What's wrong with young men these days?

[Trevytrev11]

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I agree with that BK. You would just have to walk away. I think your child seeing you get into a confrontation (where more cuss words im sure would fly and maybe even fists) would be a lot worse then some guys walking by cussing.

But why does situation A have to happen. I agree that violence is worse, but having to have your kids hear others cuss with no regard to their audience is just the lesser of the two evils.

I think most would prefer their kids hear cussing over seeing their father get in a fist fight, but I'm sure most would just prefer the whole situation not happen at all.

[Trevytrev11]

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Which goes back to the parents.

Agree 100%.

People can blame music, movies, video games, etc...but it's the parents responsiblity to be the filter and the dicipliner.

Kids are going to hear cussing regardless of what a parent does. It's every where, but the more the parent minimizes the childs exposure to it, the better off they are.

[Brandwin]

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But why does situation A have to happen. I agree that violence is worse, but having to have your kids hear others cuss with no regard to their audience is just the lesser of the two evils.

I think most would prefer their kids hear cussing over seeing their father get in a fist fight, but I'm sure most would just prefer the whole situation not happen at all.

Thing is, you can't stop a random person from cussing . Sure if you were at Chuckie Cheese and some people are just letting cuss words fly you could tell a manager, but in the public, what you going to do?

[Trevytrev11]

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Thing is, you can't stop a random person from cussing . Sure if you were at Chuckie Cheese and some people are just letting cuss words fly you could tell a manager, but in the public, what you going to do?

Kind of gets back to the beginning of the circle of why is that some people don't have respect for others. This to me is the main point...not how to handle the situation, but why should the situation even exist. If someone has that " I just don't give a crap" attitude, you're not going to have an impact on them either way. They are who they are.

In all honestly, my only choice is to leave the situation. Who knows what happens if you confront the cussers...could be a fight, maybe they apppologize, but it's a risk you take when you confront them and one to me, that is not worth it with a kid around. You may come off looking weak, but a small price to pay to "protect" my kid and wife.

[fishepa]

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Thing is, you can't stop a random person from cussing . Sure if you were at Chuckie Cheese and some people are just letting cuss words fly you could tell a manager, but in the public, what you going to do?

You tell your children that is not how people are supposed to act in public and they better not say those kinds of things or they get their *** spanked.

[MassNole]

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Imagine you have a 7 year old son and he say "Dad, I'm not f-ing going to school today, my teachers a fat b-tch with a big a$s and all she does is say bull sh-t all day. I hate that sl-t." Or your teacher calls you and sayd, "today, we had to suspend your son because he told his teacher that she was a stupid b-tch." While I'm sure you would teach your son to talk to adults with respect, I can't imagine many that wouldn't dicipline their child for that.

If this would bother you, then you should understand why someone walking around in a public place with their kids might be turned off a bit when they hear an adult saying them.

Also, I find your statement a little contradictory. You say "a word is a word, plain and simple", but then agree that racial comments are wrong. How can that be if they are just words (I'm not disagreeing that these words aren't bad). I assume you say they are wrong because they are deemed offensive by the race they attack, but in reality, any word is only offensive when a party is offended and it's not up to the speaker to determine what that is, it is up to the listener. Unfortunately we may be getting to the point where everything is becoming offenseive to someone, but for some reason, these certain cuss words have always been "wrong".

I'm sure you wouldn't say them in the courtroom and if you did, I'm sure you would be repremanded by a judge

I think you took what I said to the far extreme where punishment would probably be warranted, but that would be more aimed at the disrespect than the language used. To me the reaction people have to swears borders on absurd, really what harm does the work F--- do to someone? It is nothing to ever get bent out of shape over, and in reality it is merely a mechanism we use to help delineate people based on perceived class. It is an antiquated Victorian principle that we for some reason or not chose to embrace as a society. This is really no different than any other issue some bored soccer mom chooses to take up.

As for the perceived contradiction, I was attempting to separate racial slurs from every day words because of the history of the words and the malicious intent they generally carry. I could go on a further diatribe about this but I won't. I see a racial slur as something completely different and I'll leave it at that.

[The 24th Letter]

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You tell your children that is not how people are supposed to act in public and they better not say those kinds of things or they get their *** spanked.

i do agree w\ that.....

kids eventually grow to make thier own decisions but until theyre no longer under my roof theyre going to learn thats not tolerated....

gotta have some "home trainin" lol

[fishepa]

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i do agree w\ that.....

kids eventually grow to make thier own decisions but until theyre no longer under my roof theyre going to learn thats not tolerated....

gotta have some "home trainin" lol

yep

[KG]

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Which goes back to the parents.

I don't know man. Your kids could be angels when they're in your presence and a-holes when they're with their friends. There is nothing you can do about that except to hope that you have taught your kids right.

[daflyboys]

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If hearing profanity is the worst thing wrong with "young men" these days, that would put the "young men" of these days at the top of the list for upstanding "young men" of all days.

Personally, I'd say cursing beats out lynching, war, crack, and serial killers.

Ya, but that's stating the obvious and you're talking about extremes there to a large degree. It beats people taking a dump right in front of me, too, but I don't think I'm going to be around that all that much in my lifetime.

I've had a similar feel over the years as my kids were growing. I think what it was that aggravated me so much was that I didn't want anyone to take away any innocence of their youth. I certainly don't want my kids to grow up thinking the world is Candyland, but I also didn't want some rude punk poisoning the mind of my kid.

Ignoring them or taking an aggressive response or "violent" action in response arent' the only alternatives to this situation. Appealing to the guys acting this way to act more civil in respect to young ones and females that you respect in the area is another thing to do. It is possible that they actually didn't think about what they were doing or who they were impacting. Asking them in a respectful way (thus, modeling respect) might go much further than puffing out your chest. Tough to do when you're irritated/angered, but generally effective.

It's easy to say that language is language, etc. But, as most anyone on here (or anywhere) will tell you is that once you have kids, it changes everything on your perspective (re: Dennis Miller).

[Trevytrev11]

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I think you took what I said to the far extreme where punishment would probably be warranted, but that would be more aimed at the disrespect than the language used. To me the reaction people have to swears borders on absurd, really what harm does the work F--- do to someone? It is nothing to ever get bent out of shape over, and in reality it is merely a mechanism we use to help delineate people based on perceived class. It is an antiquated Victorian principle that we for some reason or not chose to embrace as a society. This is really no different than any other issue some bored soccer mom chooses to take up.

As for the perceived contradiction, I was attempting to separate racial slurs from every day words because of the history of the words and the malicious intent they generally carry. I could go on a further diatribe about this but I won't. I see a racial slur as something completely different and I'll leave it at that.

I understand what you are saying, the point I am trying to make is that what you deem as offensive or not only works for you and has no regard on others. If someone who is lacking in knowledge of basic history and doesn't understand why the n-word is offensive, should he get a free pass? The F-bomb may not mean anything to you, but may upset another person just as much.

Again, does it matter why the words are offensive or that they just are deemed and accepted to be offensive by the majority. If you know there is a good chance that a word you say will upset someone else, is there really a reason to say it other than to get a rise out of someone else. Again, one thing if it slips out every now and then, we all have done it and may just not be thinking for a second, but when you are in a public place, curing loudly over and over in front of a large group of strangers, then the mentality is a different and definitely questionable.


Again, these words may not "mean" anything, but I doubt you or most of us would use them commonly during Christmas dinner with the family, so why use them in public with strangers. It's really all about respect or a lack of respect.

If you're not offended by them that is fine (I wouldn't say I am either), but to assume that others aren't and to go ahead with it any way, to me, just shows a lack of judegement.

[ThreeKing]

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Right because violence is a much better answer to a couple of kids popping off.

So some kids were trying to get under his skin. Who gives a ****? You're worried about his kids hearing those words, but it would be ok for his kids to see him get in to a confrontation? It would be ok for his kids to learn that violence is how to solve problems? That seems perfectly logical.

I'm not saying I'm throwing bombs off the jump. I would say something to them and if it escalated, I would tell my wife and kids to go wait in the car.

[Trevytrev11]

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I don't know man. Your kids could be angels when they're in your presence and a-holes when they're with their friends. There is nothing you can do about that except to hope that you have taught your kids right.

That is why you need to be in your kids business and know who their friends are and know what kind of people they have. If you're kids getting in trouble with his friends, he's going to get caught doing something and you will find out. If your kids smoking weed or drinking, you'll find out. You'll smell it or see it. If he's stealing, you'll notice he has new things that you didn't buy him or that he can't afford.

I'm not going to say it never happens or just being a good parent is full proof, but if you raise your kid right, the odds are in your favor.

My parents always told me that they're goal was not to be my friend until I was out of the house. Once I moved out, we could be best friends, but until them, they were the parent and I was the child. It's definitely my goal with my kids now. Sure it's always fun to be the cool dad, but in my experience, that is always a losing effort.

[Trevytrev11]

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I'm not saying I'm throwing bombs off the jump. I would say something to them and if it escalated, I would tell my wife and kids to go wait in the car.

Different strokes for different folks, I guess...not worth it in my mind, ever, unless they were physically threatening my family. My life or the life of my family isn't worh it. I have no problem backing down or being "punked" by some kid over some vulgar language.

[daflyboys]

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This is to the original poster....

What if you were in the mall, and saw someone wearing the shirt that I am wearing in this picture...

Lack of verbalizing or displaying words doesn't mean your not trying to communicate something simply because it's a picture.

When you make the active decision out of all the tens of thousands of shirts to buy that particular shirt and put it on to be displayed in a public place, what are you trying to communicate to the world?

Perception is reality.