Smoking experiment.

[Heelfan71]

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wow, since when did smoking become bad for you?

[TJdaSportsGuy]

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<--------- Smoke free since May of 2005. 2 years, 3 months, and counting...

One of the best decisions I've ever made. And I owe it all to my wife, the Xbox 360, and the patch. The deal was I could buy an Xbox 360 without her bitching to me about it IF I quit smoking. Well...the deal was too good to turn down, so I quit, bought the patch, and haven't taken a puff of a cigarette since.

[ExtremeGamer]

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I hate smoking with a passion. Thank god they passed the anti smoking ordinance out here in Vegas so people can't smoke in the bars anymore.

It's nice to be able to eat without sitting in a fireplace...and come home and not reek of the cigarette smell. Nastiest habit around, and a lot of smokers will tell you the exact same thing.

Nothing like paying good money to kill yourself, then tossing the rest out the window.

Same in Ohio, you can't smoke in any restaurants or bars anymore. It's great to go out to eat and not have to ask for non-smoking. I'll actually meet my buddies at a bar for a game now, where before I wouldn't. I'm allergic to smoke and have very bad Asthma, so being around smokers could be a bad idea for me

But it was nice last time I was in Vegas and being able to relax and get something to eat without smoke everywhere. Now if they could just do it in the casinos....

[ODogg]

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Smoking is disgusting and should be banned by the FDA completely.

[Chief Illinimac]

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I think you all need to relax... if anything this experiment suggests that second-hand smoke is not nearly as harmful as people pretend it is.

I don't smoke, but non-smokers need to quit trying to bring segregation back. Bars are meant for this stuff. Yeah, I agree its nice to not smell like smoke when I leave a bar, but Christ, where are these people supposed to enjoy a cigarette when they aren't home?

People have a choice to smoke or not. They know the problems that come with it. Leave them be. Second hand smoke is not killing you.

[Holic]

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I think you all need to relax... if anything this experiment suggests that second-hand smoke is not nearly as harmful as people pretend it is.

I don't smoke, but non-smokers need to quit trying to bring segregation back. Bars are meant for this stuff. Yeah, I agree its nice to not smell like smoke when I leave a bar, but Christ, where are these people supposed to enjoy a cigarette when they aren't home?

People have a choice to smoke or not. They know the problems that come with it. Leave them be. Second hand smoke is not killing you.

Second hand smoke doesn't kill you? So it's absolutely, 100% harmless? I don't think so. If a smoker goes to a bar, he/she can go outside to a desinated area and smoke. I used to not go to bars, because I'd come out smelling like I'd smoked 2 packs in the short ammount of time I was there. Not to mention, going to a resteraunt, and waiting for a non-smoking table just so I wouldn't have to breath the smoke.

[Chief Illinimac]

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Second hand smoke doesn't kill you? So it's absolutely, 100% harmless? I don't think so. If a smoker goes to a bar, he/she can go outside to a desinated area and smoke. I used to not go to bars, because I'd come out smelling like I'd smoked 2 packs in the short ammount of time I was there. Not to mention, going to a resteraunt, and waiting for a non-smoking table just so I wouldn't have to breath the smoke.

I didn't say it was 100% harmless. Smog isn't 100% harmless, but you manage it. Tap water isn't 100% harmless, but people drink it when they need to. There are plenty of things worse than second-hand smoke that don't get nearly the same amount of heat.

Smokers shouldn't have designated areas to smoke. Bar owners should create smoke free bars, if desired, but if they want a smoke-allowed bar, they should be able to do as they desire. You have a choice to not go to the bar, just as they have the choice to smoke in a bar that allows it.

[heelsman22]

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I don't smoke and never will, but people who give smokers hell always come off as huge jerks.

If someone spends 8 hours a day working in a stressful environment, why do they have to get basically **** on by all the people around them because they want to smoke a cigarette?

The people who give dirty looks to smokers and act like they are better than them are 10 times worse than the smokers themselves.

[GeePee20]

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Your example of you spitting your beer over everybody else really doesnt make any sence to me. I seriously doubt people are smoking 2 feet from you and then turning their attention to you and blowing it in your face but if thats what you believe then whatever. I guess I cant get over the fact that people will go to a bar to get smashed/drunk, obtain a buzz, etc. but they have a problem with the guy/girl who is smoking on the other side of the bar, or in your example, 2 feet away. Personally, when I think of a bar I think of drinking and smoking, have they outlawed smoking in adult bars as well? Nevada seems like it hasnt a clue, fight those smokers while letting women prostitute themselves outside the city, I just cant imagine that the tax dollars couldnt be better spent. Lastly, have they outlawed smoking at places like the Bunny Ranch? That would be the kicker, you can go and be with a prostitute but you cant smoke while your there, maybe Im alone in this view, which is fine if I am, but this all seems rediculous to me.

Smoking affects innocent bystanders by filling the room's air with smoke. You don't have to be right next to the person. Just being in the same room is enough to breathe it.

Drinking only affects the person who chose to drink that beer.

Also, a guy taking a prostitute to his hotel room affects no one but himself and the prostitute who made the decision. If a prostitute started rubbing her dirty snatch on every person that walked by, then yes it would be like second hand smoke.

[ODogg]

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Smoking affects innocent bystanders by filling the room's air with smoke. You don't have to be right next to the person. Just being in the same room is enough to breathe it.

Drinking only affects the person who chose to drink that beer.

Also, a guy taking a prostitute to his hotel room affects no one but himself and the prostitute who made the decision. If a prostitute started rubbing her dirty snatch on every person that walked by, then yes it would be like second hand smoke.

I have no problem with people abusing their bodies in any way they see fit. But the issue is as GeePee20 says, what they are doing affects me. Regardless if it's dangerous or not I don't want to breathe it and I don't want to smell like it. Until they invent a smokeless cigarette then us non-smoking "jerks" will continue to ride the issue. I don't have any issue at all with people who do rub because they don't affect me, unless the spit it on me, then we have a whole different set of issues right there.

[Chief Illinimac]

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I have no problem with people abusing their bodies in any way they see fit. But the issue is as GeePee20 says, what they are doing affects me. Regardless if it's dangerous or not I don't want to breathe it and I don't want to smell like it. Until they invent a smokeless cigarette then us non-smoking "jerks" will continue to ride the issue. I don't have any issue at all with people who do rub because they don't affect me, unless the spit it on me, then we have a whole different set of issues right there.

Smoking in a bar doesn't affect you if you don't go to the bar. Why should non-smokers get priority over the smokers in terms of who is and isn't allowed in?

[The Chef]

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Smoking affects innocent bystanders by filling the room's air with smoke. You don't have to be right next to the person. Just being in the same room is enough to breathe it.

Drinking only affects the person who chose to drink that beer.

Also, a guy taking a prostitute to his hotel room affects no one but himself and the prostitute who made the decision. If a prostitute started rubbing her dirty snatch on every person that walked by, then yes it would be like second hand smoke.

Yeah because prostitution is such a clean and disease free activity that a husband who has decided to partake in could very easily bring it back to his wife. Not to mention that most crime is associated with other crime, it wouldnt be so far fetched to believe that someone who is a prostitute could also be a drug addict etc. On a side note, drinking doesnt just effect the person doing it, it can effect anyone if they decide to drive home, it can effect family if they have a drinking problem etc.

Secondly, my entire argument is based on the fact that if a man buys a bar, pays his taxes, follows all laws, why should he then be told by the state whether or not he can permit smoking in the establishment that he owns? I understand that this was voted on and passed in Nevada, which just led me to my next problem, how can a state sit there and let some things go while spending tax dollars to keep those smokers away from those drinkers, the entire thing seems stupid to me.

[The Chef]

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Smoking in a bar doesn't affect you if you don't go to the bar. Why should non-smokers get priority over the smokers in terms of who is and isn't allowed in?

Your waisting your time, we seem to think alike but we also appear to be in the minority. You can have a bar that has a smoking section and a non smoking section but thats not good enough. Smokers have become the people everyone loves to hate, there are companies trying to dictate if a worker can smoke on their own time, I kid you not, nearly every resteraunt and bar in Oregon has outlawed smoking, try going to an outdoor sporting event here and you have to go to a designated area to smoke etc, it is what it is and wont change until the public finds something else to get enraged about.

[ODogg]

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Smoking in a bar doesn't affect you if you don't go to the bar. Why should non-smokers get priority over the smokers in terms of who is and isn't allowed in?

Because when they partake in their dirty habit it also forces me to, like it or not. When I am there I'm not partaking in anything that forces them to as well. Pretty simple really..

[ODogg]

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Your waisting your time, we seem to think alike but we also appear to be in the minority. You can have a bar that has a smoking section and a non smoking section but thats not good enough. Smokers have become the people everyone loves to hate, there are companies trying to dictate if a worker can smoke on their own time, I kid you not, nearly every resteraunt and bar in Oregon has outlawed smoking, try going to an outdoor sporting event here and you have to go to a designated area to smoke etc, it is what it is and wont change until the public finds something else to get enraged about.

You're not in the minority, I agree with you that bar owners should be allowed to keep their bars smoking if they want. My contention is smoking overall should be banned as it's been shown to be an effective toxic and deadly habit.