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  • DonkeyJote
    All Star
    • Jul 2003
    • 9211

    #10231
    Re: Destiny

    Originally posted by Burns11
    All this started because you said stormcaller sucks for the raid, voidwalker is better and then tried to invent spots where it could be used. There are just a handful of spots where a super is useful, and every one a stormcaller is better.

    Opening the gate, without a doubt stormcaller is better, burn down everything from relic to goal, do that with either other super.

    Rune door, no supers here, really, they are unnecessary. Everything dies easily as long as people do their jobs it's easy peasey.

    Warpriest, no supers needed here for warlocks, though generating orbs is helpful and best way to do that here is stormcaller due to slow spawn /spread spawn points depending on location.

    Golgoroth, between clearing adds to generate orbs and clearing taken adds at end of fight, is there any question stormcaller is better?

    Daughters, with adds being an issue after the bubble, no doubt stormcaller is the go to here.

    Oryx, no supers needed, really, I know I never use mine unless someone else doesn't do their job (mostly being in teleport and thralls sneaking through, and in this case I can damage oryx and burn thralls simultaneously so stormcaller). For ogres, as long as people do their jobs, supers are completely unnecessary. You could nova bomb them, but depending on having a nova bomb is risky and using one gets everyone else out of rhythm if for some reason you are without a nova. Better to play straight, everybody do their jobs and it's easy. As for self rez, you shouldn't be dying in this raid at all, and spots where you might self rez won't help. The exception there might be the rune gate, but if you die there somebody ****ed up so you are really in need of someone new that can follow the mechanics and do their job.
    I did say Sunsinger is probably the best bet overall. Gate, I said either could be used. And I stand by that. Runes, yes, you don't need to use your supers, but it certainly doesn't hurt, and Nova bomb would certainly be better there, both for thrall as they spawn or for the wizards when they hide behind the pillars. For warpriest, again not really using either. Golgorath, I said stormcaller if you're clearing adds in the pit. If you're not, a quick Nova could help with the adds that are between stages of gaze holding, since they tend to be bunched but far off and using stormtrance at that stage badly exposes you. For daughters, most groups I'm in kill most of the trash from the bubble and run right back to our posts, so it's not an issue.

    On Oryx, it's just extra damage on the ogre. You hit it as soon as it comes out, and then you can quickly get it down to move to the next ogre. The faster you get them down, the less chance of one getting too close to the middle. For the shade, I think we're talking about different things. I've never had to worry about thrall in there. The guys on the outside should be taking care of that stuff before they get in. And they spawn periodically on either side of the dome.

    I never said it sucks. But it isn't a use all. In fact, it's the only new subclass that's actually balanced. Voidwalker is ranged burst dps (and comes very often with obsidian), stormcaller is close quarters dps, and sunsinger still has the best survivability, and is the least dependent on a super.

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    • jwilphl
      Legal Advisor
      • Jun 2009
      • 1499

      #10232
      Re: Destiny

      Up to 292 light, largely thanks to that 300 artifact and my armor. Still a bit low in the primary weapon and ghost slots (285, 280). At any rate I presume I can do the raid now? Is there any gear that's particularly helpful for the raid?

      I'd really like to do the Touch of Malice quest, but I need more runes for the Court and not really sure the best way to get them. I managed one Stolen rune from a reciprocal rune, but I have yet to get a single antiquated rune and apparently you need 3 for those separate fragments. 30 of 50 fragments thus far. And I noticed the Agonarch rune device isn't operating so I can't even get that one right now.

      Would like to finish some of my remaining quests if anyone else is in the same boat. This stuff can't really be solo'd. The Undying Mind heroic for Eris, have to kill Stirok for that one quest, a Nightfall strike, and of course the raid. In other words: fireteam wanted! Any night this week.

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      • Kearnzo
        Banned
        • Jul 2002
        • 5963

        #10233
        Re: Destiny

        While it has nothing to do with which subclass is more useful, having completed all ability kills and planetary materials portions of each exotic sword with my Warlock made me realize how ridiculous the Stormcaller is. It was so fast competing the ability kills between running Monte Carlo for repeated melee charges and clearing 20 or so adds at a time with Stormtrance.

        Granted, this was on Siege of the Warmind just killing the acolytes and thralls over and over so it wasn't difficult or anything, but it was the only ability kills portion of any of the sword quests that wasn't a chore. Even with Obsidian, the void kills took quite a while.

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        • N51_rob
          Faceuary!
          • Jul 2003
          • 14805

          #10234
          Re: Destiny

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          • DonkeyJote
            All Star
            • Jul 2003
            • 9211

            #10235
            Re: Destiny

            Originally posted by N51_rob
            As much as I dispise paying for emotes. Your boy will be rocking that Carlton emote for real.
            Oh yeah. And the slow clap. We supposedly get enough silver to buy a couple on the house.

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            • TrustedDegree4
              MVP
              • Jan 2014
              • 1423

              #10236
              Re: Destiny

              Went from 20 Calcified fragments before I did the raid to 43. Only miss the one you get from the Agonarch rune, Killing Kagoor, and the Fanatic of Crota.

              Can you only get a 310 artifact from completing all of the Taken War Quest? Is that the case then that Fear Embrace is going to be a pain in the *** to complete on all characters.

              Why do raid groups prefer the 1 orb method for Golgoroth? The way I see it, he could be dead in 2-4 orbs if you just pass the gaze, and have a good DPS team. The adds spawning every time just increases the chance of someone dying. Doesn't seem worth it tbh.
              Last edited by TrustedDegree4; 10-13-2015, 03:16 AM.

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              • Kearnzo
                Banned
                • Jul 2002
                • 5963

                #10237
                Re: Destiny

                Originally posted by TrustedDegree4
                Went from 20 Calcified fragments before I did the raid to 43. Only miss the one you get from the Agonarch rune, Killing Kagoor, and the Fanatic of Crota.

                Can you only get a 310 artifact from completing all of the Taken War Quest? Is that the case then that Fear Embrace is going to be a pain in the *** to complete on all characters.

                Why do raid groups prefer the 1 orb method for Golgoroth? The way I see it, he could be dead in 2-4 orbs if you just pass the gaze, and have a good DPS team. The adds spawning every time just increases the chance of someone dying. Doesn't seem worth it tbh.
                The one orb method is all about simplicity. Same thing each time, and the adds are easy to manage anyways. This past weekend was my first raid, and there were two other first timers with me. We downed Golgoroth first try with no deaths using the one orb method.

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                • DonkeyJote
                  All Star
                  • Jul 2003
                  • 9211

                  #10238
                  Re: Destiny

                  I've never had anyone die in a group while up top. The one orb method is just for simplicity. No failed gazes, and no stray cursed thrall wiping out your whole team. With a well coordinated team, 2 gazers works better, imo. But 1 gazer is easier in pickup groups.

                  One thing I've noticed too, moreso on Oryx than Daughters, everyone wants to number the pillars, and they always start with "back left is this, front left is this", etc, and then every group has front and back different. Isn't it far easier to just use people's gamertags? That's what I've typically ended up doing in groups and it seems like common sense. Then there is a visual cue on your screen as to what they're talking about.

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                  • TrustedDegree4
                    MVP
                    • Jan 2014
                    • 1423

                    #10239
                    Re: Destiny

                    Originally posted by Kearnzo
                    The one orb method is all about simplicity. Same thing each time, and the adds are easy to manage anyways. This past weekend was my first raid, and there were two other first timers with me. We downed Golgoroth first try with no deaths using the one orb method.
                    It was my first time also and the one orb method was all people ever did. I just feel like I'm missing out on damage when I do the 1 game method. Going to try to run it with all my characters this week and see if my view changes.

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                    • DonkeyJote
                      All Star
                      • Jul 2003
                      • 9211

                      #10240
                      Re: Destiny

                      Originally posted by TrustedDegree4
                      It was my first time also and the one orb method was all people ever did. I just feel like I'm missing out on damage when I do the 1 game method. Going to try to run it with all my characters this week and see if my view changes.
                      You gotta remember, with the 1 orb method, you have 5 people hitting him. With multiple orbs, you lose one to being a second gaze holder and an adds watcher.

                      On another note, nightfall is saber. Match game, exposure (ugh), catapult, and arc burn. Here we go Supercell!

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                      • TrustedDegree4
                        MVP
                        • Jan 2014
                        • 1423

                        #10241
                        Re: Destiny

                        Originally posted by DonkeyJote
                        You gotta remember, with the 1 orb method, you have 5 people hitting him. With multiple orbs, you lose one to being a second gaze holder and an adds watcher.

                        On another note, nightfall is saber. Match game, exposure (ugh), catapult, and arc burn. Here we go Supercell!

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                        Yeah your losing a person to gaze swapping but your gaining more orbs you can use to do damage. I'm not saying the one orb method is bad, which it not seeing you can collect ammo and regain your super while you deal with adds. It just I feel like I'm wasting time dealing with adds than doing damage to Golgoroth.

                        Are the nightfall worth it anymore? Did one last week and got a 296 legendary while my friends got SC, and ToC. Arc burn is fun, but exposure is going to be a pain in the boss room.

                        I'm supposed to kill 3 Curse Thrall without dying. It one of those Taken King Bounty and this is one of the parts I have to complete, but it not giving me any credit. Not sure if I have to complete it on the Dreadnaught, but I never see a Curse Thrall there.
                        Last edited by TrustedDegree4; 10-13-2015, 05:03 AM.

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                        • NightmareBooster
                          Pro
                          • Apr 2013
                          • 547

                          #10242
                          Re: Destiny

                          Originally posted by DonkeyJote
                          You gotta remember, with the 1 orb method, you have 5 people hitting him. With multiple orbs, you lose one to being a second gaze holder and an adds watcher.

                          On another note, nightfall is saber. Match game, exposure (ugh), catapult, and arc burn. Here we go Supercell!

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                          Are people actually still doing the Nightfall? I haven't done it in like 2 weeks because with no experience buff it's not worth the effort anymore.
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                          • fishepa
                            I'm Ron F'n Swanson!
                            • Feb 2003
                            • 18989

                            #10243
                            Re: Destiny

                            Originally posted by NightmareBooster
                            Are people actually still doing the Nightfall? I haven't done it in like 2 weeks because with no experience buff it's not worth the effort anymore.
                            I did it yesterday and got Jade Rabbit. So that was nice.

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                            • fishepa
                              I'm Ron F'n Swanson!
                              • Feb 2003
                              • 18989

                              #10244
                              Re: Destiny

                              I still need to run the raid. Haven't done it yet and my Titan is sitting at 296.

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                              • GamingJones
                                Pro
                                • Jul 2004
                                • 1384

                                #10245
                                Re: Destiny

                                Me and Burns can help with that at some point this week when you have time.

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