NYPD Officer killed by....

[RAZRr1275]

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that's absolute nonsense. It's not irresponsible at all to be giving people the benefit of the doubt UNTIL evidence of the later is present. Just a person of one color killing a person of another color is not evidence.

Irresponsible is drawing conclusions based on something that could easily have been just coincidence. Your logic is flawed.

That's like saying "NOBODY knows what happened to something missing from a store, so it's just as irresponsible to say it might have been misplaced as it is to say it was stolen". It's not irresponsible at all. WHat's irresponsible is to start throwing out accusations of something racist like this in the first place.


He was shot because he was running with a gun in hand and didnt drop it upon being told to do so by police. You really think had it been a white person running with a gun the officer would have though "okay, he dont need to drop that, he's white"

You have no clue what that guy was thinking. The facts don't make a story.

[Keirik]

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And I say you're wrong. Except for the mentally ill , nobody would cry the "race card" if they truly felt that all things were on the up and up. Look things are SLOOOOOOOWLY getting better but DO NOT expect every minority in the world to start singing and dancing in the streets with a big smile. Just like it took HUNDREDS of years to create the situation that we're in now in the US it's going to take YEARS upon YEARS to even come close to getting square.

not true at all. Reporters cry the race card because it's a story. A lot of times minority leaders such as Sharpton cry the race card because it's the easiest way to push a cause regardless of what life it might ruin along the way needlessly.


sometimes it's justified, but dont act like every, or even most, times the racial card is played, its from something legit, especially when we are talking third party here.

[Keirik]

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You have no clue what that guy was thinking. The facts don't make a story.

actually, i do. I'm a police officer, and we're all trained on the proper techniques when approaching an unidentified person with a weapon.

[SHO]

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NOBODY knows what happened so it's just as irresponsible to say it wasn't racially motivated as it is to say it is. It's easy to complain about people using "the race card" if it isn't part of your life. What people NEED to focus their energy on is making the world better so that the "race card" will never be needed. If people want to get angry get angry on that.

Agreed. Powerful post.

[Keirik]

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in a nutshell this is what happened

Edwards had his 9 mm-gun in hand and was chasing a homeless man who had broken into his Nissan car when he was shot and killed Thursday by the plainclothes officer who thought he was an armed criminal, police said.

Another officer at the scene said he saw Edwards turning around with his gun pointed at the two officers and a sergeant pursuing him, according to authorities

The partners of the shooter said that before he opened fire the officer identified himself and demanded that Edwards drop his gun, police said at a Friday briefing.


Responding officers who tended to Edwards after he was shot didn't know he was a police officer until they opened his shirt and saw he was wearing a Police Academy T-shirt, a police source said. His badge was in his pants pocket.

The officer who fired the six shots at Edwards is a four-year veteran assigned to the 25th Precinct anti-crime team and was patrolling in an unmarked Chevy Impala car at the time, police said.

[totalownership]

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that's absolute nonsense. It's not irresponsible at all to be giving people the benefit of the doubt UNTIL evidence of the later is present. Just a person of one color killing a person of another color is not evidence.

Irresponsible is drawing conclusions based on something that could easily have been just coincidence. Your logic is flawed.

That's like saying "NOBODY knows what happened to something missing from a store, so it's just as irresponsible to say it might have been misplaced as it is to say it was stolen". It's not irresponsible at all. WHat's irresponsible is to start throwing out accusations of something racist like this in the first place.


He was shot because he was running with a gun in hand and didnt drop it upon being told to do so by police. You really think had it been a white person running with a gun the officer would have though "okay, he dont need to drop that, he's white"

Huh?

not true at all. Reporters cry the race card because it's a story. A lot of times minority leaders such as Sharpton cry the race card because it's the easiest way to push a cause regardless of what life it might ruin along the way needlessly.


sometimes it's justified, but dont act like every, or even most, times the racial card is played, its from something legit, especially when we are talking third party here.

What?

actually, i do. I'm a police officer, and we're all trained on the proper techniques when approaching an unidentified person with a weapon.

Ok that explains everything.

Ok , and I'll tell you right now, that's a bunch of bull. Not everyone does everything. So I guess the guy that got in my face 12 years ago flashing his gun from his waist and when a crowd starts to gather THEN he pulls out his badge was following procedures.

I'm walking home with my girl at the time and some idiot pulls up like Mario Andretti and almost hits us and I let him have a piece of his mind. He starts spouting off at the mouth and I start walking to him, he lifts his shirt and shows a gun FROM HIS WAIST, and I get louder and keep walking forward THEN this reason why condoms were invented identifies he's a cop. I then LAUGH in his face. NO HONOR , PURE SCUM to act in such a manner and have the nerve to call himself a cop.

Well after him and I guess his family get in the car and pull off no less than 1/2 a minute passes and a marked car drives up and I explain to them some dude in a van is flashed a gun. And I kept it moving. I guess this piece of crap was following procedure.

Please PLEASE don't sit up here and try to convice me that "cops follow procedures" that's insulting my intelligence. After being born and raised in the Bronx you can try to sell that bridge to another chump.

[RAZRr1275]

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actually, i do. I'm a police officer, and we're all trained on the proper techniques when approaching an unidentified person with a weapon.

so cops are trained to know exactly what other cops are thinking at all times, i've never heard about that?

[RAZRr1275]

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in a nutshell this is what happened

Edwards had his 9 mm-gun in hand and was chasing a homeless man who had broken into his Nissan car when he was shot and killed Thursday by the plainclothes officer who thought he was an armed criminal, police said.

Another officer at the scene said he saw Edwards turning around with his gun pointed at the two officers and a sergeant pursuing him, according to authorities

The partners of the shooter said that before he opened fire the officer identified himself and demanded that Edwards drop his gun, police said at a Friday briefing.


Responding officers who tended to Edwards after he was shot didn't know he was a police officer until they opened his shirt and saw he was wearing a Police Academy T-shirt, a police source said. His badge was in his pants pocket.

The officer who fired the six shots at Edwards is a four-year veteran assigned to the 25th Precinct anti-crime team and was patrolling in an unmarked Chevy Impala car at the time, police said.

As I said before facts never tell a full story. Nothing is that black and white. You'd have to know what he was thinking to know what actually happened.

[superjames1992]

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Gotta love all the wild speculation by both sides in this thread!

[Keirik]

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Huh?


What?



Ok that explains everything.

Ok , and I'll tell you right now, that's a bunch of bull. Not everyone does everything. So I guess the guy that got in my face 12 years ago flashing his gun from his waist and when a crowd starts to gather THEN he pulls out his badge was following procedures.

I'm walking home with my girl at the time and some idiot pulls up like Mario Andretti and almost hits us and I let him have a piece of his mind. He starts spouting off at the mouth and I start walking to him, he lifts his shirt and shows a gun FROM HIS WAIST, and I get louder and keep walking forward THEN this reason why condoms were invented identifies he's a cop. I then LAUGH in his face. NO HONOR , PURE SCUM to act in such a manner and have the nerve to call himself a cop.

Well after him and I guess his family get in the car and pull off no less than 1/2 a minute passes and a marked car drives up and I explain to them some dude in a van is flashed a gun. And I kept it moving. I guess this piece of crap was following procedure.

Please PLEASE don't sit up here and try to convice me that "cops follow procedures" that's insulting my intelligence. After being born and raised in the Bronx you can try to sell that bridge to another chump.

lol, classic. You have a bad experience, so suddely most cops do the same things. Typical biased nonsense as usual, but i wouldn't expect less.

Absolutely none of that is even remotely relevent to this situation, so why even bother bringing this up? Are you trying to hint that the officer in the shooting this time did anything similar to the story you just told?

Nice little story though! lol

[Keirik]

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so cops are trained to know exactly what other cops are thinking at all times, i've never heard about that?

never said cops are trained to know what each other think. I said i believe i know what the officer was thinking based on his actions at the secen. Cops are trained to follow procedure. By the accounts of MANY at the scene, the officer did just this. What, outside of the shade of skin color, hints anything remotely different?

[RAZRr1275]

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lol, classic. You have a bad experience, so suddely most cops do the same things. Typical biased nonsense as usual, but i wouldn't expect less.

Absolutely none of that is even remotely relevent to this situation, so why even bother bringing this up? Are you trying to hint that the officer in the shooting this time did anything similar to the story you just told?

Nice little story though! lol

Actually it's completely relevent. It's showing that cops aren't always acting on procedure. And also your bad experience theory is way off. Way too many "bad experiences" as you put them happen to write them off.

never said cops are trained to know what each other think. I said i believe i know what the officer was thinking based on his actions at the secen. Cops are trained to follow procedure. By the accounts of MANY at the scene, the officer did just this. What, outside of the shade of skin color, hints anything remotely different?

I'm not saying that this thing was racially motivated. I'm just saying that unless you know what was going on in this guys head you don't know if he was following procedure or not.

[Keirik]

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Actually it's completely relevent. It's showing that cops aren't always acting on procedure. And also your bad experience theory is way off. Way too many "bad experiences" as you put them happen to write them off.


I'm not saying that this thing was racially motivated. I'm just saying that unless you know what was going on in this guys head you don't know if he was following procedure or not.

show me where in the eyewitnesses accounts it shows any deviation from procedure (assuming you know it)


as i've said before. If all accounts are that he followed procedure, identified himself as an officer, saw a gun from a plain clothes person with no identification ready, and saw this same person turn with his gun still drawn AFTER being told by an identified police officer to stop, not move, etc, then speculating that the color of the person with the gun's skin had anything to do with this is pretty irresponsible.

If a week later there is a jacket of racially "biased" cases involving him, then start with the idea that possibly there was more to this. At this time though, there is nothing that hints at that.


Not once did i ever say that all officers are above the possibility of prejudice. Of course there are many. We're all human just like everyone else. Society gets sickening though with automatically trying to sway every bi-racial incident into something that has anything to do with race.


Had Officer Edwards just stopped, placed his gun on the ground slowly, and followed instructions, he'd be alive right now with a few items missing from his personal vehicle. Unfortunately he probably fell into that "tunnel vision" where all he saw was the suspect he himself was chasing and tuned out the environment around him. It's very common among police officers.

[RAZRr1275]

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show me where in the eyewitnesses accounts it shows any deviation from procedure (assuming you know it)


as i've said before. If all accounts are that he followed procedure, identified himself as an officer, saw a gun from a plain clothes person with no identification ready, and saw this same person turn with his gun still drawn AFTER being told by an identified police officer to stop, not move, etc, then speculating that the color of the person with the gun's skin had anything to do with this is pretty irresponsible.

If a week later there is a jacket of racially "biased" cases involving him, then start with the idea that possibly there was more to this. At this time though, there is nothing that hints at that.


Not once did i ever say that all officers are above the possibility of prejudice. Of course there are many. We're all human just like everyone else. Society gets sickening though with automatically trying to sway every bi-racial incident into something that has anything to do with race.


Had Officer Edwards just stopped, placed his gun on the ground slowly, and followed instructions, he'd be alive right now with a few items missing from his personal vehicle. Unfortunately he probably fell into that "tunnel vision" where all he saw was the suspect he himself was chasing and tuned out the environment around him. It's very common among police officers.

no eyewitness account is going to tell you what that guy was thinking when he shot the cop.

Society is sickening? really?

I think i'm done with this thread.

[totalownership]

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lol, classic. You have a bad experience, so suddely most cops do the same things. Typical biased nonsense as usual, but i wouldn't expect less.

Absolutely none of that is even remotely relevent to this situation, so why even bother bringing this up? Are you trying to hint that the officer in the shooting this time did anything similar to the story you just told?

Nice little story though! lol

If you use a little reading comprehension you would see that I think the profession has HONOR which is too often violated by lowlifes with badges. "NO HONOR , PURE SCUM to act in such a manner and have the nerve to call himself a cop.". Did you miss that part?

Ok let's dissect your response: "lol, classic. You have a bad experience, so suddely most cops do the same things. Typical biased nonsense as usual, but i wouldn't expect less."

First off DO NOT try to marginalize what I've experienced in life. Because it doesn't happen to you it doesn't matter? That real boils me. But it strengthens me. By the way I've had more than one bad experience with chumps with badges and have had some great experience with police officers. But your reply is disturbing "typical" "I wouldn't expect less". I PRAY for the community you serve that you don't go to work with that same attitude.

Next: "Absolutely none of that is even remotely relevent to this situation, so why even bother bringing this up? Are you trying to hint that the officer in the shooting this time did anything similar to the story you just told?"
Ok I'll spell it out for you, although I thought it was already clear. You mentioned "procedure". I mentioned a story where this so-called "procedure" did not follow. If this guy INDEED follow procedure then there are some deep rooted problems in the police force that even I didn't know about. I'll speak with my cousin who's a NYPD officer and ask him if indeed this is "procedure". Got it now?

And now for the statement that sums up the whole thing: "Nice little story though! lol"
I'm talking about MY FREAKING LIFE and to you it's a nice little story? I'm talking about a situation that could have gone seriously bad for the chump, me , my loved ones and his loved ones and it's a "nice little story" to you? Something to be laughed at? THIS is a CLEAR example of what I'm talking about. There ain't a DAMN thing funny about it.