What Are Some Rights Citizens Have When Dealing With The Law?

[p_rushing]

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Example:

ZB9 is in his backyard smoking a joint. I walk by and from the sidewalk I'm able to see him. He yells "**** you mf'er, you piece of ****, I hope you die".

I can obtain a search warrant to enter the house, but can't go in right away.

So yea complain about lack of rights, citizens get too many freedoms! That's why society is so bad, there needs to be more punishment.

In that case, smelling it would enable them to have probable cause. You could enter the house to arrest him, but not search the entire house.

[ChubbyBanana]

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Just a warning not to make this discussion personal. It seems everyone is getting along so far, but from past experiences with threads like this it doesn't always end this way.

[ZB9]

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You need to alter your statements. You are implying that all officers will lie. I consider this a personal attack in a thread I'm trying to help people understand their rights better.

If you want to attack others on a message board because of your past experiences, I can't stop you. However please be politically correct.

btw, im not saying all officers will lie, just that some of them will

It's only my opinion. I am not trying to offend you, and im not attacking you

[Chaos81]

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Officers are not legally allowed to walk around your private property to get a peek inside.

Let me rephrase that.

Police officers I've come in contact with walk around your house to see what's inside, legal or not.


EDIT: Reading some of the replies, I want to make it perfectly clear I'm not saying all police officers will do so.

[mKoz26]

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Like an earlier poster (maybe Cebby) stated:

If you aren't breaking the law, you've got nothing to worry about. Don't break the law.

[ZB9]

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pay attention to this man

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[Ruffy]

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What else is a lawyer going to tell you?

If your accused of a crime then yes...id seak council, if you feel you are innocent or not.

But i mean this thread suggest no one should talk to them ever.....and we wonder why murders in broad daylight never get solved in some places.....

If your committing crimes then expect to see the law at somepoint....it will happen.

That first video hell....the lawyer explaining the first explanation is heresay on his part. he wasn't there...

If I was ever accused of something along any of those lines, enough that the authorities were called...id get a lawyer. Then when i win I sew there butt for fees etc...

[deaduck]

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The best advise a lawyer ever gave me.

If I'm a bystander, co-operate with law enforcement.

If I'm innocent, follow the officers instructions but do not volunteer anything.

If I'm guilty, be a mime. Get a lawyer.

[stewaat]

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Deaduck is spot on.

[stewaat]

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In that case, smelling it would enable them to have probable cause. You could enter the house to arrest him, but not search the entire house.

I want to say you can't do this. I am fairly certain you need a search/arrest warrant, consent, or exigent circumstances.

This might under exigent circumstances based on the fact that the evidence might be discarded by the time you get back with a search warrant.

I'm gonna look it up and I'll report back later!

[ryan36]

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I think the real issue here is not that people do or do not have rights, it's that it doesn't occur to the citizens to use them. When a cop or five comes upto you with a holstered weapon, a tazer, a shiny badge, and a nightstick, saying "no" isn't the easiest thing to do.

The important thing here is that people want to not "look guilty" if they are charged with something. Never make a statement, never let anyone search your house or car. Basically anything a cop asks you for permission to do is because they want to arrest you faster. If it ever gets to a jury, and they ask why you denied permission , you just say "I didn't know what was going on and I've watched a lot of law and order." They'll understand.

[slickdtc]

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I believe Dislimb posted this in the NFL forum earlier this year. I forget the topic of discussion, but I watched the full video (it's 45 minutes) and it gave some pretty valuable information.

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I've had a few encounters with police in my lifetime, and honestly, I get nervous even if they're really just asking questions and I'm not in any sort of trouble. This video showed me how to be more calm and how to deal with the police. It's amazing how many people don't know their simple rights.

[ryan36]

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So yea complain about lack of rights, citizens get too many freedoms! That's why society is so bad, there needs to be more punishment.

See, I think that THIS just fuels the stereotype against police, Stewaat. There doesn't need to be more punishment, there needs to be more effective punishment. The fact that corrections is the fastest growing job sector in this country (or at least was 2 years ago, according to a corrections officer I know), is to me ample evidence that locking people up doesn't do anything.

We should ALWAYS err on the side of citizens' rights, and officers everywhere should realize they ARE citizens.

[stewaat]

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See, I think that THIS just fuels the stereotype against police, Stewaat. There doesn't need to be more punishment, there needs to be more effective punishment. The fact that corrections is the fastest growing job sector in this country (or at least was 2 years ago, according to a corrections officer I know), is to me ample evidence that locking people up doesn't do anything.

We should ALWAYS err on the side of law abiding citizens' rights, and officers everywhere should realize they ARE citizens.

This is a good argument.

The problem is the jails being overcrowded and having very bad individuals released on serious charges. They need to be locked up for a long time.

The problem is we don't even punish to the extent we should. Why should somebody fear committing a crime when there isn't a huge consequence? People get arrested like 20 times and get back on the street to commit another crime.

[ryan36]

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This is a good argument.

The problem is the jails being overcrowded and having very bad individuals released on serious charges. They need to be locked up for a long time.

The problem is we don't even punish to the extent we should. Why should somebody fear committing a crime when there isn't a huge consequence? People get arrested like 20 times and get back on the street to commit another crime.

Well, because the goal is either deterrent or rehabilitation , and we have a system which does neither. And in this day and age of background checks, young guys get out of jail (misdemeanants, minor offenses), are branded for life and will either do manual labor or fail their probation 'cause they can't get hired. It's the re-entry aspect of the system where we fail as a society.