Shooting at Virginia Tech

[Quick6]

Re: Shooting at Virginia Tech

Which is an issue in it's own. Not to get off topic or get political, but there is absolutely no reason that anyone in this country outside of law enforcement agents should be allowed to own a pistol/gat/small firearm or an automatic weapon.

If you want to keep hunting rifles legal for the sport, that's fine. But these smaller weapons and automatic weapons - there is absolutely no reason that US citizens should be able to purchase one. What possible good will ever come of owning one?

The NRA, etc preach about the Constitution and this and that - first that thing was authored over 200 years ago and a ton has changed since then and secondly I do not believe our founding fathers had automatic assault rifles and gats in mind when the included a "right to bear arms".

You're so wrong, if more students carried guns they might have saved lives. God this is turning into a political issue over gun control it's insulting.

[Brandon13]

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I disagree, and pray it will never change.

I cant go with those views, sorry.

I disagree as well. Should it be tougher to obtain a handgun, yes, but I don't think they should be outlawed.

[SlimKibbles]

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You're so wrong, if more students carried guns they might have saved lives. God this is turning into a political issue over gun control is insulting.

Other forums have had the same things going on. We'll just have to save that discussion for somewhere else, like the OS Debate Club.

I haven't posted yet in here, but my heart goes out to the families and friends of those who were killed and also to everyone connected to Virginia Tech in some way.

[Boltman]

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I disagree as well. Should it be tougher to obtain a handgun, yes, but I don't think they should be outlawed.

Correct answer my good man.

[SportsTop]

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Which is an issue in it's own. Not to get off topic or get political, but there is absolutely no reason that anyone in this country outside of law enforcement agents should be allowed to own a pistol/gat/small firearm or an automatic weapon.

If you want to keep hunting rifles legal for the sport, that's fine. But these smaller weapons and automatic weapons - there is absolutely no reason that US citizens should be able to purchase one. What possible good will ever come of owning one?

The NRA, etc preach about the Constitution and this and that - first that thing was authored over 200 years ago and a ton has changed since then and secondly I do not believe our founding fathers had automatic assault rifles and gats in mind when the included a "right to bear arms".

You couldn't be more wrong. He could've got his hands on a handgun no matter how legal or illegal they were. Besides, it was illegal for him to have the gun on campus. Did that stop him?

My question is how and why he had the guns and the ammunition on campus. I've stopped watching the news and I'm not checking the story on any interent sites either so I'm assuming he lived on campus. Virginia law makes it illegal to possess firearms in certain locations (schools being one of them).

The one big change that could realistically be imposed out of all of this is more "health and comfort" type inspections of the dormitories with dogs. This would lead to discovery of other illegal items such as drugs and alcohol (by minors) but wouldn't that be a small price to pay?

[SoMiss2000]

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You couldn't be more wrong. He could've got his hands on a handgun no matter how legal or illegal they were. Besides, it was illegal for him to have the gun on campus. Did that stop him?

My question is how and why he had the guns and the ammunition on campus. I've stopped watching the news and I'm not checking the story on any interent sites either so I'm assuming he lived on campus. Virginia law makes it illegal to possess firearms in certain locations (schools being one of them).

The one big change that could realistically be imposed out of all of this is more "health and comfort" type inspections of the dormitories with dogs. This would lead to discovery of other illegal items such as drugs and alcohol (by minors) but wouldn't that be a small price to pay?

guns were banned on the campus of Southern Miss when I was there...

[Court_vision]

Re: Shooting at Virgina Tech

Welcome to the "modern" world! Hey...wait a minute! I've got an idea! Why don't we ban guns, video games, violent movies, knives, cars (they can be used as a weapon.), any product that can be used in making a bomb, rocks, and sticks, etc. Then maybe we will live in a safe world.

Once again, drugs are illegal in the US. Do you really think you would have any trouble buying any if you wanted them? They'll never get all of the drugs or guns off the streets of America. Once again, welcome to the "modern" world. Thats the reason why I carry personal protection.

Champ...all I am saying is that countries like Australia and England don't have these problems.

I realise the US has gone way, way past the point of return...you have a gun culture and it's irreversable.

Guns are out there...and, yeah, I can see why you thus feel ordinary folks need them for protection.

Welcome to the modern world - that's NOT the modern world in most first world countries. There's no gun culture in Australia, England, Sweden, France, Belgium, Scotland, Wales....and on and on...

Look at the record on this mate: no other first world country has this kind of record over the past decade. None.

Other countries have abberational things happen...yes.

But you talk to anyone from Australia, England etc...people simply DON'T own guns and DON'T fear them. They are simply NOT a part of people's lives like they are for you fellas. Less than 0.005%of inner city people have guns in Australia and England. Around one person in every 100 000 has a gun.

And those are illegals.

School shootings...massacres...they are abberations and gun laws are very, very tough in Australia and England.

Meanwhile, in your country...this is a hell of a trend.


January 1, 1989: A man in Stockton, California shot dead five children and wounded about 30 people.

November 15, 1995: In Giles County, Tennessee, Jaime Rouse, 17, killed a teacher and a student and injured two other teachers.

February 2, 1996: In Moses Lake, Washington, Barry Loukaitis, 14, dressed up like a gunslinger and killed three people.

February 2, 1996: In Atlanta, Georgia 16 year old David Dubose killed a teacher in the hallway.

February 19, 1997: In Alaska, Evan Ramsey, 16, killed a classmate and his principal and injured two other students.

October 1, 1997: In Pearl, Mississippi, Luke Woodman, 16, shot dead two students and wounded six others.

December 1, 1997: In Paducah, Kentucky, Michael Carneal, 14, fatally shot three students and wounded five others during a prayer group.

March 24, 1998: In Jonesboro, Arkansas, two boys aged 11 and 13 fatally shot four students and a teacher and injured 10 more after setting off the school's fire alarm and opening fire as people streamed outside.

April 24, 1998: In Edinboro, Pennsylvania, Andrew Wurst, 14, killed a popular teacher and injures three more at an eigth grade graduation dance.

May 21, 1998: In Springfield, Oregon, Kipland Kinkel, 15, shot dead two students, wounded 25 after he was expelled for bringing a gun to school.

April 20, 1999: In Littleton, Colorado, Eric Harris, 18, and Dylan Klebold, 17 plotted for a year before they shot dead 13 people and wounded 24 more at their Columbine High School. They then committed suicide.

August 10, 1999: In Los Angeles, California, a man fatally shot three children and two adults at a pre-school.

November 21, 1999: A teenager in Deming, New Mexico shot dead a female student.

March 5, 2001: In Santee, California, a teenager shot dead two students and wounded 13.

March 21, 2005: On an Indian reservation in Red Lake, Minnesota, a male teenager fatally shot nine people, including five students.

November 8, 2005: Jacksboro, Tennessee, a teenager shot dead an assistant principal and wounded two people.

September 27, 2006: In Bailey, Colorado, a man took six students hostage and fatally shot a female student.

September 30, 2006: In Weston, Wisconsin, a teenager shot a high school principal, who died the next day.

October 2, 2006: In Nickel Mines, Pennsylvania, a man shot 11 girls "execution-style" at an Amish school, killing five

[The GIGGAS]

Re: Shooting at Virgina Tech

If anyone have a gun control agenda, can we wait for a bit longer to push it please?

[Skerik]

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Champ...all I am saying is that countries like Australia and England don't have these problems.

I realise the US has gone way, way past the point of return...you have a gun culture and it's irreversable.

Guns are out there...and, yeah, I can see why you thus feel ordinary folks need them for protection.

Welcome to the modern world - that's NOT the modern world in most first world countries. There's no gun culture in Australia, England, Sweden, France, Belgium, Scotland, Wales....and on and on...

From a 2002 Wall Street Journal article:

Sixteen people were killed during Friday's school shooting in Germany. This follows the killing of 14 regional legislators in Zug, a Swiss canton, last September, and the massacre of eight city council members in a Paris suburb last month. The three worst public shootings in the Western world during the past year all occurred in Europe, whose gun laws are exactly what gun-control advocates want the U.S. to adopt. Indeed, all three occurred in gun-free "safe zones."

The whole "there's no gun violence in wonderful Europe" argument? Yeah, that's kind of a myth....

http://users1.wsj.com/lmda/do/checkLogin?mg=evo-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB1020116142169084480.djm.html

[Court_vision]

Re: Shooting at Virgina Tech

If anyone have a gun control agenda, can we wait for a bit longer to push it please?

Sorry...and I don't have an agenda. I don't live in the USA. If you all have guns or no one has guns, it makes little difference to me.

I am merely posting from the perspective of a guy who has lived in multiple counrtries where guns simply aren't a part of life...

And wondering why / how the USA isn't the same...

You fellas are saying "it's the modern world"...I am just sitting here, scratching my head, and saying "actually, it's NOT in most first world countries".

Sorry...my perspective is different to you fellas.

[Court_vision]

Re: Shooting at Virgina Tech

From a 2002 Wall Street Journal article:



The whole "there's no gun violence in wonderful Europe" argument? Yeah, that's kind of a myth....

http://users1.wsj.com/lmda/do/checkL...84480.djm.html

Those are illegal guns...and europe, with multiple borders, is virtually impossible to police.

For a realistic comparison...there's no reason the US couldn't have been like Australia or England.

And yeah, I'm using past tense as I realise it's way too late and the guns ARE out there...

There's no real turning back.

[Brandon13]

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Those are illegal guns...and europe, with multiple borders, is virtually impossible to police.

For a realistic comparison...there's no reason the US couldn't have been like Australia or England.

And yeah, I'm using past tense as I realise it's way too late and the guns ARE out there...

There's no real turning back.

I haven't been able to find any statistics on what percentage of murders in the U.S. are by illegal firearms, however I would be willing to bet that most murders here are by illegal guns.

Here is a little something that is related:

According to the 1997 Survey of State Prison Inmates, among those possessing a gun, the source of the gun was from -

• a flea market or gun show for fewer than 2%
• a retail store or pawnshop for about 12%
• family, friends, a street buy, or an illegal source for 80%

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/guns.htm

[Court_vision]

Re: Shooting at Virgina Tech

I haven't been able to find any statistics on what percentage of murders in the U.S. are by illegal firearms, however I would be willing to bet that most murders here are by illegal guns.

Again, I'm looking at this from a totally different perspective to you fellas...

I just can't see any reason...any logic...that says it's okay for a kid like the shooter to walk into a shop and buy a 9mm hand gun like that guy did AND then buy a tonne of ammo.

He killed 34 people...some reports say he shot each multiple times...that's over 100 bullets. Likely he had more than that.

I can understand the whole "we need to defend ourselved" line...

I just can't see why / how it's legal that he bought such a quick loading weapon AND all that ammo.

I mean, why does anyone need 100's of bullets?

Again...I am coming from a completely different perspective.

I realise some may find this sensitive...so I'll move on.

I hope the victims find some sort of peace. It's a waste to see so many young lives destroyed like that.


ADDED: I see your stats above now. As i said, you guys do have guns out there. They are a part of your community. I realise it's too late to reverse that. Changing gun laws NOW is way, way too late. The guns are out there and, legally or illegally, people are going to get them.

The gate has been opened and the horse has bolted.

Australia and England DON'T have the guns out there in the community...thus tight gun laws does work.

Big difference. I realise it's too late to change things in your country. If I lived there, I'd likely arm myself also. I guess that's reality.

[Stormyhog]

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I think their are people that are just born bad period and they should just have been strangled in their cribs from the start. Also my brother was watching Larry King and they had a clip of the killers english teacher and she said she went to the head of the school to complain that he was trouble because of the undertones in his writings and they said it was freedom of speech and that he is your student and your going to have to deal with him. I guess their is no common sense anymore as nobody wants to do anything because they are worried they might step on peoples toes or offend certain groups. If their are warning signs it should be dealt with right away not after the fact and I could care less of who it offends.

[Scottdau]

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Sorry...and I don't have an agenda. I don't live in the USA. If you all have guns or no one has guns, it makes little difference to me.

I am merely posting from the perspective of a guy who has lived in multiple counrtries where guns simply aren't a part of life...

And wondering why / how the USA isn't the same...

You fellas are saying "it's the modern world"...I am just sitting here, scratching my head, and saying "actually, it's NOT in most first world countries".

Sorry...my perspective is different to you fellas.

The First Amendment! That is why. I am glad to be an American! And I hope they don't change that law. Violence is apart of World. Where ever you go!