Modern Warfare 3 PS3/360

[Tyrant8RDFL]

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What happened was everyone who actually mattered at IW quit 2 years ago and this game was made by Zombie IW and two other teams in different locations.

I'll still take it over boring *** COD 4 though.

I can't take a game that rewards you for playing bad or having a bad connection. Where COD4
you had to be good to matter, and in COD4 it was more about gun on gun fights, not all these kill streaks we have now.

MW3 has really watered things down , and his leave may be more of a reflection of how the complaining continues to grow with every version that is released.

He may be a real cool guy on a personal level. I'm speaking strictly on the decisions he has made with the MW's games.

What makes COD is not one person. Its the engine they use. It is a great first person engine. Once this gets into the right hands. We can have a insane military shooter.

This is where I feel the Treyarch team will take us. They don't agree with the silly nonsense in MW3. They want things to make sense, and they don't want to reward the weak.

We need a new fresh person in charge of the MW series that has a better idea and outlook on what a military shooter should be.

[TomZeWolf]

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He wasn't even charge of the direction of the series like you're painting him out to be. Wasn't he just the community manager of sorts with a new fancy job title for MW3?

I'm probably in the minority that thought he was a bit of a douche but looking back it was his job to promote some god awful games the last of years, not really is choice.

IW has been destroyed, they've created a monster in MW3 (albeit a profitable one), it's going to be interesting to see what happens to CoD in a couple of years

[DonkeyJote]

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I think CoD4 is a case where absence makes the heart grow fonder. Killstreaks take over now? Remember on CoD4 where if you got to the airstrike, with the size of most the maps, you'd probably have a killstreak going constantly for the rest of the game (if you were smart and either killed yourself or had a teammate kill you on hardcore before you called in your helicopter). And the fact that on probably half the maps, gunfights didn't matter at all, where your team spawned at the beginning of the game was all that mattered (at least in deathmatch). Bog was almost unplayable if you spawned on the lower spawn since the other team would just rain noob tubes down on you and/or post snipers on the 3 ways up the hill. I liked that game, and played the crap out of it, but lets not pretend it didn't have a serious amount of issues.

Since about the middle of January, my connection has improved tremendously. I'm not seeing nearly as much of the bs die after turning around a corner. I stopped stressing about that stuff, started having more fun and started playing better (I'm normally 1.10 k/d player, and I've been playing closer to a 1.4 k/d for a while). I don't use blind eye, or a launcher, and I die maybe once or twice a game from killstreaks. I don't see why people get so upset by them. I rarely have problems even with guys running akimbo FMG's - if they catch me close, I die, but from farther out, I just don't see people dropping all that much. Even the shotgun craze has died down a ton. I don't think this is the best CoD by any means (probably MW2 for me), but it's not a terrible game either, and the DLC maps have all been fun for me - I think they are a strong group of maps.

[Nathan_OS]

Call of Duty 4 kill streaks were good. It made you have to actually know how to play the game.

[DonkeyJote]

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Call of Duty 4 kill streaks were good. It made you have to actually know how to play the game.

How? I really don't get this. How do CoD4 killstreaks take any more skill than MW3?

[Nathan_OS]

How? I really don't get this. How do CoD4 killstreaks take any more skill than MW3?

C'mon dude.

MW3... Killstreaks are literally give mes.
You die, it gets added to your call streak. Capture a flag, plant a bomb,get a assist... Its a killstreak.

Theres freaking Support Classes, Assaul Classes, and Specialist Classes.

This game was made to make noobs feel comfortable while they're reigning down EMPS and Stealth Bombers.

The developers obviously made the game noob friendly. No one wants to die because their not skilled enough, or haven't worked on their game enough, so they make it suitable for the average player .


Just my .02

[DonkeyJote]

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C'mon dude.

MW3... Killstreaks are literally give mes.
You die, it gets added to your call streak. Capture a flag, plant a bomb,get a assist... Its a killstreak.

Theres freaking Support Classes, Assaul Classes, and Specialist Classes.

This game was made to make noobs feel comfortable while they're reigning down EMPS and Stealth Bombers.

The developers obviously made the game noob friendly. No one wants to die because their not skilled enough, or haven't worked on their game enough, so they make it suitable for the average player .


Just my .02

Seriously? Who cares about EMP's. Use Assassin Pro. Problem solved. Stealth Bombers are hit and miss. CoD4 was seriously get to five kills, throw out your airstrike (since the maps were mostly small and indoors), get your helicopter, throw a grenade at your feet, call helicopter, hide somewhere, rinse and repeat. The killstreaks in the support package are nothing. Advanced UAV is inconvenient. Stealth Bomber is negated by the fact that's it's pretty easy to run indoors once you hear it coming.

The Assault is pretty much just the old style of killstreaks. But most people get greedy, and don't use the lowend ones, so you don't have as much trouble with people playing just to get killstreaks.

And Specialist is fine. Just because there are more killstreaks, doesn't mean they have a bigger role. There's no more just playing for a nuke to end the game like in MW2, so that's a good thing. And most of the Assault killstreaks aren't nearly as effective as they were in the last two MW games. An attack helicopter goes down with one missile.

[Nathan_OS]

Seriously? Who cares about EMP's. Use Assassin Pro. Problem solved. Stealth Bombers are hit and miss. CoD4 was seriously get to five kills, throw out your airstrike (since the maps were mostly small and indoors), get your helicopter, throw a grenade at your feet, call helicopter, hide somewhere, rinse and repeat. The killstreaks in the support package are nothing. Advanced UAV is inconvenient. Stealth Bomber is negated by the fact that's it's pretty easy to run indoors once you hear it coming.

The Assault is pretty much just the old style of killstreaks. But most people get greedy, and don't use the lowend ones, so you don't have as much trouble with people playing just to get killstreaks.

And Specialist is fine. Just because there are more killstreaks, doesn't mean they have a bigger role. There's no more just playing for a nuke to end the game like in MW2, so that's a good thing. And most of the Assault killstreaks aren't nearly as effective as they were in the last two MW games. An attack helicopter goes down with one missile.

I know that I find my self looking to break something most of thr time I play this.

Its the most frustrating COD I've ever play. No exageratiexagerating intended

[RedPhazon8]

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Assassin Pro doesn't allow you to use kill streaks during a opponent's EMP.

[DonkeyJote]

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Assassin Pro doesn't allow you to use kill streaks during a opponent's EMP.

So the argument that killstreaks are too prevalent is that there's a killstreak that stops all killstreaks?

[RedPhazon8]

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So the argument that killstreaks are too prevalent is that there's a killstreak that stops all killstreaks?

No, but by claiming Assassin Pro eliminates an EMP annoyance is voided by that fact. People use an EMP to eliminate kill streaks, but if someone doesn't like EMPs you can't just tell them to use Assassin Pro, it doesn't solve anything.

[Tyrant8RDFL]

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C'mon dude.

MW3... Killstreaks are literally give mes.
You die, it gets added to your call streak. Capture a flag, plant a bomb,get a assist... Its a killstreak.

Theres freaking Support Classes, Assaul Classes, and Specialist Classes.

This game was made to make noobs feel comfortable while they're reigning down EMPS and Stealth Bombers.

The developers obviously made the game noob friendly. No one wants to die because their not skilled enough, or haven't worked on their game enough, so they make it suitable for the average player .


Just my .02

Well said. MW3 was made to aid those that are not good at the game period. Giving them a role in victory. which is a horrible idea.

Being able to have a kill streaks by just reaching a certain amount of kills is a horrible idea.

You can go 20 and 25 and be rewarded. Robert Bowling like I said might have been a nice guy personally. Him and his team made very poor decisions with MW3.

Poor Decisions made with this title:

Assault Kill Streaks.

Specialist. Would have been fine if they did not give you every single perk when you hit specialist. It should just be the ones you have chosen, Picking the perks of choice should matter. How hard is it to get 8 kills in a row??? Not that hard. Now you are given every perk possible cause of it. Takes away from having to make a solid decision from the gamer.

Proficiencies

Kick Range Damage impact. All bad ideas and takes away from the fact that you have to learn how to handle all weapons characteristics. I can take a light machine gun and work it like a assault rifle with a combination of perks and a proficiency. Simply with the kick proficiency, lone wolf, and with Quick draw. I moving around with no problem with a light machine gun.

That could not be done on COD4. You had to be nice with that weapon.

Let's not forget adding range or damage to a shotgun how extremely powerful it is.

Now let's talk akimbo weapons. They decided to make it that both weapons while in two separate hands can shoot bullets at the same time right down the middle. Are you kidding me????? How unreal is this?!

Death streaks. Lets reward the ones that are being killed numerous times by helping them kill a person while they are about to die. Giving them last stand with a primary weapon, and they also decided to give them C4. Not respecting the fact that a good player who is earning his kill streak can now be killed by a scrub, and end the good players kill streak.
That is very unfair. How long have players been asking for last stand to be removed??? Since COD4.

LAG COMP. We already know how badly this was implemented in this game. No need for me to list information on this. It's disgusting how they decided to incorporate this into the game.

I have more to add but I believe this is enough to prove on the bad decisions that were made with MW3.

Seriously? Who cares about EMP's. Use Assassin Pro. Problem solved. Stealth Bombers are hit and miss. CoD4 was seriously get to five kills, throw out your airstrike (since the maps were mostly small and indoors), get your helicopter, throw a grenade at your feet, call helicopter, hide somewhere, rinse and repeat. The killstreaks in the support package are nothing. Advanced UAV is inconvenient. Stealth Bomber is negated by the fact that's it's pretty easy to run indoors once you hear it coming.

The Assault is pretty much just the old style of killstreaks. But most people get greedy, and don't use the lowend ones, so you don't have as much trouble with people playing just to get killstreaks.

And Specialist is fine. Just because there are more killstreaks, doesn't mean they have a bigger role. There's no more just playing for a nuke to end the game like in MW2, so that's a good thing. And most of the Assault killstreaks aren't nearly as effective as they were in the last two MW games. An attack helicopter goes down with one missile.

I was going to try and have a discussion with you on the two version between COD4 and MW3, but I can see it would not really matter.

You do not seem like the type of person what would be open to admitting if someone brings up a valid point, so I'll just let you be, and allow you to enoy MW3 over COD4. You have that right, and made it clear that you will be standing your ground.

Just one thing I would like to say. Whether you agree or not. MW3 is a game made to aid those that can not play too well, while COD4 did no such thing. It took skills with COD4 and with MW3 it does not.

All that really matters in MW3 is what side of the lag comp you are on.

[Methlab]

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I'm praying that ghost recon delivers.

If you play rainbow 6 vegas 2, you will see a lot of awesome features that COD does not have..especially when i comes to servers.

[Tyrant8RDFL]

Re: Modern Warfare 3 PS3/360

I'm praying that ghost recon delivers.

If you play rainbow 6 vegas 2, you will see a lot of awesome features that COD does not have..especially when i comes to servers.

I' am so with you on this. I was really not feeling that Ghost Recon went to 3rd or is it 2nd person over first person, but Im willing to give it a shot. Recon was always about realsim.

[DonkeyJote]

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Well said. MW3 was made to aid those that are not good at the game period. Giving them a role in victory. which is a horrible idea.

Being able to have a kill streaks by just reaching a certain amount of kills is a horrible idea.

You can go 20 and 25 and be rewarded. Robert Bowling like I said might have been a nice guy personally. Him and his team made very poor decisions with MW3.

Poor Decisions made with this title:

Assault Kill Streaks.

Specialist. Would have been fine if they did not give you every single perk when you hit specialist. It should just be the ones you have chosen, Picking the perks of choice should matter. How hard is it to get 8 kills in a row??? Not that hard. Now you are given every perk possible cause of it. Takes away from having to make a solid decision from the gamer.

Proficiencies

Kick Range Damage impact. All bad ideas and takes away from the fact that you have to learn how to handle all weapons characteristics. I can take a light machine gun and work it like a assault rifle with a combination of perks and a proficiency. Simply with the kick proficiency, lone wolf, and with Quick draw. I moving around with no problem with a light machine gun.

That could not be done on COD4. You had to be nice with that weapon.

Let's not forget adding range or damage to a shotgun how extremely powerful it is.

Now let's talk akimbo weapons. They decided to make it that both weapons while in two separate hands can shoot bullets at the same time right down the middle. Are you kidding me????? How unreal is this?!

Death streaks. Lets reward the ones that are being killed numerous times by helping them kill a person while they are about to die. Giving them last stand with a primary weapon, and they also decided to give them C4. Not respecting the fact that a good player who is earning his kill streak can now be killed by a scrub, and end the good players kill streak.
That is very unfair. How long have players been asking for last stand to be removed??? Since COD4.

LAG COMP. We already know how badly this was implemented in this game. No need for me to list information on this. It's disgusting how they decided to incorporate this into the game.

I have more to add but I believe this is enough to prove on the bad decisions that were made with MW3.




I was going to try and have a discussion with you on the two version between COD4 and MW3, but I can see it would not really matter.

You do not seem like the type of person what would be open to admitting if someone brings up a valid point, so I'll just let you be, and allow you to enoy MW3 over COD4. You have that right, and made it clear that you will be standing your ground.

Just one thing I would like to say. Whether you agree or not. MW3 is a game made to aid those that can not play too well, while COD4 did no such thing. It took skills with COD4 and with MW3 it does not.

All that really matters in MW3 is what side of the lag comp you are on.

I don't think MW3 is flawless by any means. And I do think they consciously went out to make the game more accessible (and why would they want that?). I dislike weapon proficiencies, deathstreaks, and akimbo as much as anyone. I just don't dislike the killstreaks. If you use support package, you get rewarded at 14 skills with a stealth bomber that will probably get you 1 or 2 kills, unless the other team is huddled together and doesn't move out of the way when they hear it coming. I just don't see the big deal. And EMP has never bothered me much. Do I think they should have made it slightly harder to get them? Maybe. But most of you guys, I'm guessing, play the objective games where it's easier to rack up kills. If you play deathmatch, even getting to 20 kills isn't bad at all. If they had made it so it took 18 kills to get a bomber and 22 to get EMP, I doubt anyone would ever use it in deathmatch (which happens to be the most popular gamemode). The people that rack up that kind of score with any kind of regularity in deathmatch are probably using assault.

My point was just that killstreaks weren't any worse in MW3 than CoD4. I didn't say the other flaws weren't there. And the lag comp has, from my experiences, vastly improved in the last two months or so.

I'm praying that ghost recon delivers.

If you play rainbow 6 vegas 2, you will see a lot of awesome features that COD does not have..especially when i comes to servers.

I loved the first Vegas, but tried the second one for a weekend when it first came out and hated it. I'll probably try Recon, though I've never been a huge lover of that series (too much sniping for me, and yes, I know that's the point), but I'm ready for something new after 5 years of CoD now. MW3 could've been the best game ever, and made cookies while giving me a massage, and I'd probably not be a huge fan because I'm just bored with the series.

I' am so with you on this. I was really not feeling that Ghost Recon went to 3rd or is it 2nd person over first person, but Im willing to give it a shot. Recon was always about realsim.

2nd person (I think) would watched the game from the guy you are shooting's perspective. I'd much prefer 1st person as well. The Tom Clancy games were always fun (Rainbow Six: Black Arrow was my favorite shooter).