Rocksteady's Next Title

[Fresh Tendrils]

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Scarecrow was ineffective DUE to the Joker being in the game at all. How can any other antagonist shine when they're in the shadow of the Joker to begin with and when you add him in the game in any way, the antagonist gets even more overshadowed.

I agree with you partly, but I'm not going to use that against The Joker. Having one great character and the majority of the rest being subpar isn't a fault of the good character's, but a reflection on the writers. The inclusion of The Joker shouldn't automatically limit the effectiveness of others in the same story. Origins managed to have effective characters outside of The Joker AND had probably the best narrative of the series as a whole so it can obviously be done.

Arkham City is a mess comparatively speaking. Dr. Strange should have been much more imposing and threatening, but I never felt threatened by him which is insane considering he knows Bruce Wayne is Batman. The Scarecrow walks the same rope, but he's one of a handful of under-developed villains in the series.

Apart from Origins and Asylum (which funnily enough I thought Scarecrow was very effective here) the Joker has little bearing on progression of the narrative instead becoming a backdrop and foil to Batman's state of mind. The whole series was centered on their relationship and the effects Joker has had on Batman physically and emotionally. It's truly compelling stuff. Overshadowing at times sure, but certainly there was plenty of room to have better characters affect Batman. Perhaps not on the same magnitude, but certainly close.

In the end we're left with a really great Joker series featuring a bunch of other characters milling around waiting for their moment.

Other characters will never ever get the same treatment until the focus is no longer on the Joker. If/when Rocksteady develops an Arkham game that doesn't even mention the Joker, all the other characters will just be filler which is why I don't want any more Arkham games. All the other characters will be seen as "meh" because the vast majority of gamers obviously want the Joker.

Honestly I would love to square off against the Court of Owls and The Talon, but I would completely welcome a new IP for Rocksteady. I can't imagine working on the same character/universe for such a long period of time. It has to be redundant and some of that redundancy was evident in Arkham Knight.

[DieHardYankee26]

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I agree that Joker overshadows everyone else and him being in the game necessitates focusing on his narrative as opposed to others. Scarecrow was what he was because they had already established the "Overarching bad guy, while this other guy is in your face" in City with Strange and Joker. I honestly don't remember any of the assaasins in Origins to be memorable enough by themselves, as a group they hold their own. The only memorable character other than Joker in Origins was Black Mask... Who was also Joker lol. I think they start off with how can we get Joker in this and build around that. It's not the characters fault, but it is.

[peter42O]

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Stoooooooopt it. Like, stop. One, literally, had nothing to do with the other. If Scarecrow sucked because of any character it would be Arkham Knight, but even that isn't the case. Scarecrow just sucked. He wasn't present. Arkham Asylum did him a great justice; Arkham Knight just didn't.

Scarecrow didn't suck but HE WAS overshadowed by Joker. ANYONE would be. That's my point. You can't have a great villain/antagonist when he's overshadowed by the best one of them all. It's like watching a movie where the supporting character overshadows the main character. It's like, well, the supporting character SHOULD have been the main character.

Think of it like this - in Uncharted Lost Legacy, Chloe is freaking awesome as the lead playable character BUT if Nathan Drake was in the game as her side kick or whatever, would anyone really care about Chloe and her character? You need to eliminate the BIGGER characters in order to elevate and make the lesser characters shine as opposed to being overshadowed.

Joker is awesome but HE DOES overshadow everyone else. YOU and others here prove it by how much you're defending the Joker. You guys are basically making my argument for me. Secondary characters will never ever be seen as the "lead" if they're being overshadowed by better and more popular characters. It's just how it works.

Scarecrow was good in Knight but he's misused and underutilized and that's a DIRECT result of the Joker being in the game. Subtract the Joker and Scarecrow can become more fleshed out, have way more scenes and dialogue than what he actually had. When you have a good percentage of those aspects being taken up by a DEAD character, what do really expect from the character who's supposed to be the LEAD antagonist but clearly isn't?

[TripleCrown9]

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I agree that Joker overshadows everyone else and him being in the game necessitates focusing on his narrative as opposed to others. Scarecrow was what he was because they had already established the "Overarching bad guy, while this other guy is in your face" in City with Strange and Joker. I honestly don't remember any of the assaasins in Origins to be memorable enough by themselves, as a group they hold their own. The only memorable character other than Joker in Origins was Black Mask... Who was also Joker lol. I think they start off with how can we get Joker in this and build around that. It's not the characters fault, but it is.

Origins had the greatest comic book assassin of all-time.

The least 2 memorable were the females (Copperhead and Shiva) and Electrocutioner, who's only memorable because he was one of those bosses that you hit once and he was done. The rest were quite a who's who of villains. Bane, Deadshot, Firefly, Killer Croc, and Deathstroke.

[DieHardYankee26]

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Origins had the greatest comic book assassin of all-time.

The least 2 memorable were the females (Copperhead and Shiva) and Electrocutioner, who's only memorable because he was one of those bosses that you hit once and he was done. The rest were quite a who's who of villains. Bane, Deadshot, Firefly, Killer Croc, and Deathstroke.

They were famous, I mean memorable for what they did within the game. Deathstroke being famous doesn't overshadow the fact that you see him, beat the hell out of him, and move on (the fight was pretty cool though, definitely for the series). Does Killer Croc even show up again after you wreck him in the first fight of the game pretty much? I remember Mad Hatter missions from City better than most of the individual assassins in Origins. Some of them are even optional. Most memorable scene in Origins is Joker in Blackgate IMO. Firefly and Bane had big parts, but as a conduit to Joker really.

[Fresh Tendrils]

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I think we've moved away from the original point.

Basically, I won't fault the Joker or blame him for the bad characters around him. Rocksteady managed to create one great character, but didn't take the time or energy to develop others just as good. You can have great, side characters along with great lead characters, but that never happened with this series. Arkham Knight had many missteps, but the inclusion of The Joker was not one of them. It's a fitting third act to witness Batman's emotional fallout when losing his long time arch nemesis.

[Smallville102001]

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So I guess this should put a end to the million rumors about them doing a superman game that I was starting to even belive the rumor was true because of how many there where. I am still hoping for another akrham game my self. Who knowns with it not being superman could it maybe be a flash game or something? Maybe not a DC game and just a completely new thing? https://twitter.com/Seftonhill/statu...14816514928641

[illwill10]

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So I guess this should put a end to the million rumors about them doing a superman game that I was starting to even belive the rumor was true because of how many there where. I am still hoping for another akrham game my self. Who knowns with it not being superman could it maybe be a flash game or something? Maybe not a DC game and just a completely new thing? https://twitter.com/Seftonhill/statu...14816514928641

I wouldn't have cared for a Superman game. One thing I always liked about the Batman games is the sense of darkness and willingness to walk near the line as the protagonist.
In one hand, I would love another Batman. My main two things I love is combat and darkness from story. But in the other hand, I don't want them to force out another game. So many game series go on alot longer than necessary where it almost diminish the value. Only way I would want a Batman is if it goes away from the whole "Arkham" theme and go to a different era of Batman. Not that much more than can squeeze out of Arkham theme. Where if the go the futuristic Batman Beyond way, then I would definitely be interested.

If not, I would want something new. They could keep a similar combat system as Batman has, but a whole different super hero.

[TheShizNo1]

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So I guess this should put a end to the million rumors about them doing a superman game that I was starting to even belive the rumor was true because of how many there where. I am still hoping for another akrham game my self. Who knowns with it not being superman could it maybe be a flash game or something? Maybe not a DC game and just a completely new thing? https://twitter.com/Seftonhill/statu...14816514928641

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[Fresh Tendrils]

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There's still hope for the Turtles Iol.

[TripleCrown9]

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Not trying to box in Rocksteady as a "DC Only" studio, but they could use almost the exact same engine and mechanics from Arkham and make a decent Green Arrow game.

But if I had my pick, it'd be Flash or Aquaman. Just take Arkham and put it underwater.

[peter42O]

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I still believe that it will be a live service online focused next gen game. I'll stick with either the Avengers or some kind of DC Universe game where it has a crap load of characters in order for it to fit the live service aspect. Either way, im not expecting to see anything from Rocksteady until E3 2020 simply because if it is a next gen game which I believe that it will be, you can't show it until the next consoles are revealed.

[Smallville102001]

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I wouldn't have cared for a Superman game. One thing I always liked about the Batman games is the sense of darkness and willingness to walk near the line as the protagonist.
In one hand, I would love another Batman. My main two things I love is combat and darkness from story. But in the other hand, I don't want them to force out another game. So many game series go on alot longer than necessary where it almost diminish the value. Only way I would want a Batman is if it goes away from the whole "Arkham" theme and go to a different era of Batman. Not that much more than can squeeze out of Arkham theme. Where if the go the futuristic Batman Beyond way, then I would definitely be interested.

If not, I would want something new. They could keep a similar combat system as Batman has, but a whole different super hero.

While I still think there is enough for them to do one more Arkham game with out it felling like it is unnessary or something and keeping it fresh enough still. I am not a big superman fan loved the show smallville but have never really cared for superman but being that Rocksteady did such an amazing job with batman I just want to known what in the heck there are doing no matter what it is. I am just tried of not knowing and I may be down for any thing they do no matter what in the heck it is.

[TripleCrown9]

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While I still think there is enough for them to do one more Arkham game with out it felling like it is unnessary or something and keeping it fresh enough still. I am not a big superman fan loved the show smallville but have never really cared for superman but being that Rocksteady did such an amazing job with batman I just want to known what in the heck there are doing no matter what it is. I am just tried of not knowing and I may be down for any thing they do no matter what in the heck it is.

As I've said, if the story in Arkham is interpreted a certain way, if they do another Arkham game it won't be Batman. At least it won't be Bruce Wayne as Batman. They could go with the storyline where Dick took over as Batman.

Unrelated (because I'm not sure I'd want Rocksteady to do it) but I want an open world game set in the Wizarding World.

[eremiomania]

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I call BS on that guys tweet. Is it really possible their not working on a Super Man game after all these rumors and reports? Maybe it's a Justice League and not a *wink wink* Super Man game. I guess we'll find out someday..