"The devil is here boy, the devil himself"

[Brandon13]

Re: "The devil is here boy, the devil himself"

For everyone calling for this guy to be tortured, I give a warning. Don't let sadism be contagious. That is the ultimate victory of evil. Sometimes humankind fails, and produces a man like this, but we can't fail with him. We have to remove him from society, help the family heal as much as possible, and try to replace his deeds with much better ones.

The acts are unspeakable, but their danger inflates when the average man becomes someone who justifies torture, and wishes to see someone die painfully.

Agreed, and I think nearly everyone here would agree when they really thought about it.

Edit: I knew Cebby would be the wildcard.

[Cebby]

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The acts are unspeakable, but their danger inflates when the average man becomes someone who justifies torture, and wishes to see someone die painfully.

I don't really believe that.

[Bornindamecca]

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The only problem I have with it getting a leathal injection is that it will probably die in a prision cell before it gets his punishment.

Otherwise, I agree.

Another warning here:

Be wary of dehumanizing any human failure. Regardless of extremity, moral failure is a part of the human condition. To separate the failure from the humanity is to separate ourselves as part of the human community.

Doing that opens the door for some of the loathing we cast on others to become loathing we cast on ourselves in moments of failure. When we fail, we have to acknowledge the moment in time, mourn it if necessary, and begin the healing process as soon as possible.

[Cebby]

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Another warning here:

Be wary of dehumanizing any human failure. Regardless of extremity, moral failure is a part of the human condition. To separate the failure from the humanity is to separate ourselves as part of the human community.

The guy raped a young boy, went to prison, got out, groped a boy, made bail, and murdered a family, kidnapped 2 kids, raped and murdered one, and probably intended to do the same to the other.

That's not a single failure. This dude needs to be put down.

[OSUFan_88]

Re: "The devil is here boy, the devil himself"

Another warning here:

Be wary of dehumanizing any human failure. Regardless of extremity, moral failure is a part of the human condition. To separate the failure from the humanity is to separate ourselves as part of the human community.

Doing that opens the door for some of the loathing we cast on others to become loathing we cast on ourselves in moments of failure. When we fail, we have to acknowledge the moment in time, mourn it if necessary, and begin the healing process as soon as possible.

This thing is not a human.

It's the devil, it said so itself. The sooner this thing is punished, the better.

[Gibbz]

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That's so sad. The guy obviously has severe psychological problems. Also, for everyone calling for his head, what purpose would it serve killing him? Keeping him secluded from society and getting him some sort of treatment would be the best punishment.

Do we really want to stoop to the level this psycho did? No offence, but the "eye for an eye" treatment is idiotic, in my opinion.

[OSUFan_88]

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That's so sad. The guy obviously has severe psychological problems.

Sad? For the family yes.

For this guy? Heck no, he knows exactly what he did.

[Bornindamecca]

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The guy raped a young boy, went to prison, got out, groped a boy, made bail, and murdered a family, kidnapped 2 kids, raped and murdered one, and probably intended to do the same to the other.

That's not a single failure. This dude needs to be put down.

Those are all symptoms of the same failure. I agree that he needs to be put down, but that shouldn't be cathartic for us in any way. The level of hypothetical pain he experiences between now and his death doesn't fix anything. The fixing comes when we nurture and educate our society so we can reduce the number of people that feel so weak and alone that they can only gain power by abusing the helpless.

[Brandon13]

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This thing is not a human.

It's the devil, it said so itself. The sooner this thing is punished, the better.

Unfortunately his is human and unfortunately some among us are capable of this type of ****. Throw him in jail for life, it'll be cheaper than executing him and he's most likely going to be killed anyway.

[baumy300]

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The guy raped a young boy, went to prison, got out, groped a boy, made bail, and murdered a family, kidnapped 2 kids, raped and murdered one, and probably intended to do the same to the other.

That's not a single failure. This dude needs to be put down.

We have a winner.

After reading what Cebby wrote, how can you still want to persuade people from abusing that guy?

Sad? For the family yes.

For this guy? Heck no, he knows exactly what he did.

Exactly. He knew it was wrong. Why do you think he didn't want the jury seeing the tape he made?

Bye bye insanity plea.

[Bornindamecca]

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This thing is not a human.

It's the devil, it said so itself. The sooner this thing is punished, the better.

When we draw a line between other people and ourselves, we build the foundation for more unspeakable acts. When people are weak and uneducated, this line is allowed to be pushed back further and further, until we're back in Auschwitz.

Draw those lines, and eventually, all it takes is for one charismatic person to dehumanize the enemies of the oppressed. Then the oppressed become the oppressors and history repeats itself. The only way to break the cycle is to maintain our humanity, and use situations like these as more motivation to improve our emotional and communal intelligence.

[Cebby]

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The fixing comes when we nurture and educate our society so we can reduce the number of people that feel so weak and alone that they can only gain power by abusing the helpless.

I don't know. I'm more inclined to believe that a guy who raped young boys over the span of 30 years would probably do it regardless of what society would do. I think torture is pointless if the person in question isn't a spy, terrorist, enemy combatant, or kidnapping suspect, but I think an execution, body dumping, and erasing him from the records would be a pretty solid plan. Some people are just ****ed up.

Bye bye insanity plea.

He's already been convicted. Now it's just a question of whether he'll be killed by the state or another inmate.

this line is allowed to be pushed back further and further, until we're back in Auschwitz.

If the Germans used Auschwitz for convicted murders and rapists, I wouldn't really have a problem with it. However, I'm not making the connection between killing a man who killed at least 5 people and raped at least 4 boys 10 and under over the span of 30 years and the Germans enslaving and systematically eliminating Jews, Poles, Slavs, gypsies, and gays. My grandfather had immediate family killed in the camps for nothing else than being born Polish. They aren't the same thing.

[Gibbz]

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Sad? For the family yes.

For this guy? Heck no, he knows exactly what he did.

It's sad for both of them. I'm sure this insane guy, whose mind doesn't function like an average human, will be put down like a stray dog.

How does killing him make us any better than him?

Call me crazy, but I can have sympathy for anyone.

[OSUFan_88]

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This guy *yes i'll call him a guy now* deserves nothing more than the death penalty.

Is this guy insane, absolutely, but he knew what he was doing. Why else would he beg and plead for that type not to be shown to the jury. I'll tell you why, because it made him look so freaking guilty, he knew he was going to die.

Reguardless, if they put this guy in a room with other criminals, he'll be dead in a minute. One thing criminals hate the most above everything else is a child molester.

[baumy300]

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Call me crazy, but I can have sympathy for anyone.

What if that was your little brother and sister he did that to?