Smoking experiment.

[mgoblue]

Re: Smoking experiment.

You're not in the minority, I agree with you that bar owners should be allowed to keep their bars smoking if they want. My contention is smoking overall should be banned as it's been shown to be an effective toxic and deadly habit.

Smoking is definitely horrible for you...I used to smoke, but I decided to go cold turkey and was able to keep it going. Now I once in a blue moon have a desire, but i see all the disgusting parts of it more (smells, stains, etc)...just a horrible habit

[Chief Illinimac]

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Because when they partake in their dirty habit it also forces me to, like it or not. When I am there I'm not partaking in anything that forces them to as well. Pretty simple really..

Then don't go to a bar that allows smoking. Pretty simple, really.

It doesn't force you to take in the tobacco smoke. The vast majority of the toxins are absorbed into the smokers' lungs, not vented out to yours. Plenty of smokers live to see 80-90 years... I doubt second hand smoke is really killing you, when first hand smoke really only gets the extreme smokers (2+ packs a day). Just because someone who smokes gets lung cancer doesn't mean its from cigarette smoke. It's way too easy to manipulate a study to get your own results, and as such, I will take all this "evidence" of the second hand smoking problem with a grain of salt.

When you say smoking should be banned you are forcing people into losing a choice.

[ILLCHILL]

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Then don't go to a bar that allows smoking. Pretty simple, really.

It doesn't force you to take in the tobacco smoke. The vast majority of the toxins are absorbed into the smokers' lungs, not vented out to yours. Plenty of smokers live to see 80-90 years... I doubt second hand smoke is really killing you, when first hand smoke really only gets the extreme smokers (2+ packs a day). Just because someone who smokes gets lung cancer doesn't mean its from cigarette smoke. It's way too easy to manipulate a study to get your own results, and as such, I will take all this "evidence" of the second hand smoking problem with a grain of salt.

When you say smoking should be banned you are forcing people into losing a choice. Freedom is gradually dying in this country because of this belief system where one's ideology should be imposed on the many.

Getting dandgerously close to political talk, I'd suggest watching it guys.


I sound like ExtremeGamer or something

[ODogg]

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Then don't go to a bar that allows smoking. Pretty simple, really.

It doesn't force you to take in the tobacco smoke. The vast majority of the toxins are absorbed into the smokers' lungs, not vented out to yours. Plenty of smokers live to see 80-90 years... I doubt second hand smoke is really killing you, when first hand smoke really only gets the extreme smokers (2+ packs a day). Just because someone who smokes gets lung cancer doesn't mean its from cigarette smoke. It's way too easy to manipulate a study to get your own results, and as such, I will take all this "evidence" of the second hand smoking problem with a grain of salt.

When you say smoking should be banned you are forcing people into losing a choice.

Why should I have to not go into a public place because of a health hazard? If someone chooses to partake in a health hazard they should be forced to do so where non-smokers will not have to partake in their filthy habit. This isn't about the issue of freedom. If I want to wildly shoot my gun off down while I run down the street should I cry that I should have the freedom to do that? When one man's freedom encroaches on another's safety it's no longer an issue.

[davin]

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I don't really go to bars and well, I could see how the whole smoking vs non smoking thing there is a bit different. However for all of us non smokers, I don't think we realize how good we have it here in the states. I just came back from Europe, and if you think it is bad here, I can't even fathom how bad you would think it would be in Europe. I knew this going in there, but basically, it was worse for me this time than the last time I was there. People don't really seem to think it is a big deal to walk by you and blow smoke in your face apparently either. Sitting at a restaurant and being surrounded by all smokers, and heavy ones at that isn't comforting, as well as the fact European custom is to wait to give you the check.

My point in all of this isn't really to slam smokers here, but rather for us non smokers that even having a non smoking section is a lot better than it could be. I voted for the smoke ban here in Ohio and am glad I did, but in all of this I think we sometimes lose the appreciation for some of the things we take for granted here in the states. I don't really have people walk by me and go out of their way to blow smoke in my face or that they smoke the whole time during dinner.

[Chief Illinimac]

Re: Smoking experiment.

Why should I have to not go into a public place because of a health hazard? If someone chooses to partake in a health hazard they should be forced to do so where non-smokers will not have to partake in their filthy habit. This isn't about the issue of freedom. If I want to wildly shoot my gun off down while I run down the street should I cry that I should have the freedom to do that? When one man's freedom encroaches on another's safety it's no longer an issue.

Bars are a private establishment, chief. A public place would be smoking in city hall, or the park district swimming pool. There are private shooting ranges where you are allowed to do just that: shoot your gun off. If you don't like guns, you don't go to that place, its really quite simple.

If a smoker wants to partake in a health hazard in a private establishment that chooses to allow it, you shouldn't have any right to stop that. The only right you have is to choose not to go to that bar, not to make them stop the smokers.

[fishepa]

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Smoking is disgusting, I wonder if people realize how much they stink when they smoke. Their clothes stink, their house stinks, their breath stinks. Gross

[RockinDaMike]

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Bars are a private establishment, chief. A public place would be smoking in city hall, or the park district swimming pool. There are private shooting ranges where you are allowed to do just that: shoot your gun off. If you don't like guns, you don't go to that place, its really quite simple.

If a smoker wants to partake in a health hazard in a private establishment that chooses to allow it, you shouldn't have any right to stop that. The only right you have is to choose not to go to that bar, not to make them stop the smokers.

A lot of places are banning smoking even in bars. I read Illinois will ban smoking in bars in 2008. I'm sorry I don't agree with your comparison with shooting guns. If you are at the gun range shooing a gun, you are shooting at a target not at the employee at the front taking payments. So your not risking the health of any employees at that establishment or anyone shooting their guns.

But at a bar, where it is closed in, you are affecting employees breathing area as well as other's sharing the same air as you in the room. When I go to a bar, I will drink alcohol because it is my choice to get tipsy but it doesn't affect the next person's health if they choose not to drink. If a bar wants to allow smoking, thats fine by them, but I'm glad they are putting laws in so that they won't have that choice.

Should it be a choice for a private bar to wash their glasses after someone has used them before serving them again? Yes because it is a law. So i'm glad this banning of smoking in restaurants and bars is spreading throughout the US.

[ODogg]

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Bars are a private establishment, chief. A public place would be smoking in city hall, or the park district swimming pool. There are private shooting ranges where you are allowed to do just that: shoot your gun off. If you don't like guns, you don't go to that place, its really quite simple.

If a smoker wants to partake in a health hazard in a private establishment that chooses to allow it, you shouldn't have any right to stop that. The only right you have is to choose not to go to that bar, not to make them stop the smokers.

Public in the sense I can walk in and order food or drink off the street. I know it's owned by someone so technically it's private. And I already said as long as smoking is legal as it currently is then the owner should be allowed to choose if it's smoking or nonsmoking. My arguement is smoking should be banned everywhere except individuals private homes or cars, any place that the public congregates whether it's technically private or public should be smoke free for health reasons.

And I believe in consistency, I also believe drug use should all be legalized as well. If someone wants to smoke marijuana in their home then let them. But smoking it in a restaurant or a city bus should be illegal, just as regular cigarette smoking should be.