Call of Duty: Black Ops

[Fresh Tendrils]

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Rebel, what game mode(s) are you playing and where is the rest of your team when you're respawning?

[SinisterAlex]

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I know I'm not the only one finding these problems. Just because you don't have a problem with them doesn't mean nobody else does. I mean come on. I respawn and there are dudes already behind me before I even move? This problem wasn't in MW2. At least not that I'm aware of. I went to 10th prestige on that game and never saw that problem. Any idea when the patch is gonna be released?

If it's gonna take them a while to release it then I don't wanna wait. I'd rather trade it in now, get the 30 or 35 bucks for it and get something else.

Hmmm to each his own I guess. This game is 100x better than MW2 ever was for me. But I guess everyone is entitled to their opinions.

[King10Sooted]

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Hmmm to each his own I guess. This game is 100x better than MW2 ever was for me. But I guess everyone is entitled to their opinions.

Im with you. This game seems so much better to me too. It isnt perfect, but I think that they will fix the spawning and there really isnt much else that I have noticed.

[Feared]

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Servers were terrible tonight.

Supposedly Treyarch is putting out a patch on Friday that is supposed to improve matchmaking, and will iron out the connection issues by searching for games that will give you the best connections.

[rspencer86]

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Supposedly Treyarch is putting out a patch on Friday that is supposed to improve matchmaking, and will iron out the connection issues by searching for games that will give you the best connections.

Good to hear.

[Steel5]

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Hmmm to each his own I guess. This game is 100x better than MW2 ever was for me. But I guess everyone is entitled to their opinions.

I rip MW2 all the time, and I believe it to be the worst multiplayer COD game, but you can't deny that it has a great spawning system. It is by far the best spawning system in a COD game.

I really like Black Ops. It is by far the more balanced COD game, and the more skill-based game since COD4, maybe even more than COD, and at this point for me personally (like you said to each his own), the spawn system is completely game breaking on certain gametypes and maps. Some of the spawn cycles that happen in this game are inexcusable. I don't understand how they didn't see this in playtesting. If that and the server issues get fixed soon though, I will be playing this COD for a long time.

[DickDalewood]

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I would say it would be pretty easy to not see during testing considering I'm up to a rank 30 with around 15 hours of play time and have yet to be spawn killed even once.

[TracerBullet]

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Last night a level 1 guy went 0-39 on Firing Range during a HQ match. You figure after going 0-25 he would of raged quit. I felt bad for him lol.

Wow! I just don't understand how you can get no kills if you're trying. I think my worst game was like 3-15 and that's with me running around with a ballistic knife. Seems like that just come to you eventually at least one lol.

How long does it take for videos to show up online? I uploaded one at like 4:30 and it's still not up .

[Aggies7]

Servers were terrible tonight.

Agreed tried playing 3 times and it sucked so I just shut it off.

[sven]

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I am back in town and trying to get to the bottom of the spawning issues.

Let me explain how spawning generally works. The spawn system is trying to pick the best spawn from all the available spots. Each spawn has a "score" or "rating" that is constantly being modified based on what is going on around that spawn. Many things can impact the rating of a spawn.

For example, a teammate who recently died would temporarily lower the value of a spawn. Spawns in the path of a Napalm strike should have their values lowered significantly. Etc., all. The complete list of things that modify the value of a spawn is large.

No spawn can ever by 100% eliminated as a choice, because we have to spawn you even if it is less than ideal. It's unfortunate when you spawn directly in front of someone like this video shows (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OI2CtQHgmNA). That shouldn't happen.

During development, we had the spawns running with a low error rate. 98 to 99% of the time for most maps (small maps like Nuketown are an exception) when you spawned you were not killed or injured or able to injure someone within 3 seconds of spawning. The game was instrumented and we were logging this. Our spawn debug tools are the best they have ever been, so I'm disappointed and want to see if we can sort this out.

Please don't bother linking in Nuketown videos. That map is too small to use as the basis for evaluating what is wrong. Use Summit, Launch or Radiation.

The videos are helpful but they just show one bad spawn. They don't help us understand why that spawn point was chosen by the game over another. In order to get to the bottom of that, I need to see "the big picture" of what is going on in the entirety of the map. Please make your video as detailed as possible. Freeze time. Show us the entire map. Were killstreaks in the sky? Where are they aiming. Show me all the players from both teams and any skull (recently deceased friendly) icons.

Hopefully, that makes sense.

For our part, we have re-enabled the spawn logging (this is only something we can do in development, not on the live servers, unfortunately) and are now building up a match library so we can evaluate further.

Please remember what I said before. If we can find and reproduce the steps that causes the error we can fix it.

David 'Vahn' Vonderhaar

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[Steel5]

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I was playing a domination match earlier today and I was capping a territory and an enemy player spawned 5 feet away from me exactly where I was looking, facing away from me. I let out a large sigh before I gunned him down.

[TracerBullet]

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Summit is the worst spawning map imo. Nuketown was understandable why spawns are bad because there aren't many places to go. Hopefully they can figure something out, unless this is how they intended it to be. I hope not .

[R3BeL]

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Rebel, what game mode(s) are you playing and where is the rest of your team when you're respawning?

TDM, Capture the Flag and Headquarters. The rest of my team is generally on the other side of the map. Which is where I should respawn.

[SinisterAlex]

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Good to see that Treyarch is aware of spawn issues and they're working to sort it out!

[sven]

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Just downloaded a 23MB patch on the PS3.