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  • SPTO
    binging
    • Feb 2003
    • 68046

    #1

    Exhibit 242B why teachers should be paid more

    Now i'm not condoning what happened but really can you blame the guy?

    The father of a Clayton County biology teacher charged Wednesday with threatening a student apologized to the community for his son's actions, saying the teacher was stressed out and "between a rock and a hard place."

    Travis Corey Heckstall, 34, was arrested Wednesday on disorderly conduct and terroristic threats charges for telling an unruly student he would "rip your eyeballs out" during a tirade days before the school year ended.

    Heckstall taught biology at Mount Zion High School since August and resigned May 30, about a week after the alleged incident, said school system spokesman Charles White.

    His father is state Rep. Joe Heckstall (D-East Point). Heckstall, surrounded by relatives, attended his son's first-appearance hearing Thursday in Clayton Magistrate Court. Magistrate Bobby Simmons set a $20,000 bond, which the younger Heckstall said he'd be able to post. As of late Thursday afternoon, Heckstall was still in the county jail.

    "He's apologized, he's remorseful," the elder Heckstall said. "He loves those kids and took them goodies all during the year. He would love to go back to teaching when this is over."

    Heckstall said his son was allegedly threatened by the male student all year and didn't feel safe in the classroom. "There is no question this is uncharacteristic of my son, this is a situation that got out of hand," he said. "He complained to the administration about the student but was told to keep it in the classroom, to deal with it there. He was caught between a rock and a hard place."

    Police said Heckstall confronted a male student May 21 after the boy threatened and cursed the teacher and disrupted the class. During the alleged incident, which police said was videotaped by other students with cellphones, students said Heckstall suddenly "started acting crazy," telling the class to "shut the [expletive] up."

    Heckstall allegedly directed his anger toward the male student, telling him he would "rip your eyeballs out," urinate on him and "kill your family," according to the police report. Heckstall then spat on the floor and began to apologize, police said.

    Heckstall told police the juvenile had a history of disciplinary problems and that he feared for his safety all year.

    The cellphones with the videotaped incident were confiscated by police. Chief Jeff Turner said the images were captured and copied onto a DVD and placed into evidence, and are not subject to open records requests.

    White, the school system spokesman, had no additional information about Heckstall's past performance, citing privacy policies. White also had no details on where Heckstall worked before coming to Clayton County.
    I truly feel sorry for teachers who have to go through all that crap of students constantly harassing the teacher and knowing the teacher can't do a damn thing about it. I've always maintained the stance that teachers should be paid more for the thankless job they have to do day in and day out. Yes, not every teaching situation is this bad but the majority of the time it's a long and laborious job.

    ...and you wonder why finding good teachers is such a hard task these days?

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  • boomhauertjs
    All Star
    • Feb 2004
    • 5373

    #2
    Re: Exhibit 242B why teachers should be paid more

    Originally posted by SPTO
    I truly feel sorry for teachers who have to go through all that crap of students constantly harassing the teacher and knowing the teacher can't do a damn thing about it. I've always maintained the stance that teachers should be paid more for the thankless job they have to do day in and day out. Yes, not every teaching situation is this bad but the majority of the time it's a long and laborious job.

    ...and you wonder why finding good teachers is such a hard task these days?
    Co-sign. Having a wife and mom who are/were teachers, I appreciate how difficult their job is. And with society allowing people to become less and less accountable for themselves, it's becoming even more difficult.

    This teacher sounded like he had some anger management issues. However, I do have sympathy for the guy.

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    • callmetaternuts
      All Star
      • Jul 2004
      • 7045

      #3
      Re: Exhibit 242B why teachers should be paid more

      Some schools are OK, but i honestly dont know with the way society is going how much longer teachers are gunna be safe from punks who are 16-18, think they are invincible and have no self control. It wont be long till a student takes a knife to a teacher or something.........Society is going downhill
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      add worthless Xavier Lee to that list..
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      • Brandon13
        All Star
        • Oct 2005
        • 8915

        #4
        Re: Exhibit 242B why teachers should be paid more

        When I was in school my Spanish teacher went crazy when someone flicked a quarter or something at the board and came close to hitting him. He rambled for awhile and at some point said "... I will kill you." Nobody in the class ever went to the office, though. I guess everyone knew he just overreacted and it really wasn't that big of a deal.

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        • bgeno
          MVP
          • Jun 2003
          • 4321

          #5
          Re: Exhibit 242B why teachers should be paid more

          This nation is losing a lot of great teachers and coaches for this very reason. It's really a shame.
          Originally posted by DaImmaculateONe
          How many brothers does Sub-zero running around in his clothing? No one can seem to kill the right one.

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          • billmatic
            Treble Complete
            • Nov 2004
            • 7365

            #6
            Re: Exhibit 242B why teachers should be paid more

            Originally posted by Crazy *** Teacher
            Heckstall allegedly directed his anger toward the male student, telling him he would "rip your eyeballs out," urinate on him and "kill your family,"
            LMAO.

            Students are bitches, teachers should get a lot more leeway then they do.

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            • Gotmadskillzson
              Live your life
              • Apr 2008
              • 23433

              #7
              Re: Exhibit 242B why teachers should be paid more

              Actually a 15 year old already stabbed his female teacher repeatedly last year. She lost an eye because of that.

              And last week a 16 year girl beat up her 53 year old teacher in GA inside of the classroom on their last day of school.

              But I remember when I was in high school, teachers normally would say I'll kick yo mofo ***. But then again I went to a inner city high school. Certain things are allowed there then at rural schools.

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              • Bighoff
                The Bird is the word
                • Jul 2002
                • 5312

                #8
                Re: Exhibit 242B why teachers should be paid more

                I hear stories from my dad all the time, he's a middle school science teacher. It's amazing what some of these kids say or try to get away with cause they know that they won't be held accountable for their actions.
                I've heard this "patience is a virtue" junk all my life. I'm happy to say I have no virtue, no scruples, and no desire to wait too long for anything. In my humble opinion instant gratification takes too long!

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                • Mason81Ballin!!!
                  Banned
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 840

                  #9
                  Re: Exhibit 242B why teachers should be paid more

                  give teachers guns... with blanks

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                  • SPTO
                    binging
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 68046

                    #10
                    Re: Exhibit 242B why teachers should be paid more

                    Originally posted by Mason81Ballin!!!
                    give teachers guns... with blanks
                    ...and risk a shootout?

                    I ask this half jokingly because I heard a story today about a High School in the Toronto area that was put on lockdown because a 17 year old was pistol whipped in the washroom.

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                    • dbeth
                      MVP
                      • Aug 2002
                      • 2304

                      #11
                      Re: Exhibit 242B why teachers should be paid more

                      I hate to think what my job could be like in 10-15 years. I just finished my 8th year today teaching HS math and it's amazing how different the students have changed in just that short of time.

                      Many students think they can get away with anything because they know we can't do anything about it. How am I, as a male HS teacher, supposed to enforce the dress code when a 16 year old girl is wearing close to nothing and in clear violation?!? Example:

                      Me: "Um...Susie, you need to pull your top up and put on a longer skirt"

                      Her: "Ew!! You're such a perv! You shouldn't even be looking there!!"

                      *20 minutes later*

                      Principal: "Excuse me, Mr. Beth, but we're going to have to suspend you while we look into this"

                      Me: Ugh.....

                      The students know that they have all the power right now and it's not exactly the coolest thing to work with.
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                      • Scottdau
                        Banned
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 32580

                        #12
                        Re: Exhibit 242B why teachers should be paid more

                        BS, there is no excuse for what he did. Yes the kids were bad, but if you can't control your class then you shouldn't be a teacher. I can relate, I teach at a Jail and my kids can be as bad as they come, but it is still no excuse to lose your cool. You have to be a professional. Also, I will be the only one to ever say this, but teachers get paid enough. Believe it or not it is consider a part time job. You are contracted to work 7 hours a day 180 days a year, sure you take home work, because you don't have enough time to finish it at school. But still I make about $40 a hour. Becasue I am in jail I work a 12 month schedule, but still contracted to work for the 180 days a year. I just get paid extra in the summer, so I get two pay check for those 2 months. Now adays to be a good teacher you have to have great classroom management. That is what all Principals are looking for.
                        Last edited by Scottdau; 06-07-2008, 01:35 AM.

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                        • Scottdau
                          Banned
                          • Feb 2003
                          • 32580

                          #13
                          Re: Exhibit 242B why teachers should be paid more

                          Originally posted by dbeth
                          I hate to think what my job could be like in 10-15 years. I just finished my 8th year today teaching HS math and it's amazing how different the students have changed in just that short of time.

                          Many students think they can get away with anything because they know we can't do anything about it. How am I, as a male HS teacher, supposed to enforce the dress code when a 16 year old girl is wearing close to nothing and in clear violation?!? Example:

                          Me: "Um...Susie, you need to pull your top up and put on a longer skirt"

                          Her: "Ew!! You're such a perv! You shouldn't even be looking there!!"

                          *20 minutes later*

                          Principal: "Excuse me, Mr. Beth, but we're going to have to suspend you while we look into this"

                          Me: Ugh.....

                          The students know that they have all the power right now and it's not exactly the coolest thing to work with.
                          I hear that. That is tough, that is why you should let one of your co workers that is a female handle it. Unless you don't have a great staff. That is hard. Any ways good luck.

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                          • dbeth
                            MVP
                            • Aug 2002
                            • 2304

                            #14
                            Re: Exhibit 242B why teachers should be paid more

                            Oh, I totally let the female staff take care of that. No way do I want to even get into that mess....

                            Back to the original post: I really don't care what that kid did...that teacher justifiably should be punished. That's COMPLETELY unacceptable from someone who is supposed to be a "professional". It's his fault it got to that point. In September, a student is harassing you and threatening you? You don't wait until MAY, and then go nutso on him...you take care of it in Sept. If the principal doesn't support you, you deal with the parents, superintendent, director of pupil services, the police, ANYONE!!

                            Just like we tell our students how to handle bullying: find someone, tell someone, and get help. Don't let it build up inside and snap. Unfortunately, this teacher did. And as much as he wants to get back into teaching...sorry, that ain't ever happening again bud.

                            As for pay: I'm happy someone wants to pay me for what I do and I have a job. I enjoy going to work/teach every day...some days are longer than others, but it all evens itself out in the end. They want to pay me more, fine, but I'm NEVER going to complain about it. I get sick of teachers moaning about pay: it's not going to get any better anytime soon, so just get used to it. The last thing the public wants to hear in an economy like this is us complaining about pay that THEY fund! I'm just happy I have a stable job that isn't in jeopardy anytime soon.
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                            • Scottdau
                              Banned
                              • Feb 2003
                              • 32580

                              #15
                              Re: Exhibit 242B why teachers should be paid more

                              Originally posted by dbeth
                              Oh, I totally let the female staff take care of that. No way do I want to even get into that mess....

                              Back to the original post: I really don't care what that kid did...that teacher justifiably should be punished. That's COMPLETELY unacceptable from someone who is supposed to be a "professional". It's his fault it got to that point. In September, a student is harassing you and threatening you? You don't wait until MAY, and then go nutso on him...you take care of it in Sept. If the principal doesn't support you, you deal with the parents, superintendent, director of pupil services, the police, ANYONE!!

                              Just like we tell our students how to handle bullying: find someone, tell someone, and get help. Don't let it build up inside and snap. Unfortunately, this teacher did. And as much as he wants to get back into teaching...sorry, that ain't ever happening again bud.

                              As for pay: I'm happy someone wants to pay me for what I do and I have a job. I enjoy going to work/teach every day...some days are longer than others, but it all evens itself out in the end. They want to pay me more, fine, but I'm NEVER going to complain about it. I get sick of teachers moaning about pay: it's not going to get any better anytime soon, so just get used to it. The last thing the public wants to hear in an economy like this is us complaining about pay that THEY fund! I'm just happy I have a stable job that isn't in jeopardy anytime soon.

                              I totally agree. I love my job and my schedule and the pay is pretty good too.

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