Death Toll of US Soldiers in Iraq over 4000

[trobinson97]

I just want to start off by asking that this not turn into a political discussion. I realize that's not accepted here. However, I do think these guys' sacrifices (regardless of what you think about the political situation) should at least be recognized here.

Here is the story.


Things like this tend to have very little effect on some of us because it's so far away. It's not at our doorstep, so it's far from our minds. But when I saw this story this morning, I don't know if it's because I was military or what, I immediately teared up. These are men and women who are not too different than us. They like watching the same shows on tv as we do. They like video games. They are parents, children, brothers, sisters and friends. They are indeed, real people.

Again I am asking that this not turn into a political debate. I'm not trying to make everyone depressed either. I'd just like for you to take some time out and think about these people who are risking their lives and dying for this country and maybe send out a prayer for them and their families.

[Altimus]

Re: Death Toll of US Soldiers in Iraq over 4000

Even one life has a great impact, let alone 4,000. I thank everyone involved for the freedoms and safety we have today because of their sacrifices.

Good post tr, and I agree, lets not turn this into a political discussion.

[chestnutz6]

Re: Death Toll of US Soldiers in Iraq over 4000

Know what's scary? This war we've lost 4000, and we're flipping about it (as we should, I thank the soldiers very much), but WWII the death total was around 50 MILLION! I mean, think about that. Imagine if we'd lost even a million.

[SportsTop]

Re: Death Toll of US Soldiers in Iraq over 4000

Know what's scary? This war we've lost 4000, and we're flipping about it (as we should, I thank the soldiers very much), but WWII the death total was around 50 MILLION! I mean, think about that. Imagine if we'd lost even a million.

50 million?

Try closer to 420,000. It's still an astronomical number but let's not kill off a third of our population in one war.

[chapmanosu1]

Re: Death Toll of US Soldiers in Iraq over 4000

50 million?

Try closer to 420,000. It's still an astronomical number but let's not kill off a third of our population in one war.

I think he was talking the war as a whole (other countries).

[Brandon13]

Re: Death Toll of US Soldiers in Iraq over 4000

No matter how you feel about the war everyone should, and I believe 99.9% do, have the utmost respect for our soldiers. With most of us being so far removed from the situation it's sometimes forgotten that there are men and women from this country serving in harm's way.

[HealyMonster]

Re: Death Toll of US Soldiers in Iraq over 4000

I think he was talking the war as a whole (other countries).

yeah we lost 420,000 and won. thats crazy. regarding our lost number for this war i wish it would be possible to get enemy/insurgent numbers lost but its prob impossible since noone will take sccountability for those guys cause they are insurgents.

[superjames1992]

Re: Death Toll of US Soldiers in Iraq over 4000

Yeah, I have the utmost respect to our soldiers, but things have been much, much worse in the past. I don't mean to downplay the deaths in teh Iraq War, I just think we overblow some of this stuff a bit, especially when in the Civil War, we had 4,000 deaths every 6 days. Let's take a look at the United States' casualties in some other wars:

Vietnam
Deaths: 58,209
Missing: 2,000
Wounded: 305,000
26 deaths per day

Korea
Deaths: 36,516
Missing: 8,176
Wounded: 92,134
45 deaths per day

World War II
Deaths: 418,500
Wounded: 683,846
416 deaths per day

World War I
Deaths: 117, 465
Wounded: Could not find
4279 deaths per day

Spanish-American War
Deaths: 3,289
Wounded: Could not Find

Civil War
Deaths: 625,000
599 deaths per day

Mexican-American War
Deaths: 13,271
Wounded: 4,152
29 deaths per day

War of 1812
Killed/Wounded: 6,765
Disease Deaths:17,205
Civilian Deaths: 500
31 deaths per day

American Revolution
Deaths: 25,000
Wounded: 25,000
11 deaths per day

<table class="wikitable" align="center"><tbody><tr><th rowspan="2" style="background: rgb(176, 196, 222) none repeat scroll 0% 50%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;">War or conflict</th> <th rowspan="2" style="background: rgb(176, 196, 222) none repeat scroll 0% 50%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;">Date</th> <th colspan="3" style="background: rgb(176, 196, 222) none repeat scroll 0% 50%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;">Deaths</th> <th rowspan="2" style="background: rgb(176, 196, 222) none repeat scroll 0% 50%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;">Wounded</th> <th rowspan="2" style="background: rgb(176, 196, 222) none repeat scroll 0% 50%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;">Total dead
and wounded</th> <th rowspan="2" style="background: rgb(176, 196, 222) none repeat scroll 0% 50%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;">Missing</th> <th rowspan="2" style="background: rgb(176, 196, 222) none repeat scroll 0% 50%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;">Sources/
notes</th> </tr> <tr> <th style="background: rgb(176, 196, 222) none repeat scroll 0% 50%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;">combat</th> <th style="background: rgb(176, 196, 222) none repeat scroll 0% 50%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;">other</th> <th style="background: rgb(176, 196, 222) none repeat scroll 0% 50%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;">total</th> </tr> <tr> <td>American Revolutionary War</td> <td>1775–1783</td> <td align="right">8,000</td> <td align="right">17,000</td> <td align="right">25,000</td> <td align="right">25,000</td> <td align="right">50,000</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td><sup id="ref_Anone">[a]</sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>Quasi-War</td> <td>1798–1800</td> <td align="right">20</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">20</td> <td align="right">42</td> <td align="right">62</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td><sup class="noprint Template-Fact">[citation needed]</sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>Barbary Wars</td> <td>1801–1815</td> <td align="right">35</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">35</td> <td align="right">65</td> <td align="right">100</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td><sup class="noprint Template-Fact">[citation needed]</sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>Other actions against pirates</td> <td>1800–1900</td> <td align="right">10</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">10</td> <td align="right">21</td> <td align="right">31</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td><sup class="noprint Template-Fact">[citation needed]</sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>Northwest Indian War</td> <td>1785–1795</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td>
</td> </tr> <tr> <td>War of 1812</td> <td>1812–1815</td> <td align="right">2,260</td> <td align="right">~17,000</td> <td align="right">~20,000</td> <td align="right">4,505</td> <td align="right">~25,000</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td><sup id="cite_ref-0" class="reference">[1]</sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>First Seminole War</td> <td>1817–1818</td> <td align="right">30</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">30</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td>
</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Black Hawk War</td> <td>1832</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td>
</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Second Seminole War</td> <td>1835–1842</td> <td align="right">328</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">~1,500</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td>
</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Mexican-American War</td> <td>1846–1848</td> <td align="right">1,733</td> <td align="right">11,550</td> <td align="right">13,283</td> <td align="right">4,152</td> <td align="right">17,435</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td><sup id="cite_ref-Oxford_1-0" class="reference">[2]</sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>Third Seminole War</td> <td>1855-1858</td> <td align="right">26</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">26</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td>
</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Civil War: total</td> <td>1861–1865</td> <td align="right">212,938</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">~625,000</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td><sup id="ref_Bnone">[b]</sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center">Union</td> <td>
</td> <td align="right">140,414</td> <td align="right">224,097</td> <td align="right">364,511</td> <td align="right">281,881</td> <td align="right">646,392</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td>
</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center">Confederate</td> <td>
</td> <td align="right">72,524</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">~260,000</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td>
</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Indian Wars</td> <td>1865–1898</td> <td align="right">919</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">1,025</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td><sup id="cite_ref-Oxford_1-1" class="reference">[2]</sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>Korean expedition</td> <td>1871</td> <td align="right">3</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">3</td> <td align="right">13</td> <td align="right">16</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td><sup class="noprint Template-Fact">[citation needed]</sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>Spanish-American War</td> <td>1898</td> <td align="right">385</td> <td align="right">2,061</td> <td align="right">2,446</td> <td align="right">1,622</td> <td align="right">4,068</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td><sup id="cite_ref-Oxford_1-2" class="reference">[2]</sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>Philippine War</td> <td>1898–1902</td> <td align="right">1,020</td> <td align="right">3,176</td> <td align="right">4,196</td> <td align="right">2,930</td> <td align="right">7,126</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td><sup id="cite_ref-Oxford_1-3" class="reference">[2]</sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>Boxer Rebellion</td> <td>1900–1901</td> <td align="right">37</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">37</td> <td align="right">204</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td><sup class="noprint Template-Fact">[citation needed]</sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>Mexican Revolution</td> <td>1914–1919</td> <td align="right">35+</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">70</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td><sup class="noprint Template-Fact">[citation needed]</sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>Occupation of Haiti</td> <td>1915–1934</td> <td align="right">146</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">26+</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td><sup class="noprint Template-Fact">[citation needed]</sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>World War I</td> <td>1917–1918</td> <td align="right">53,402</td> <td align="right">63,114</td> <td align="right">116,516</td> <td align="right">204,002</td> <td align="right">320,518</td> <td align="right">3,350</td> <td><sup id="cite_ref-Oxford_1-4" class="reference">[2]</sup><sup id="ref_Cnone">[c]</sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>Northern Russian Expedition</td> <td>1918-1920</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">424</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td><sup id="cite_ref-2" class="reference">[3]</sup></td> <td>
</td> </tr> <tr> <td>World War II</td> <td>1941–1945</td> <td align="right">291,557</td> <td align="right">113,842</td> <td align="right">405,399</td> <td align="right">670,846</td> <td align="right">1,076,245</td> <td align="right">30,314</td> <td><sup id="cite_ref-Oxford_1-5" class="reference">[2]</sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>Korean War</td> <td>1950–1953</td> <td align="right">33,746</td> <td align="right">?</td> <td align="right">36,516</td> <td align="right">103,284</td> <td align="right">?</td> <td align="right">8,177</td> <td><sup id="cite_ref-Oxford_1-6" class="reference">[2]</sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>Vietnam War</td> <td>1964–1973</td> <td align="right">47,355</td> <td align="right">10,796</td> <td align="right">58,151</td> <td align="right">153,303</td> <td align="right">211,454</td> <td align="right">2,489</td> <td><sup id="cite_ref-Oxford_1-7" class="reference">[2]</sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>El Salvador Civil War</td> <td>1980–1992</td> <td align="right">9</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">20</td> <td align="right">35</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td><sup class="noprint Template-Fact">[citation needed]</sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>Beirut deployment</td> <td>1982–1984</td> <td align="right">256</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">266</td> <td align="right">169</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td><sup id="cite_ref-SAID_3-0" class="reference">[4]</sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>Persian Gulf escorts</td> <td>1987–1988</td> <td align="right">39</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">39</td> <td align="right">31</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td><sup class="noprint Template-Fact">[citation needed]</sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>Invasion of Grenada</td> <td>1983</td> <td align="right">18</td> <td align="right">1</td> <td align="right">19</td> <td align="right">119</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td><sup id="cite_ref-SAID_3-1" class="reference">[4]</sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>Invasion of Panama</td> <td>1989</td> <td align="right">23</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">40</td> <td align="right">324</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td><sup id="cite_ref-SAID_3-2" class="reference">[4]</sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>Gulf War</td> <td>1990–1991</td> <td align="right">148</td> <td align="right">151</td> <td align="right">299</td> <td align="right">467</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">1 <sup id="cite_ref-4" class="reference">[5]</sup></td> <td><sup id="cite_ref-Oxford_1-8" class="reference">[2]</sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>Somalia</td> <td>1992–1993</td> <td align="right">29</td> <td align="right">14</td> <td align="right">43</td> <td align="right">153</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td><sup id="cite_ref-SAID_3-3" class="reference">[4]</sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>Haiti</td> <td>1994–1995</td> <td align="right">1</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">4</td> <td align="right">3</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td><sup id="cite_ref-SAID_3-4" class="reference">[4]</sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>Bosnian War</td> <td>1995?</td> <td align="right">1</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">12</td> <td align="right">6</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td><sup class="noprint Template-Fact">[citation needed]</sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>Afganistan*</td> <td>2001–present</td> <td align="right">305</td> <td align="right">183</td> <td align="right">488 [1]</td> <td align="right">7,171 [2]</td> <td align="right">7,659 [3]</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td>[4]</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Iraq War</td> <td>2003–present</td> <td align="right">3,247</td> <td align="right">753</td> <td align="right">4,000 [5]</td> <td align="right">40,233 [6]</td> <td align="right">44,233 [7]</td> <td align="right">4</td> <td><sup id="ref_Dnone">[d]</sup></td></tr></tbody></table>

[trobinson97]

Re: Death Toll of US Soldiers in Iraq over 4000

For not meaning to downplay the deaths of our current service men and women, you did a great job of downplaying their deaths. One by implying that recognizing their efforts is overblowing things and two by listing and comparing stats. So a few thousand more of them need to die so they can be held in the same regard as people from previous conflicts? Was there really a need to do that?

That said, I do not regard the deaths of people in any conflict lightly, which is why I feel there is no need to compare how many died in such and such war to this one. That's not the point of this thread at all. I can't help but feel offended by the stat guy(s).

[bkfount]

Re: Death Toll of US Soldiers in Iraq over 4000

not only is spinning the deaths of this iraq war to look not as bad as previous wars laughable, it's a sad point of view to have. This war was supposed to be done in months. We're far and beyond the technological power. The only reason why there's "only" 4k deaths is because we're bogged down without a clear goal or enemy. Mismanagement and political BS has kept this war going the wrong way for so long. It's not really as rosy as saying it's only 4k soldiers dead when the civil war or vietnam was worse.

[SportsTop]

Re: Death Toll of US Soldiers in Iraq over 4000

not only is spinning the deaths of this iraq war to look not as bad as previous wars laughable, it's a sad point of view to have. This war was supposed to be done in months. We're far and beyond the technological power. The only reason why there's "only" 4k deaths is because we're bogged down without a clear goal or enemy. Mismanagement and political BS has kept this war going the wrong way for so long. It's not really as rosy as saying it's only 4k soldiers dead when the civil war or vietnam was worse.

You, sir, have no idea what you're talking about and successfully derailed this thread to a direction previously warned not to go.

Nice job.

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