The younger generation and their view on "snitchin and loyalty"

[CWSapp757]

I was teaching my art therapy class last week and we finished the session early. I decided to engage them in a discussion in an attempt to see how they felt about certain things. First thing I asked them was how they felt about snitchin. Just about all of them said that they "hate snitches" and there is "never an acceptable time to snitch".

So i presented them with a situation that happened to me a few years ago. Me and two friends of mine were my car in my friend's apartment parking lot. They were smoking cigarettes and I was chillin listening to some music. Next thing you know, the police run up on us with guns drawn. They put us on the ground and cuff us. They look on the floor in my backseat and found some illegal drugs. He walks over to me and asks me what I know about the drugs. Now, I know which one of my friends it belonged to, but I gave him a couple seconds to speak up on his own. Surprisingly, he did and admitted that the drugs belonged to him and that me or my other friend had nothing to do with it. Oddly enough the cops just gave him a warning and took the drugs (hmmm wonder what they did with it, lol).

Anyway, I told the kids in the class that if he wouldn't have spoke up for himself, I would have had no problem telling the police that it belonged to him because I'm not willing to go down for his own stupid mistake. The kids went crazy. The room was cluttered with quotes like "Where's the loyalty", "man you ain't no real friend" and "you a straight snitch homie". I simply told them that a real friend would step up and not let you take the fall for something they did. They weren't buying it though.

I just think it is sad to know that some many of these kids think like that. Willing to throw everything away for show some freaking "loyalty" to someone who probably wouldn't even do the same for you anyway. Its crazy. Anyone else have any thoughts on this?

[Lintyfresh85]

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I think this will bring out a lot of interesting responses.

I've always felt that there's no need to 'snitch' if the punishment/crime doesn't involve you. But If I'm going to go down for something someone else did... and they won't come clean; not a chance I keep quiet about it.

[Cusefan]

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They only hate snitches because thats what they hear on the radio. Lets see how loyal they really are when they are facing 20 years in prison.

[Mo]

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They only know what they see.

They see on tv programs, that snitches are bad, so that's what they know.

[Knight165]

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They only hate snitches because thats what they hear on the radio. Lets see how loyal they really are when they are facing 20 years in prison.

I agree...but..
It won't take a twenty year rap looming in most cases...
An arrest on Friday always led to a little info on someone higher up the chain than on Monday.
People like to act tough....until they really have to be tough.
When the $h!t is on.....it's easy to tell a persons real make up.
My guess.....most people will be lining up to start spilling their guts.

M.K.
Knight165

[Knight165]

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...and just for clarification....I am speaking only of people who CLAIM they won't snitch and "hate snitches".....
I'm not speaking of guys like the OP who like myself...will not dummy up for a dummy(who also...like he said.....most likely wouldn't do the same)

M.K.
Knight165

[Trevytrev11]

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A week or two down the road, you should put this to a test. Have someone in your class in on it. If you want to isolate a few of these "anti-snitches" let everyone else, but them in on it.

Leave a planted wallet in your desk with a few hundred dollars in it. A few minuts before class, when some of these kids are in class, tell them you have to run to the restroom and will be right back.

Have the person in on it, go through your desk and take your cash.

Don't mention anything until the next class. In the next class, ask if anyone saw anything. Give the person a chance to come clean or face the consequences. The person, who is on it, obviously will not do anything.

After that, tell the class that unless you find out who took your money and they return it, everyone will fail, and if they are smart enought to know you can't legally do that to them, tell them you will make this class harder than it's ever been to guaranatee that they all fail.

See if any of these anti-snitches come clean. Would be an interesting experiment if nothing else.

I think Miss Bliss did something similar on an old episode of Saved by the Bell.

[sb24]

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Has anyone watched the show DEA on spike? Man it was really funny watching those people snitch at the drop of a hat to avoid their charges. Some were like "i cant snitch" then they would be told "so you want 20 years?" and names would fly. And not even just names, they would set up their "friend." Thats snitching. Its annoying what kids will follow.

[Lintyfresh85]

Re: The younger generation and their view on "snitchin and loyalty"

A week or two down the road, you should put this to a test. Have someone in your class in on it. If you want to isolate a few of these "anti-snitches" let everyone else, but them in on it.

Leave a planted wallet in your desk with a few hundred dollars in it. A few minuts before class, when some of these kids are in class, tell them you have to run to the restroom and will be right back.

Have the person in on it, go through your desk and take your cash.

Don't mention anything until the next class. In the next class, ask if anyone saw anything. Give the person a chance to come clean or face the consequences. The person, who is on it, obviously will not do anything.

After that, tell the class that unless you find out who took your money and they return it, everyone will fail, and if they are smart enought to know you can't legally do that to them, tell them you will make this class harder than it's ever been to guaranatee that they all fail.

See if any of these anti-snitches come clean. Would be an interesting experiment if nothing else.

I think Miss Bliss did something similar on an old episode of Saved by the Bell.

I think that's a wonderful idea... but... lets say just one kid turns the plant in. Wouldn't that kid be subject to beatings by his classmates for being a snitch?

[DC]

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Can't expect them to understand.

[Cusefan]

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From CNN...
Police: Juveniles laughed after setting 15-year-old on fire

CNN) -- Five juveniles were in custody Tuesday after a 15-year-old was intentionally set on fire at a Deerfield Beach, Florida, apartment complex, police said.
Police say Michael Brewer, 15, is expected to be hospitalized for five months.


Michael Brewer suffered second-degree burns over 80 percent of his body. "He's in for a long, long recovery," Broward County Sheriff Al Lamberti told reporters.

Three juveniles were arrested Monday night, hours after the incident, and two others were arrested Tuesday, sheriff's Sgt. Steve Feeley said.

"A couple of them last night were laughing about it," he said. "One of them arrested today seems genuinely sorry about it."

The youths all attend school together, police said, and Brewer apparently owed one of the suspects $40 for a video game and had not paid it. So the suspect allegedly stole the victim's father's bicycle, Feeley said. Brewer reported the bicycle stolen Sunday, and the suspect was arrested that day, taken to a detention center and released to his parents early Monday, police said. Video Watch Lamberti describe the alleged motive »

Neither Brewer nor the suspect went to school Monday, and the victim was waiting at the apartment complex for his friends when the suspect and two other people approached him, Feeley said.

From what the suspects and witnesses have told police, the suspect yelled, "He's a snitch, he's a snitch" and "pour it on him." Another juvenile threw what police believe was rubbing alcohol on Brewer from a plastic jug and used a lighter to set him on fire, he said.

Witness Provindencia Maldenero told CNN affiliate WPLG, "I saw a kid throwing something at the other kid, and next thing you know, the kid was on fire. He was up in fire."

A resident used a fire extinguisher to put out the flames, and Brewer jumped into the complex's swimming pool, WPLG reported.

Malissa Durkee, the teen's sister, told WPLG on Monday night that her brother was in critical condition. Lamberti said Brewer is expected to be hospitalized for five months.

"In my 31 years -- I always say, 'it's the most heinous crime I've ever seen,' " Lamberti told reporters Tuesday. "This one fits in that category. The fact that a person would intentionally ignite another child on fire -- it's indescribable."

Brewer "reported somebody for stealing his dad's bike," the sheriff said. "That's what this comes down to. It's retaliation. They deliberately sought him out, poured alcohol on him and set him on fire. I can tell you there's no way to explain it, no way to rationalize it."
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Police believe the three arrested Monday night took an "active role" in the incident, while the other two helped surround Brewer and prevented him from leaving, Feeley said.

He said authorities are hoping to interview Brewer on Wednesday or Thursday.

[CWSapp757]

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That is terrible. Really, really sad story. When did this occur Cuse?

[Cusefan]

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Not sure, i just picked it up off of CNN.com

[buttsakk]

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I think that's a wonderful idea... but... lets say just one kid turns the plant in. Wouldn't that kid be subject to beatings by his classmates for being a snitch?

Simple, you previously setup a kid to "steal" the plant.

err... you talk to one of your 'trustworthy' kids and tell them you want them to steal the money. Nobody else should know this except you and the kid.

[Trevytrev11]

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Simple, you previously setup a kid to "steal" the plant.

err... you talk to one of your 'trustworthy' kids and tell them you want them to steal the money. Nobody else should know this except you and the kid.

I think he meant the "snitch" would be subject to getting beat up for being a snitch..not the plant that you previously agreed to have fake steal the money from the wallet.