Do you think this stuff works?

[Peji911]

I'm 5'9" and 195 right now, but during the summer I always get down to 180ish because Im not eating as much because of school stress. Im not planning on taking this unless it works.

Im actually writing on behalf of a friend. He is 5'11" and almost 300lbs. He wants to work at it but gets out of breath easily.

Would this work for either of us?

http://www.thermocerin.com/google/index.html?gclid=CMXYqqC92osCFRMFPgodlQf3cg

or this one

http://ultimatefatburner.com/isatori-mxls7.html

[pfunk880]

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What exactly is "this?"

[Peji911]

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What exactly is "this?"

LOL, I cant believe I missed putting it up.

Sorry, I'll edit.

[Lintyfresh85]

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I heard it works, but the second you stop taking it, you put it right back on, and possibly more.

Best way to lose weight is to watch what you eat and just do some daily exercise. Especially if he's 300 bones, just a little walking a day, and one less soda should help the guy drop weight pretty quickly.

[Peji911]

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We bought some program called DietPower and its like throwing money out the window because we dont know how to use it.

Myself, Ive going to europe from July 4th to August 9th. I wanted to get down to about 180 in such a long time. I'll volunteer and have a spring class n between now and then, but I'd seriously like to put around an hour or so into fitness.

I was planning on running 30-1 hr a day and eating cereal for breakfast, a sandwich for lunch and then chicken salad for dinner, having fruit whenever I crave more food.

Would it be possible, with that routine, to lose 20 lbs in just 2 mths by only doing what I said above?

[McLite]

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I have tried almost every supplement known to man during high school and college when I played football. Only thing I didn't dip into was steroids. I can say from my experiences, which mean little since the human body is radically different sometimes from person to person, is nothing will ever work as good as exercise and eating healthy.

Does not matter if you are trying to bulk up, tone up, or lose weight...the proper diet and cardio and letting your body do it on its own can't be beat. Sure supplements "supplement", and boost certain functions, but once you quit taking them your body almost always reacts the opposite way in order to balance things out.

Eat 4 or so small healthy meals every day and do some cardio for even 20 minutes every other day just to start off, and you will notice a difference in a few short weeks.

[nkhera1]

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We bought some program called DietPower and its like throwing money out the window because we dont know how to use it.

Myself, Ive going to europe from July 4th to August 9th. I wanted to get down to about 180 in such a long time. I'll volunteer and have a spring class n between now and then, but I'd seriously like to put around an hour or so into fitness.

I was planning on running 30-1 hr a day and eating cereal for breakfast, a sandwich for lunch and then chicken salad for dinner, having fruit whenever I crave more food.

Would it be possible, with that routine, to lose 20 lbs in just 2 mths by only doing what I said above?

Try oatmeal instead of cereal because many cereals have a lot of sugar. 20lbs may be unrealstic but i'm sure you can easily get 10 to 15 if you really work at it. As mentioned above, eating small meals every few hours is suprisingly effective (of course they need to be healthy meals).

[Peji911]

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Try oatmeal instead of cereal because many cereals have a lot of sugar. 20lbs may be unrealstic but i'm sure you can easily get 10 to 15 if you really work at it. As mentioned above, eating small meals every few hours is suprisingly effective (of course they need to be healthy meals).

where can I get a nice book that outlines what I can eat and when for weight loss?

[ehh]

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No it will not work!

Go to a bookstore, buy The New Rules of Lifting. Read it, learn it, live it, love it.

[Shaver]

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Your buddy who is 5'11" and 300 needs to take a step back and assess what he did to put on that weight. My guess, and speaking from experience of being heavy and losing a lot of weight, is that that's where he needs to start. Diet supplements, starvation and simple exercise will not be the long-term answer. Nobody ever got to 300 pounds by simply not exercising... you still have to put the calories on board.

At 5'11" and 300, chances are he's buring 4000 calories a day simply by breathing. Literally, if he woke up in the morning and never got out of bed, he'd burn 4000 calories. That's how the body works. This changes based on the individual, but we're using nice round numbers for ease.

It takes about 3000 burned calories to lose a pound and about 3000 unburned calories to gain a pound. You can see from that how many calories your buddy is putting into the machine in order to to get up to 300 pounds.

I could probably write a book on my opinions on all this stuff, but for brevity's sake... here are some great places to start:

- Cut out anything that is chocked full of unnecessary sugars and enriched flours. Soda = GONE! Diet is OK if you have to have soda, but cut it out completely if possible. And bread products that have ENRICHED flour in them. Read the ingredients... if it's ENRICHED... skip it. Enriched flours have everything healthy taken out of them and replaced with additives that do not naturally breakdown. Breads should be WHOLE GRAIN 100%. And don't be fooled because the packaging says WHOLE GRAIN. Still check the ingredients for ENRICHED.

- Water! Water! Water! Water is good for you. Most people spend most of their lives dehydrated and don't even realize it. It also fills you up and you'll eat less. "Experts" say drink 64 ounces of water (8 - 8oz glasses). That's not enough. Drink as much as you can. The rule I use is divide your weight in half and drink that many ounces per day. 300 pounds = 150 ounces. Sounds like a lot and it is.

- Weight training is 7x's better than cardio - The body needs lean muscle mass to burn fat. Cardio burns lean muscle mass. Cardio is great for cardiovascular health... but it's not good for losing weight. Lean muscle mass is the key.

- Stay off the scale! Don't be fooled by what the scale says. Pay attention to the way you look and feel. Muscle weighs more than fat. That's a fact. But it also takes up less space. 1 pound of lean muscle is about 7-8 times smaller than 1 pound of fat in terms of how your body appears. Use things like the way your clothes fit and how you physically feel to measure your success.

- Ignore BMI. The Body Mass Index chart is crap. It was created decades ago by the insurance industry as a means to raise life insurance premiums. 99% of the numbers are unreachable and unrealistic. Don't even look at it.

I'm starting to feel like I'm becoming the Richard Simmons of OS, but I am only speaking out because I know what a battle it is. I spent over a decade out of shape after college and it took health concerns and my overwhelming fear of dieing young and not being here for my daughters to make the life change. I wish I had done it as young as a lot of you guys are. Get a handle on it now!!!

[ehh]

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In addition what Clay said and my previous post about The New Rules of Lifting......

This stuff is gold. If you and/or your friend are serious about getting fit and staying fit you must learn, live and understand what's below.

Clean Eating

Caloric Requirements
Before we talk about "clean eating", let's discuss caloric requirement.
One way to calculate your caloric requirement is with the Harris-Benedict Formula:
I use the following formula(for males):

66 + (6.3 x body weight in lbs.) + (12.9 x height in inches) - (6.8 x age in years)

This gives you your Basal Metabolic Rate (BMR)
Now that you know your BMR, multiply your BMR by your activity multiplier from below:

Activity Multiplier
Sedentary = BMR X 1.2 (little or no exercise, desk job)
Lightly active = BMR X 1.375 (light exercise/sports 1-3 days/wk)
Mod. active = BMR X 1.55 (moderate exercise/sports 3-5 days/wk)
Very active = BMR X 1.725 (hard exercise/sports 6-7 days/wk)
Extr. active = BMR X 1.9 (hard daily exercise/sports & physical job

Your BMR X Activity Level = Calories Needed for maintenance : what you need to sustain your body at status quo. If you want to lose weight, subtract 500 calories a day to lose 1 pound per week. Subtract 1000 to lose 2 pounds per week. It is not recommended to go below a 1000 calorie deficit. It is also not recommended to go below 2000 calories a day if you are trying to maintain / build muscle mass. I recommend you start out a fat loss program at a 500 calorie deficit, try that for a couple of weeks, then, if you arent getting the results you want, cut 250 off, try that for a couple of weeks, and repeat until you find the level that works for your body. After a few months, change it; your body will become accustomed to a caloric level and needs it to be altered once in a while.

To set up your macronutrient ratios:
Protein is 4 calories per gram.
Carbohydrates are 4 calories per gram.
Fat is 9 calories per gram.
Alcohol is 7 calories per gram.


First, set your protein requirement. A good protein requirement for most people is 0.9 grams per pound of body weight. After getting your protein intake in grams by this formula, multiply it by 4 to get your daily protein requirement in calories.
Subtract that number from the daily calorie target you've calculated.
The remaining number divide by two to get your carb calories and fat calories. Divide that by 4 and 9 respectively to get grams per day.
You can play with the ratios if you want. Many people losing weight go for 40% protein, 30% carbs, and 30% fat. Some go for 33 / 33 / 33. You can experiment to find what works for you.

Note: There are many theories on caloric requirements. I suggest you use the Harris-Benedict as a starting point, and experiment with different caloric intakes til you find the correct ratio for your body. Just don't vary your intake by more than 250 calories: i.e. start at your HB ratio, say 3000 calories, then if you're not losing fat after two or three weeks, drop to 2750, try that for two or three weeks, then drop again if you have to. Everybody's metabolism is different, and everyone needs to find their own maintenance requirement.

Eating clean

" Eating clean" means, basically, eating the right kinds of proteins, carbohydrates, and fats.

Carbohydrates: Carbohydrates are an important energy source for your body and your brain. Some are better than others. The Glycemic Index describes how quickly your body metabolizes foods into sugars. High G.I. foods turn into sugars quickly, causing an insulin spike. Low GI foods metabolize slowly. Try to keep your carbs lower than 75 GI. You can find the GI ratings here: http://diabetes.about.com/library/me...mendosagi.htm, or http://www.glycemicindex.com, or various other sources.
Examples of Low GI Carbs:
Vegetables, Mixed Beans, Oatmeal, Bran, Whole Grain Breads, Whole Grains, Barley, Brown Rice, Low GI Fruits
Lowfat Milk, Lowfat Yogurt (note: while these dairy products have a low GI, they have a high Insulin Index (the reaction your body produces to the metabolizing of these products), so use in moderation)
White Rice (note: while having a higher GI, these have a low Insulin Index, so again, use in moderation)
High GI Carbs to Avoid:
White Bread (includes "wheat bread ( must say "whole wheat" or "whole grain") this means bagels, tortillas, pitas, and all other forms of bread
Potatoes (the worst - very high GI) (sweet potatoes are OK)
High GI fruits (watermelon, dates, raisins, ) and fruit juice - eat raw fruits instead (one glass of orange juice has over three oranges in it, without the benefits of the fiber in the raw orange)
Sugar and processed food with sugar or its many forms (high fructose corn syrup, cane sugar, molasses, etc)
Pastas (use in moderation, and never with saturated fats, e.g. fettucine alfredo)
Most breakfast cereals (stick to whole grain / bran cereals if you must eat cereals)

Note: There is a whole other subject, called "glycemic loads", describing the value of the entire item you are eating, that can be taken into consideration, but it is simply too extensive and undeveloped to go into at this time. Look into it yourself at http://www.mendosa.com (now http://diabetes.about.com/library/me...nmendosagi.htm) if you're interested.

Proteins: Eat lean proteins, low in saturated fats.
Examples of Good Protein Sources:
Lean Beef (90% lean ground beef, lean steak)
Chicken (particularly white meat)
Turkey (particularly white meat)
Lean pork (tenderloin, lean ham)
Lowfat dairy products, in moderation
Cottage cheese (highly recommended form of casein protein)
Whey protein
Fish, particularly tuna, salmon, and cod
Eggs, particularly egg whites (yolks in moderation)
Soy and soy products, while very good sources of protein, have also been shown in some studies to have potential for causing high estrogen levels and a possible potential for sexual dysfunction. I suggest using these in moderation until testing is completed and a conclusion has been reached. Caveat Emptor. (Many people eat soy with no ill effect)

Proteins to avoid:
Fatty meats (non-extra lean ground beef, fatty pork (bacon, ribs, etc)
Fatty dairy (whole milk, most cheese, ice cream)

Fats: Fats, which have been vilified, are an essential ingredient in our diet. Poly and monounsaturated fats must be included in your daily plan. A small amount of saturated fats are also needed. Minimize saturated fats, maximize monounsaturated fats and polyunsaturated fats. Try to get good Essential Fatty Acids - Omega 3 and Omega 6's. No more than 1/3 of your fat calories should be saturated fats (if you are on a 40/30/30 plan, 10% of your calories may come from sat fats)
Examples of good fats:
Fish and fish oils - polyunsaturated, best source of Omega 3's - cold water fish tuna, salmon, cod
Flaxseed oil - some Omega 3, good Omega 6
Olive Oil - monounsaturated fat
Avocados - monounsaturated fat
Nuts - mono, poly, and omega 6s best are walnuts and almonds

Bad fats:
Saturated fats - from animal products (fatty beef, pork, milk, etc)
Hydrogenated and partially hydrogenated fats (trans fatty acids) - Wicked Bad Stuff. (margarine and Crisco are trans fatty acids)
Most vegetable oil and corn oil - use Canola oil if you must use oil, and use in moderation - try not to cook in oil if you can avoid it. If you cook with oil, use an oil with the appropriate smoke point.

Water:
Water is a compound we can't do without for more than only a few days. The human body is about 60 to 75 percent water, and the brain is said to be about 85 percent water. Even bones are about 20 percent water. The body needs water. Nothing substitutes for water; coffee, tea, alcohol, are not the same as water. Drink at least 10 glasses of water a day. Note: The more caffeine you drink, the more water you must drink. Caffeine is a diuretic and flushes water out of your system.

Vitamins and Minerals:
Vitamins and Minerals play a vital role in maintaining the proper biological functioning of everything from muscles to memory. Nutritionists will tell you that they are unnecessary if we consume a properly balanced diet, but few of us consume a "properly balanced diet". It is highly recommended to consume a good quality multivitamin/mineral supplement daily. It is very difficult to obtain protective levels of some nutrients solely from diet.

Special notes:
1) Avoid mixing high GI carbs with fats
2) Avoid all processed / prepackaged foods
3) Read labels! Be on the lookout for bad stuff!
4) Eat your veggies!
5) Do not eat too little. Your metabolism will slow to a crawl and you will stop burning fat.
6) Do not eat too much. You will store excess as fat.
7) Alcohol, if required, must be kept to a minimum. When you drink alcohol, your body uses the alcohol as an energy source instead of burning your fat stores.

"Clean Eating" for the 52 Day Challenge:
1) Keep your caloric intake around your computed requirement - not too low, not too high
2) Keep your macronutrient ratios per your computed requirement, say within 10% - track them on http://www.fitday.com if possible
3) Eat low GI carbs, lean proteins, mono & polyunsaturated fats
4) Eat your veggies! Eat your veggies! Eat your veggies!

[MagicBucsWsoxFan]

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Question for you heath guys.


This has been going on for a few years and I cannot seem to kick the habit. Its not every night, but at least 5 nights a week I will wake up almost exactly at 3am and feel like im absolutly starving. I usually go down stairs have a bowl of cerial or a handful of cookies and go back to bed, but I really want to stop this as im trying to get a six pack.

Ive tried changing up my dinner patterns from eating an early dinner with a late snack, to eating full late dinners and to even having something small right before I go to bed, but it just doesnt work. It never fails that I wake up around 3oclock feeling like I havent eaten in a week. This happens on days I eat breakfast, lunch and dinner, days I skip breakfast, days I have huge dinners, small dinner, I really cannot find a pattern. Ive also tried substituting food with drinking a glass of water when I wake up, but it just doesnt fill that hunger void and it prevents me from falling back asleep.

Im 5'8 and only 155lbs, but I know this isnt helping me shed the little bit of baby fat im trying to get rid of.

[ehh]

Re: Do you think this stuff works?

Question for you heath guys.


This has been going on for a few years and I cannot seem to kick the habit. Its not every night, but at least 5 nights a week I will wake up almost exactly at 3am and feel like im absolutly starving. I usually go down stairs have a bowl of cerial or a handful of cookies and go back to bed, but I really want to stop this as im trying to get a six pack.

Ive tried changing up my dinner patterns from eating an early dinner with a late snack, to eating full late dinners and to even having something small right before I go to bed, but it just doesnt work. It never fails that I wake up around 3oclock feeling like I havent eaten in a week. This happens on days I eat breakfast, lunch and dinner, days I skip breakfast, days I have huge dinners, small dinner, I really cannot find a pattern. Ive also tried substituting food with drinking a glass of water when I wake up, but it just doesnt fill that hunger void and it prevents me from falling back asleep.

Im 5'8 and only 155lbs, but I know this isnt helping me shed the little bit of baby fat im trying to get rid of.

A) Eat cottage cheese right before bed.

B) You won't be able to "lose the little baby fat" without lifting weights.

[MagicBucsWsoxFan]

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A) Eat cottage cheese right before bed.

B) You won't be able to "lose the little baby fat" without lifting weights.

Ive just started lifting weights in the past month. As for cottage cheese, i guess it wouldnt hurt to try. How did you figure that out?

[dkgojackets]

Re: Do you think this stuff works?

AuburnAlumni also made a good post on this topic a while back.