Well, I'm in the same boat as you two guys, kinda. I used to be extremely shy, but once I kinda started realizing that if I talked to girls like they're my friends, then it makes things a little easier. That plus the fact I work in retail and I have to talk to attractive females from time to time helps, lol.
And trust me, the nice guy route does suck for a while but it pays off. One of the girls I work with is extremely attractive (my one picky housemate responded to a picture of her with a simple "Wow") and I've just been nice to her since day one. And late last week she asked me if I would like to go to a Cavs game with her in a few weeks. Whether its out of friendship or more, it was a huge confidence boost to me and made me feel better about myself and just confirmed that the nice guy way isn't such a bad way to go.

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