those who still uses and records on VHS. He asked me if Blockbuster carries VHS anymore. I just chuckled and said, no.

It's not only business changing, it's the public changing as well. For me, price will from now on be the bottomline for me. I'm married to an accountant with 3 kids. Double whammy, there. Also, I'm never one to stand behind a company with a product. We have a Potiac van and a Hyuandi in the garage. Look at all the different brands of gaming machines I've had. We have a JVC stereo receiver and JVC speakers, a Toshiba DVD player and a Sylvania TV.

As Pearl Jam said, it's evolution, baby. We all have choices to make. I used to just play PC games until recently. I was so disappointed that I couldn't play Madden on my TNT RIVA 64 vid card anymore that I was blaming everyone but myself for not upgrading. EA took the brunt of my blaming period.

I know the reason for Sony for being high on the trust list is the brand name itself. If you look at their stock price, you'd see a different story.

[luv_mist]

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Gaming execs but not the public. The 360 has been out for 4 mos and they still cant keep them in the stores. Most people dont have a sour taste in their mouth and are more than willing to move on to the next system.

BUT, the PS3 and the Revolution aren't out as of yet. And it's doing horrible overseas in the place where they wanted to dent the most. I have not cluse what that point was, but I just had to keep this discussion alive.

Oh, I remember a little. Now, M$ quick abandonment of their system will kind of push others away. I am a sucker for quality now. XBOX to me was better than the PS2 in more ways, but those things that the PS2 did right just trumped the XBOX. It's kind of like XBOX forced me to continue my business with Sony. Not a bad thing. The variety does good I guess. Just wish that XBOX would have increased the current gen competition and even came out with some more first-party hits.

[aholbert32]

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BUT, the PS3 and the Revolution aren't out as of yet. And it's doing horrible overseas in the place where they wanted to dent the most. I have not cluse what that point was, but I just had to keep this discussion alive.

Its not doing horrible in Europe. Its just doing bad in Japan where it was expected to do bad.

Also, if so many people were upset about the business practices of MS, they would have waited a year and bought a PS3 or Revolution. My point is while people may not agree with how they handled support for the XBOX, plenty of people still purchased and want to purchase the 360.

[DXZeke]

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Well so long as you know it's all hype then it shouldn't faze you too much. I have an original PS2 and it's still kickin to this day. I don't think many original Xboxes have had that kind of shelf life.

my PS2 died after 2yrs.. like completely dead.
my 2nd PS2 is still alive.

my original launch XBox is still kicking.

it's just random luck.