Civilization V

[Whitesox]

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Nice post Whitesox.

I like the screenshot. Boy are you multitasking. lol

I think you should definitely go into Berlin and take that capital. It's right there for the taking. Berlin is a 15 city and looking at Egypts other cities it seems like the capital would be a larger city than 15.

Heh, not really multitasking, just listening to music and playing full screen. I had some stuff running in the background.

Anyway, I wound up doing that, then took Egypt, and then went across the ocean to take out Russia and America, and therefore won the game via domination.

I moved up a difficulty level for my next game, as that was really easy.

[TracerBullet]

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What game speed do you guys use mostly? Standard, ****, etc?

[bergie56]

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Can anyone suggest a video card at or under $100 that can run this game decently?

[MeanMrMustard]

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What game speed do you guys use mostly? Standard, ****, etc?

I really liked **** on civ 4, but it seems a tad slow on this game. Could be that I just need to get used to it, though.

Here's a pretty comprehensive strategy guide I found if anyone's interested. It's helped me a lot.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=382233

[Cusefan]

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The Diplomacy makes this game kinda boring later on. The game is fun as heck in the first 300 turns(E pic) then it just gets slow and boring. The problem for me is the Diplomacy, The game starts off with 12 players, then after about 300 turns 4-6 of those Civs have been conquored. Then the game just gets stale, No one declares war on eachother, everyone just becomes isolationists and maintains the status quo. I am on track to win with a Culture Victory but I am just so bored with this game I am just going to go for a Domination Victory.

This games Needs Colonies, revolutions, Civil Wars, leaders like Hitler, and More incentive to go to take over another country. The Naval Combat is absurd too, If Real life was based on Civ V rules, the Battle of Midway would still be raging to this day.

I just read the Review from 1UP, it is absolutely spot on. He absolutely nails exactly what is wrong with this game.http://www.1up.com/do/reviewPage?pag...cId=3181540&p=

[TracerBullet]

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The Diplomacy makes this game kinda boring later on. The game is fun as heck in the first 300 turns(E pic) then it just gets slow and boring. The problem for me is the Diplomacy, The game starts off with 12 players, then after about 300 turns 4-6 of those Civs have been conquored. Then the game just gets stale, No one declares war on eachother, everyone just becomes isolationists and maintains the status quo. I am on track to win with a Culture Victory but I am just so bored with this game I am just going to go for a Domination Victory.

This games Needs Colonies, revolutions, Civil Wars, leaders like Hitler, and More incentive to go to take over another country.

I agree with this. My last game I just completed with 8 teams on standard. I took out the Iroquois, but no one else fell. I was pretty much allied with Germany and Siam who happened to grow into the most powerful nations alongside me. Siam pretty much destoryed Askia, but they never actually did. Germany only attacked a City-State. Everyone else did no fighting at all. Kind of lame. Going to jump into another one a little later though. I may try out the economy mod as well. Kinda sucks not having the cash to upgrade your units later on.

[donkey33]

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The Diplomacy makes this game kinda boring later on. The game is fun as heck in the first 300 turns(E pic) then it just gets slow and boring. The problem for me is the Diplomacy, The game starts off with 12 players, then after about 300 turns 4-6 of those Civs have been conquored. Then the game just gets stale, No one declares war on eachother, everyone just becomes isolationists and maintains the status quo. I am on track to win with a Culture Victory but I am just so bored with this game I am just going to go for a Domination Victory.

This games Needs Colonies, revolutions, Civil Wars, leaders like Hitler, and More incentive to go to take over another country. The Naval Combat is absurd too, If Real life was based on Civ V rules, the Battle of Midway would still be raging to this day.

I just read the Review from 1UP, it is absolutely spot on. He absolutely nails exactly what is wrong with this game.http://www.1up.com/do/reviewPage?pag...cId=3181540&p=

Yeah, read that review just yesterday and he's spot on. This games needs a few patches and expansions.

I had a crack for the first time yesterday for an hour or so but I didn't enjoy it at all. Just found myself clicking next turn without looking or worrying about anything.

I guess it just confuses me how dev companies can have a successful game and then try to reinvent the wheel and drop great features from the previous iteration. My gut feeling after Civ IV would be that it'd include all the great points from Civ IV and improve on the areas that lacked. Maybe add in another feature or three but remove a ton of the previous game and what the expansion packs brought? Confusing.

I'll give it another run just because but I'll most likely stick this on the shelf for a good 12 months and wait for patches and expansion packs which will hopefully improve the experience.

[Cusefan]

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Yeah, read that review just yesterday and he's spot on. This games needs a few patches and expansions.

I had a crack for the first time yesterday for an hour or so but I didn't enjoy it at all. Just found myself clicking next turn without looking or worrying about anything.

I guess it just confuses me how dev companies can have a successful game and then try to reinvent the wheel and drop great features from the previous iteration. My gut feeling after Civ IV would be that it'd include all the great points from Civ IV and improve on the areas that lacked. Maybe add in another feature or three but remove a ton of the previous game and what the expansion packs brought? Confusing.

I'll give it another run just because but I'll most likely stick this on the shelf for a good 12 months and wait for patches and expansion packs which will hopefully improve the experience.

Give me Civ IV with Civ V combat and I will be all set.

[donkey33]

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Yeah, good point. That is definitely a decent area in Civ V.

I think (hope) it'll get to that level one day but it'll probably take years to release all expansions getting it to the Civ IV level.

Again, why they strip them down is beyond me so for now, I'll be sticking to Civ IV and the RoM mod.

[Cusefan]

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When Thinking of this game, I cannot help but think about Madden 06 for Xbox 360. Like when Madden was released, it has been basically stripped down and simplified. Sure it has shiny new graphics and some new features but the meat and potatoes have been removed. The main Problem with Civ V is in its core, some aspects of this game are so fundamentally wrong it may never be fixed. The problems I speak of are the Victory Conditions(you can buy a diplomatic victory), AI(cannot fight a war to save their lives), Diplomacy(the AI is just insane), and lots of other bugs littered throughout te game.

It isnt just You dont like Civ V because it isnt Civ IV, Civ V is just fundamentally flawed. The Combat in Civ IV may have been simple, but the AI at least knew what they were doing. In V, the AI does not know how to fight, their tactics get them killed 95% of the time. I am so dissapointed in this game, it really is sad as this game may never get fixed because its problems are so bad.

[donkey33]

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Totally agree.

I just finished my first full game. Normal difficulty (can't remember the name), pangea map, **** speed.

It was just boring and reminded me of how many things are missing from Civ IV that I liked. The leaders have no personality, the AI sucks and whilst combat is better, combine it with the AI and it's no challenge. I loved knowing some Civ's were spiritual or I was sharing a border with Ghengis who loves a fight.

Speaking of diplomacy, it sucks big time. The Ottomans came to me with a pact against the Egyptians. I agreed. As the game went on, I was mucking around expanding into other territory and get warnings. I agree to stop but keep going. I do this to a few others Civ's as well thinking I'd annoy them and they'd declare war but they never do (didn't even have a strong army either). I loved the + and - system. Here I have no idea. Four+ nations come at different times making fun of my city state Civ (even when I'm bigger) and then a few turns later, wanting to sign a pact of some sort. Huh?

City states are borderline ok but not needed. Benefits are too high and all I need to do is pay and I have favour. Barbarian camps were better as barbarian cities in Civ 4. Now it's just an easy gold collect each time as they spawn a ton and it fills my coffers.

Social policy is ugh. Don't like it at all. I've ranted enough though. It's so simplistic now, dumbed down and bare that like you said, I'm afraid they won't be able to save this one. Not that I'll complain as I enjoy Civ IV a lot (bar the stacks of doom at times).

[MeanMrMustard]

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Speaking of diplomacy, it sucks big time. The Ottomans came to me with a pact against the Egyptians. I agreed. As the game went on, I was mucking around expanding into other territory and get warnings. I agree to stop but keep going. I do this to a few others Civ's as well thinking I'd annoy them and they'd declare war but they never do (didn't even have a strong army either). I loved the + and - system. Here I have no idea. Four+ nations come at different times making fun of my city state Civ (even when I'm bigger) and then a few turns later, wanting to sign a pact of some sort. Huh?

Nice post. This is my biggest complaint so far. In my last game I was buds with Bismarck for a while, even went to war with him against Elizabeth and wiped her out completely. Then I get a couple messages from him about how he was annoyed about where I was expanding, but I didn't think it was a big deal. Next thing I know, he's going to war against me. Diplomacy in IV was too easy at times, and I felt there were a lot of exploits and ways to cheat the AI, but at least you knew where you stood with your relationships.

And religions in IV left a lot to be desired in how they were implemented, but they did add a nice element to diplomacy. In this game, short of bribing people, there's just not a lot going on in early game diplomacy, except pacts of secrecy.. and I haven't really figured out what those even do, in a practical sense.

[donkey33]

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Yeah, the AI is just not up to it.

Above I posted I'd completed my first full game but I was right at the end. Finishing up the last few turns now and it probably got worse towards the end.

It just seems like there is no system and nothing I do makes any Civ want to go to war. Against the larger Egyptians, I used two culture bombs on the border and stole their gold and silver, get a message that I'm threatening war only to have them come to me a few turns later wanting to sign a co-op.

We were friends with the Arabs the entire game really. If this was Civ IV, no doubt we'd have a 10+ in the positive for relations when out of nowhere, they message me calling my Civ a pack or barbarians, lol. They have no personalities.

One thing that I found really laughable was a section of combat. The Arabs were trying to take down a Japanese city. Picture this. Four Arab units on on hexes waiting to go into battle. One Arab unit (riflemen) in battle on a hex, next to a trading post (Japan) which was next to the city (all in a horizontal line). Riflemen unit sits outside the trading post whilst the Japanese city bombards them until death. One of the four Arab units replaces the riflemen unit on the outskirts of the city and sits there so the city can bombard them to death. The Arabs restock the surrounding hexes so when a unit dies, they replace. Rinse and repeat.

They don't move, attack or anything. They do nothing. I watch for so many turns 10+ Arab units fall to a Japanese city with no defender and no units in site because they didn't attack. Combat AI massively flawed.

[USF11]

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What sucks is your almost forced to chose Military, Culture, or Tech. Its hard to build a rounded society.

Then other things annoy me like Longswordsmen dominating the game thru riflemen.

[Cusefan]

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Civilization V Has No Soul

Without this random but inescapable equalizer, Civilization V is less about synthesizing history and more about perfecting history in a vacuum that excludes one of its biggest challenges: the seductive power of personality and the inability to pass it on even through blood relations.

http://pc.ign.com/articles/112/1128430p1.html

Perfectly sums up the main problem with Civ V. Could not have said it better myself.