Anyone Hate That There Is Money...

[BTB]

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Its insane dude. There is so much they don't tell us, its mind blowing. Ever notice how successful politicians are sooo damn rich. George W. Bush owned the ****ing Texans for goodness sake. It goes hand in hand.

For those looking for a succesful career in politics heres some advice: Become at least a multi-millionaire

You guys should all watch the video posted by Vast from the 4 minute mark for about 20 minutes after that. It is VERY interesting and I can attest that it is all factual. Some of the other stuff in the video is questionable and conspiracy theory-esque, but that period of the film definitely brings some questions to light.

For example, what was the policy of money creation or economics in general before the Federal Reserve was created? The gold standard. Maybe we should return to this.

Did you know that we had a federal reserve until Andrew Jackson abolished it in the 1800's? (I learned that in history class somewhere along the line and I guess I chose to forget it). His reasoning was that we would not be a truly free country with a federal reserve printing money from nothing and having to constantly owe the banks.

Definitely interesting stuff.

[auburntigersfan]

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Yeah, without money we would have never cured polio, so it can be easily turned around. Without money, my father would not have survived his bout with cancer.

You can't just go and say money is bad, money is what it is. If you have it, it's good. If you are not happy with your life because you do not have as much money as you want, then go work for it.

And seriously, the argument that is causes stress isn't all too valid. Sure, it causes stress which is not good for anyone, but many times that just happens because people get into debt and can't pay it off. I know there are people living in poverty, but many of them are able to go to the food bank, and get warm clothes because of the generosity of people with money.

It's a double edged sword. I, personally like money. I'm a middle class high schooler and haven't really had any problems when it comes to money, so I'm sure my outlook is much different than that of many others.

[fistofrage]

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The original post is ridiculous. Money is just the medium of exchange. You have no money because you have nothing of value to offer or you are choosing not to offer it. You aren't going to college to make "money" you are going to college to learn a skill that people demand.

What you are implying is that if there wasn't money you'd be able to do what you wished. No people aren't just going to give you things for nothing in return. With or without money, you would still need to have value as an individual.

You are describing a mix between a silly sense of entitlement and communism.

[TMagic]

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For all those who say we wouldn't have this and that if we didn't have money:

How can you be so sure of that? Really?

My girl brought up this point to me as well. But, I don't think it's crazy to think that we couldn't have what we have today.

Some will say that there wouldn't be any motivation for people to do anything without some type of currency or reward.

But I don't think that is wholly true. This may be a very small example, but I think it applies:

But look at all the people that are just on this website alone. Plenty are spending countless hours, days, and weeks of their time working on Rosters, Sliders, Maps, etc for all of our games. For others to enjoy. They don't get any type of earnings from it. Nothing but thank you's. But they continue to do it, year after year after year. And again, we're just seeing that on this website alone.

Why can't it be like that with other things in life?

What about Dr. King and Gondhi? Were they paid for their efforts? The great philosophers and scientists of the past? Were they making great wages?

I think that there are people out in the world who would do great things without needing money. And if we all were like that from the start, then it wouldn't as crazy a thing to think of as it is now, because it's not like that now at all.

[fistofrage]

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For all those who say we wouldn't have this and that if we didn't have money:

How can you be so sure of that? Really?

My girl brought up this point to me as well. But, I don't think it's crazy to think that we couldn't have what we have today.

Some will say that there wouldn't be any motivation for people to do anything without some type of currency or reward.

But I don't think that is wholly true. This may be a very small example, but I think it applies:

But look at all the people that are just on this website alone. Plenty are spending countless hours, days, and weeks of their time working on Rosters, Sliders, Maps, etc for all of our games. For others to enjoy. They don't get any type of earnings from it. Nothing but thank you's. But they continue to do it, year after year after year. And again, we're just seeing that on this website alone.

Why can't it be like that with other things in life?

What about Dr. King and Gondhi? Were they paid for their efforts? The great philosophers and scientists of the past? Were they making great wages?

I think that there are people out in the world who would do great things without needing money. And if we all were like that from the start, then it wouldn't as crazy a thing to think of as it is now, because it's not like that now at all.

Huge difference between a hobby and work. Sliders, games, forums, are just a hobby. And we are paying a price for those hobbies. There is an opportunity cost to everything you do. People do sliders and rosters for themselves first and then share them. They do it knowing there is no tangible value. If there is tangible value to something you do, then you should expect to be paid for it.

As far as MLK and Ghandi. They had people behind the scenes supplying their causes with funds. The people who supported these leaders worked for those funds and then donated it. To the supporters, these leaders supplied great value with their oratory, intelligence, etc.

Either way, I think you are missing the point that human beings are trading goods and services for other goods and services. Money is just a way to turn these into a tangible tradable item. Bottom line, if you aren't supplying value to somebody, you aren't getting anything except for handouts.

[countryboy]

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anyone else find it ironic that this topic was started by the same person thats looking to get into the stock market.

[vinny]

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anyone else find it ironic that this topic was started by the same person thats looking to get into the stock market.

I saw that too before even entering the thread.

[countryboy]

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For all those who say we wouldn't have this and that if we didn't have money:

How can you be so sure of that? Really?

My girl brought up this point to me as well. But, I don't think it's crazy to think that we couldn't have what we have today.

Some will say that there wouldn't be any motivation for people to do anything without some type of currency or reward.

But I don't think that is wholly true. This may be a very small example, but I think it applies:

But look at all the people that are just on this website alone. Plenty are spending countless hours, days, and weeks of their time working on Rosters, Sliders, Maps, etc for all of our games. For others to enjoy. They don't get any type of earnings from it. Nothing but thank you's. But they continue to do it, year after year after year. And again, we're just seeing that on this website alone.

Why can't it be like that with other things in life?

What about Dr. King and Gondhi? Were they paid for their efforts? The great philosophers and scientists of the past? Were they making great wages?

I think that there are people out in the world who would do great things without needing money. And if we all were like that from the start, then it wouldn't as crazy a thing to think of as it is now, because it's not like that now at all.

First, if you want to see what a country is like without money, just take a gander at any 3rd world country.

Second, as far as "great" wages for past workers and such, its all about the times man. The value of a dollar is different now than it was then. I'm sure those who had those types of jobs, were well comensated given the era. I'm sure they lived a more luxurious life style than those with blue collar jobs, just like today.

And finally, if people depended on making rosters, sliders, or what have you, as a means of putting food on the table, clothes on their back and so on so forth, I'm sure they'd want compensation for their time and effort. Hell, we have some folks that do.

[TMagic]

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anyone else find it ironic that this topic was started by the same person thats looking to get into the stock market.

I thought about that when I posted it. I was waiting on someone to bring that up.

It's not that I hate that there is money. Bad choice of words I guess. I just wish that it wouldn't be such a limiting factor in one's life.

I'm a victim of what money has turned this world into. So to be able to do what I would like to do in life, I'd like to make money. It's not because I want to have wealth. It's just that I want to be able to do things I enjoy, and I wish I didn't have to count on money to do them.

[Trevytrev11]

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It's not so much the money as it is the things.

Example:

Me and my girl have been together for 4 years. The only reason we don't want to get married now is because of money.

What does money have to do with getting married? It's not any more expensive to just be married as it is to be single. In fact, there are tax breaks, healthcare breaks and many other breaks (shared living, utlities, etc.) that you would enjoy if you were married. You can get married for the simple cost of a justice of the peace ceremony, which is minimal. The fact you want a NICE wedding is the deal breaker. So it's really the fact that you desire something better than what could have that is holding you back.

There are plenty of places around the world that will never get to be seen because people don't have the money. There are many places I want to go, but I can't because of damn money.

You can travel almost anywhere for a low cost, but I'm sure you want to do it in a nice way. You can ride a bike, hitch a ride, take a boat (make a raft), walk, do it for charity, etc. But you want to travel in a bit of luxury I'm sure, which is why you must pay. That is your choice. The options are there, you just want more.

I can't go to the Lakers/Celtics game on Christmas because of money.

Why do you have to go to the game, why not just watch it on TV? The fact you want to go to the game, when you already have a great means to enjoy it is your choice, you want more. Maybe you can find someone that would be willing to give you tickets in exchange for work. You paint there house, they give you tickets or something. Then no money is involved.

Isn't it more about greed than need? The things you want are available to you, just not at the level you desire them.

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BTW, those aren't my true feelings, more of just me playing devils advocate. We had a nice wedding, I like to go on nice vacations and attend live sporting events to.

The fact is there has to be some sort of means of trade and reward. Shouldn't a doctor, who works hard at his trade be able to experience and enjoy nicer things that someone who is lazy, didn't go to school and wants to be in a less specialized trade? If not what is the incentive for him to put in the extra work.

Do you think there are as many people that actually want to be janitors, plumbers, garbage men, waitresses, burger flippers, etc. as there are actually people who do these things? How many NBA basketball players would have worked as hard at their game if they knew it wouldn't pay off with a better life? I would love nothing more than to sit at home and play video games all my life and if I could make $2 Million a year doing so, I probably would have played a lot more, but it won't get me the things I desire, so I had to do something else that I don't enjoy nearly as much.

Would you trade me your Xbox 360/PS3 for a loaf of bread? Probably not, right? You obvoisuly value your system more than you value a loaf of bread. What if I gave you a new Mercedes instead? Money is just a way to put a tangible value to your needs and wants.

[Cebby]

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For all those who say we wouldn't have this and that if we didn't have money:

How can you be so sure of that? Really?

There are 2 things that can be used as motivation for people to work, external rewards (money) or the threat of punishment (prison, exile, death).

But I don't think that is wholly true. This may be a very small example, but I think it applies:

But look at all the people that are just on this website alone. Plenty are spending countless hours, days, and weeks of their time working on Rosters, Sliders, Maps, etc for all of our games. For others to enjoy. They don't get any type of earnings from it. Nothing but thank you's. But they continue to do it, year after year after year. And again, we're just seeing that on this website alone.

1. Most of those people do it for themselves and merely post them online.

2. With rosters, they do get donations

3. There's a huge difference between posting the sliders and rosters you made online and working 8 hours in a factory.

Why can't it be like that with other things in life?

Go ask the Soviets, Chinese, or the other communist states.

The great philosophers and scientists of the past? Were they making great wages?

Most of the "philosophers" were quite rich. Most modern scientists of the last 100 some years were compensated quite well.

Basically, you want communism. While it does work fantastically, I'm not sure it's right for us right now.

If you want money so badly, sell cocaine.

Or you could, you know, buy fewer things. You don't need to go to a Lakers/Celtics game, nor do you need a giant wedding, or any of the other crap you talk about.

[Trevytrev11]

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For all those who say we wouldn't have this and that if we didn't have money:

How can you be so sure of that? Really?

My girl brought up this point to me as well. But, I don't think it's crazy to think that we couldn't have what we have today.

I'm sure you'd have a lot of the fun stuff. But who would install plumbing? I can't imagine that most plumbers think their job is a "fun" and "ideal" way to spend their time. I'm sure most would rather be golfing or fishing or playing video games. How many people want to be on an assembly line of any type or do any kind of factory work? Who wants to bag groceries?

As someone else said, look at the countries without money and look at how unadvanced they are overall. Much is due to a lack of natural resources, but the rest is due to the fact that they just don't have the means, which has to be due to the fact that they don't have money to give them the ability to do the things other countries do.

[fistofrage]

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anyone else find it ironic that this topic was started by the same person thats looking to get into the stock market.

From what I am taking from this thread is this dude wants a get rich quick scheme or some other way to get something for nothing. He wants to be able to do all these things and have all these things without money. So want I want to know is, what does this guy bring to the table? Or is it just some sense of entitlement? I don't get it, even if there was no money and even if you lived in a commune you still have to provide something of value to the society you live in.

[ehh]

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I'm going to play the Devil's Advocate here and be willing to bet that you would change your tune if you had a lot of it.

On a personal note though, I agree with you.

"Whoever said 'money is the root of all evil' never had any."

Money is required, I don't want Communism present and I don't want to live in a 3rd world country either, like someone mentioned above.

Life is hard, it takes a lot of effort, time and patience to earn a good living. I think some younger people (just out of college) think life in the real world is going to be easy just because you have a degree from a good college or university. I have one from a very good school and I'm still working two jobs to help make ends meet.

[The C]

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i want an entire economy based on knick knacks.

10 beanie babies make a pokemon card. 10 pokemon cards make a Furby and 10 furbys (furbies?) make a tickle me elmo.