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  • KSUowls
    All Star
    • Jul 2009
    • 5891

    #916
    Re: OS Book Club Pt II

    Originally posted by Fresh Tendrils
    Mistborn: The Well of Ascension by Brandon Sanderson

    Whatever flaws I had found in the first book of the trilogy were thoroughly addressed in the second installment. As a result I loved this book from start to finish. The action, as he had established in The Final Empire, remains imaginative and thrilling. I love the system of "magick" Sanderson has developed and he uses it to great affect throughout as he weaves into the narrative and continues to build upon the established lore. The lore of the universe continues to build upon itself and finds inclusion throughout the narrative in very satisfying ways as characters find themselves connected to the world they're now shaping. The balance of intrapersonal and interpersonal struggles is fascinating as the simple caper story of the first novel is replaced by ideological and political balancing acts.

    Most impressive to me, however, was how greatly the writing improved as a whole from the first book. The narrative remained nuanced, the world continues to be fleshed out, the characters continue to develop in fascinating ways, but the writing felt like it had room to breathe in The Well of Ascension (no pun intended). Perhaps it's because Sanderson had already created the separate parts of the Mistborn universe or maybe it's an author starting to come into his style, but whatever the case it's a noticeable improvement. There's time for thoughtful phrases, nuanced detail that comes off more off-offhandedly, and none of the screenplay script feel from The Final Empire.

    To be honest I'm surprised this grabbed me by the nape of the neck like it did. I enjoyed the first book and it's ambitious imagination, but felt it was lacking in some areas compared to other fantasy series. Admittedly the writing quality picks up, but the story itself is what really grabbed me from start to finish. A siege standoff with political maneuverings and character drama. It sounds like the summary of Game of Thrones, but Sanderson does an amazing job of handling all the pieces and putting them in place by the end. I think this is one of those rare instances that not only improves upon it's predecessor, but also makes the predecessor better. To me it felt like I was reading one of my favorite Harry Potter books for the first time and I would put it on par with any of the genre's best offerings.

    Spoiler
    As much as I really enjoyed the first two entries in the series (especially the 2nd), the ending of book two killed the series for me.

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    • Fresh Tendrils
      Strike Hard and Fade Away
      • Jul 2002
      • 36131

      #917
      Re: OS Book Club Pt II

      Originally posted by KSUowls
      As much as I really enjoyed the first two entries in the series (especially the 2nd), the ending of book two killed the series for me.

      Spoiler
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      • WaitTilNextYear
        Go Cubs Go
        • Mar 2013
        • 16830

        #918
        Re: OS Book Club Pt II

        Just finished my marathon reading of all 7 James S.A. Corey books that the TV show The Expanse is based on. If you had told me I'd push through 3600+ pages in under 2 months, I'd have laughed at you. But, here we are.

        In order, these are the books: Leviathan Wakes, Caliban's War, Abaddon's Gate, Cibola Burn, Nemesis Games, Babylon's Ashes, and Persepolis Rising. Book 8, Tiamat's Wrath, is slated to be released in December. Then Book 9, whatever it's called, figures to be the final entry in the series.

        The Good

        This is a rich and fantastically detailed alternative/fictional future in our solar system (and beyond). From the constant political intrigue, to the ragtag band of heroes (Remember the Cant!), to the ubiquitous friction between oppressor and oppressed, to Pandora's box being opened over and over, to unthinkable alien technologies and **** yea spaceships!, to the admirable centrality of good science (at least non-scientists trying their best to adhere to it) in these books; there is a lot to like. There are many memorable characters--my personal favorites include Amos Burton, Chrisjen Avasarala, Detective Josephus Miller, Gunnery Sergeant Roberta "Bobbie" Draper, Marco Inaros, and Carlos "Bull" de Baca. Maybe the most memorable character arc in the entire saga is one Clarissa Melpomene Mao aka Melba aka Claire aka "Peaches."

        The first 3 books, and the first 3 seasons of the TV show that follows off the books, trace out the main characters and how they unwittingly end up as a focal point in a solar system-wide conspiracy. The 4th book, Cibola Burn, is a bit of an island on its own (imo) although many will say it's part of the "second trilogy" of the books. Books 5 and 6 give us a taut story arc about some very ornery dudes causing some very big problems in the solar system. Book 7 is the opening salvo in a final, multiple solar system-spanning trilogy where we finally figure out (1) more about the protomolecule creators and (2) whatever it was that made them go extinct. Those are really the remaining big questions--the protomolecule mystery has been deepening and has remained mostly unresolved since the opening book Leviathan Wakes.

        It would be difficult for me to pick a favorite book, but I'd lean toward a tie between Leviathan Wakes and Nemesis Games. The intrasolar intrigues, factions, and power plays have really been well executed by the authors. Not only do the bad guys always seem to have good motives, but they (and the good guys) get pretty creative about executing plans and getting their machination on.

        The books are remarkably consistent in their quality--James S.A. Corey (a pen name of the writing duo Daniel Abraham and Ty Franck) keeps the books about the same length (~550 pages) and divides them into many ~10-page chapters. The short chapters and bouncing around from one setting to the next and back really makes you want to keep reading to that next chapter...and then the next...and then oh my, it's 4 AM.

        The Bad

        I really haven't liked the James Holden character (although I find Steven Strait's portrayal of him to be much better in the TV show despite just meh physical resemblance), which is rough because he's arguably the main-est of all the main characters in the books. I get that he was partly written to be annoyingly idealistic etc, but I sort of feel sometimes like he's this lame alter-ego of the writers themselves. Converses like them. Likes coffee like them. Is in his own head all the time. Hard to explain it, but I don't really find him plausible. Aside from Holden, they seem to write the same villain a lot. Whether it's Mao or Errinwright or Murtry or Inaros or Singh, there's always this weird naive hubris that ultimately limits the damage they can do (although that damage is still more than significant). I am hoping that Duarte makes a better, more nuanced villain that the Rocinante crew might not even be able to take down. Finally, I find the descriptions and "establishing shots" in the books somewhat hard to visualize. I'm not the most imaginative person anyway, but telling me that everyplace "smells like lubricant" or that "from here, this far out in the solar system, the sun is just the brightest of the other stars" only does so much for me. When you use it over and over again. lol. I am also glad there is the TV show because I'm not sure I would've been able to picture most of what the ships looked like (maybe this is a slight exaggeration).

        The Verdict

        If you like reading and you like science fiction and you like tight plots, and what are you 25? I'm 40. Holy **** man, you gotta get on dat. In other words, these books are definitely worth your time (and so is the TV show!)
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        • sportsdude
          Be Massive
          • Jul 2002
          • 5001

          #919
          Re: OS Book Club Pt II

          Originally posted by WaitTilNextYear
          Just finished my marathon reading of all 7 James S.A. Corey books that the TV show The Expanse is based on. If you had told me I'd push through 3600+ pages in under 2 months, I'd have laughed at you. But, here we are.

          In order, these are the books: Leviathan Wakes, Caliban's War, Abaddon's Gate, Cibola Burn, Nemesis Games, Babylon's Ashes, and Persepolis Rising. Book 8, Tiamat's Wrath, is slated to be released in December. Then Book 9, whatever it's called, figures to be the final entry in the series.

          The Good

          This is a rich and fantastically detailed alternative/fictional future in our solar system (and beyond). From the constant political intrigue, to the ragtag band of heroes (Remember the Cant!), to the ubiquitous friction between oppressor and oppressed, to Pandora's box being opened over and over, to unthinkable alien technologies and **** yea spaceships!, to the admirable centrality of good science (at least non-scientists trying their best to adhere to it) in these books; there is a lot to like. There are many memorable characters--my personal favorites include Amos Burton, Chrisjen Avasarala, Detective Josephus Miller, Gunnery Sergeant Roberta "Bobbie" Draper, Marco Inaros, and Carlos "Bull" de Baca. Maybe the most memorable character arc in the entire saga is one Clarissa Melpomene Mao aka Melba aka Claire aka "Peaches."

          The first 3 books, and the first 3 seasons of the TV show that follows off the books, trace out the main characters and how they unwittingly end up as a focal point in a solar system-wide conspiracy. The 4th book, Cibola Burn, is a bit of an island on its own (imo) although many will say it's part of the "second trilogy" of the books. Books 5 and 6 give us a taut story arc about some very ornery dudes causing some very big problems in the solar system. Book 7 is the opening salvo in a final, multiple solar system-spanning trilogy where we finally figure out (1) more about the protomolecule creators and (2) whatever it was that made them go extinct. Those are really the remaining big questions--the protomolecule mystery has been deepening and has remained mostly unresolved since the opening book Leviathan Wakes.

          It would be difficult for me to pick a favorite book, but I'd lean toward a tie between Leviathan Wakes and Nemesis Games. The intrasolar intrigues, factions, and power plays have really been well executed by the authors. Not only do the bad guys always seem to have good motives, but they (and the good guys) get pretty creative about executing plans and getting their machination on.

          The books are remarkably consistent in their quality--James S.A. Corey (a pen name of the writing duo Daniel Abraham and Ty Franck) keeps the books about the same length (~550 pages) and divides them into many ~10-page chapters. The short chapters and bouncing around from one setting to the next and back really makes you want to keep reading to that next chapter...and then the next...and then oh my, it's 4 AM.

          The Bad

          I really haven't liked the James Holden character (although I find Steven Strait's portrayal of him to be much better in the TV show despite just meh physical resemblance), which is rough because he's arguably the main-est of all the main characters in the books. I get that he was partly written to be annoyingly idealistic etc, but I sort of feel sometimes like he's this lame alter-ego of the writers themselves. Converses like them. Likes coffee like them. Is in his own head all the time. Hard to explain it, but I don't really find him plausible. Aside from Holden, they seem to write the same villain a lot. Whether it's Mao or Errinwright or Murtry or Inaros or Singh, there's always this weird naive hubris that ultimately limits the damage they can do (although that damage is still more than significant). I am hoping that Duarte makes a better, more nuanced villain that the Rocinante crew might not even be able to take down. Finally, I find the descriptions and "establishing shots" in the books somewhat hard to visualize. I'm not the most imaginative person anyway, but telling me that everyplace "smells like lubricant" or that "from here, this far out in the solar system, the sun is just the brightest of the other stars" only does so much for me. When you use it over and over again. lol. I am also glad there is the TV show because I'm not sure I would've been able to picture most of what the ships looked like (maybe this is a slight exaggeration).

          The Verdict

          If you like reading and you like science fiction and you like tight plots, and what are you 25? I'm 40. Holy **** man, you gotta get on dat. In other words, these books are definitely worth your time (and so is the TV show!)
          Cibola Burn is definitely on an island, and I can see the TV show ignoring almost everything that happens in the book. I've also heard many Expanse fans say Cibola Burn is their least favorite in the series. That said, I ****ing loved Cibola Burn. I am not sure why but I read it in like three days (quick for me). My personal favorite of the series so far was Caliban's War, though I have yet to read Persepolis Rising.
          Lux y Veritas

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          • WaitTilNextYear
            Go Cubs Go
            • Mar 2013
            • 16830

            #920
            Re: OS Book Club Pt II

            Originally posted by sportsdude
            Cibola Burn is definitely on an island, and I can see the TV show ignoring almost everything that happens in the book. I've also heard many Expanse fans say Cibola Burn is their least favorite in the series. That said, I ****ing loved Cibola Burn. I am not sure why but I read it in like three days (quick for me). My personal favorite of the series so far was Caliban's War, though I have yet to read Persepolis Rising.
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            Last edited by WaitTilNextYear; 07-08-2018, 07:07 PM.
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            • sportsdude
              Be Massive
              • Jul 2002
              • 5001

              #921
              Re: OS Book Club Pt II

              Originally posted by WaitTilNextYear
              Cibola Burn does seem to be the most polarizing of the books, huh? I thought it was good, although not quite up there with some of my favorites. It was daring to have the book set almost entirely outside the Sol system.

              I would take the opposite tack on whether Cibola Burn forms the basis for Season 4. It has the potential to be sort of like a Prometheus movie that is not set in the Alien universe, but actually makes sense. The authors have mentioned they aren't skipping it. It also seems extremely likely that a strange new world like Ilus will be ripe for some pretty cool special effects (death slugs, guard moons, apocalyptic disasters, spacewalks, alien ruins). There's also just enough stuff happening in space--with prisoners and ships almost falling out of orbit and an engineering militia (maybe my favorite part of the book)--to keep it space-y enough for the series. Some compelling new characters in Elvi, Murtry, Lucia, Basia, Fayez, and Wei along with the return of Havelock. Those casting decisions will be critical; I didn't really care for the actor who played the very small role Basia had earlier in the series and I wonder if Jay Hernandez returns to play Havelock or if they continue to minimize that role. Finally, the ghost of Miller plays a really prominent role so people will be getting their Thomas Jane fix. All in all, I think Cibola Burn will make for an extremely interesting season of TV.
              Maybe should spoiler tag that. Nothing major, but still. Glad to hear the show won't be shying away from Ilus. Looking forward to seeing the death slugs lol.
              Lux y Veritas

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              • WaitTilNextYear
                Go Cubs Go
                • Mar 2013
                • 16830

                #922
                Re: OS Book Club Pt II

                Originally posted by sportsdude
                Maybe should spoiler tag that. Nothing major, but still. Glad to hear the show won't be shying away from Ilus. Looking forward to seeing the death slugs lol.
                OK. Spoiler'd
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                • Fresh Tendrils
                  Strike Hard and Fade Away
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 36131

                  #923
                  Re: OS Book Club Pt II

                  I thought I had posted my thoughts on my beach books, but apparently not. I also finished up a really good basketball book this morning so I'll include that, too.

                  Lord of the Flies by William Golding
                  The first time I read this was in middle school and I thought it was pretty apt as a representation of the underpinnings of society and societies within a larger world. Of course the dream of being shipwrecked with my classmates was more nightmarish than fanciful and so this book always struck me as base and somewhat realistic.

                  Fast forward 20 years later and I decided this would be a good vacation book to revisit. The edge of the book wasn't as sharp as when I first read it. The writing style can be a little basic at times. The narrative itself is fairly straight-forward. With that said I still found this to be fairly powerful. It almost seems cliche today, but each older child in the group represents some structure of society and of course the book follows the inevitable collapse of society that realizes the enforcement of rules are contingent upon everyone agreeing to follow them and ultimately repercussions for those that don't.

                  This is tested fairly early on as a scene in the book depicts Roger throwing rocks at young child. Golding describes this involuntary action of throwing to scare the child and not to hit - lest some adult would pop from the underbrush and punish Roger. The reversion to savagery and primitive rules escalates from there of course.

                  The part that always sticks with me the most and what really pushes this from a good to great read is Simon's confrontation with The Beast. It's a creepy, awkward, and unnerving confrontation that really changes the tone of the book afterwards. As Simon succumbs so do the rest.

                  Spoiler


                  Animal Farm by George Orwell
                  Another classic. Surprisingly enough I have not read either of Orwell's dystopian novels. I wasn't sure what to expect from this, but I loved it.

                  Orwell's writing style is fairly straight-forward, but he has a knack for finding the most in simplicity. He uses a few strokes to paint a whole, vivid picture. It's quite remarkable. Considering the book is barely 100 pages soaking wet he packs a lot into such a small space without feeling heavy or bloated. He's pointed without beating you over the head with the hammer. Sure, it's a tear-down of Communism at it's most base symbolism, but at it's ultimately it's a skewering of the corruption of power in any form of government.

                  It's hard to read this and not correlate with current events or the cycle of things you've witnessed happen during your lifetime. There are numerous parts that seem too obvious when written here, but in the real world it's harder to decipher or notice. This wasn't as unsettling as I was thinking it was going to be (or compared to Lord of the Flies), but sometimes the image in the mirror isn't so startling because it's familiar.

                  I could get fairly deep into this, but considering the TOS I'll just refrain especially since I'm sure most of you discussed this ad-nauseamin in grade school already.

                  Spoiler


                  Basketball (And Other Things) by Shea Serrano
                  This is was a really fun, entertaining, and even enlightening read. I wasn't familiar with Serrano before (he's a writer on The Ringer and released The Rap Year Book previously), but I really enjoyed his writing style. It's laid back and relaxed. He sprinkles stats and advanced analytics in as backing information, but not as the crux of his arguments. Often times hilarious, though, there are moments where he pushes a little too hard.

                  Serrano broaches a number of different topics in a series of 20-25 questions. Some range from the more typical - what season was the best MJ - whereas others are fairly out of left-field - what would happen to player by changing their name. It makes for an entertaining read that is both interesting and fascinating (I barely remember watching Jordan play - much less anything before his first retirement). I found myself wanting to hop onto YouTube and watch all these crucial moments. Or watch these rivalries build across multiple playoff and Final match-ups. Yeah, it's cool to see these great plays in highlights, but this book brings about context which magnifies that greatness even more somehow. I found it all fascinating.

                  He's an unabashed Spurs fan and relishes in his bias. Despite not being a Spurs fan myself his fandom still resonated within me because he hits on all the warm, fuzzy feelings that fandom brings (even the heartbreaks). He has interesting takes that are easy to understand. One of the more interesting aspects to me was that he placed a lot of great events and players into context. Some shadows great larger while others kind of diminished.

                  At the end I never expected myself to be building YouTube playlists of NBA playoffs/Finals from 1980 onward. Of course I also never expected to read a riveting screenplay starring James Harden, but here we are.



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                  • mattlanta
                    MVP
                    • Aug 2008
                    • 2384

                    #924
                    Re: OS Book Club Pt II

                    Not exactly book related, but do you guys think I should I trade in my Kindle Voyage for a Kindle Oasis?

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                    • DieHardYankee26
                      BING BONG
                      • Feb 2008
                      • 10178

                      #925
                      Re: OS Book Club Pt II

                      How much is the trade in? I only have a Paperwhite, I think the only thing that would make it worth it to upgrade for me is if they can figure out a color version with the same screen tech. Is it worth it to get it waterproofed and for Bluetooth capabilities?

                      Quick update, will do the writeups later, finished my last 3 short story collections and am finally moving into Lolita. Just read the foreword and I can already tell there's going to be an ungodly amount of quote highlighting in this.
                      Originally posted by G Perico
                      If I ain't got it, then I gotta take it
                      I can't hide who I am, baby I'm a gangster
                      In the Rolls Royce, steppin' on a mink rug
                      The clique just a gang of bosses that linked up

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                      • Fresh Tendrils
                        Strike Hard and Fade Away
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 36131

                        #926
                        Re: OS Book Club Pt II

                        I decided to start tackling Stephen King's IT last night after finishing up the Mistborn trilogy this weekend. It's already creepy and haunting 40 pages in.



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                        • NolanRyansSnowmonkey
                          MVP
                          • Jun 2016
                          • 1354

                          #927
                          Re: OS Book Club Pt II

                          Originally posted by Fresh Tendrils
                          I decided to start tackling Stephen King's IT last night after finishing up the Mistborn trilogy this weekend. It's already creepy and haunting 40 pages in.
                          I have been intending to read this for a long time. I am thinking about getting it on Audible...

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                          • Fresh Tendrils
                            Strike Hard and Fade Away
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 36131

                            #928
                            Re: OS Book Club Pt II

                            Yesterday I started listening to Binge Mode's Harry Potter podcast. They're going through the series using the books as foundation, but will also draw upon the larger universe of the movies and books combined. Each episode looks to feature roughly 5 chapters from the book. After each book is finished they dedicate an episode to the movie.

                            So far they are up through The Prisoner of Azkaban and will be back with Goblet of Fire on July 30th (so a little bit of time to catch up). Each episode is a little lengthy (roughly 80 minutes), but so far it's interesting and entertaining. It definitely sheds new light on some things and offers good perspective when looking at certain moments with the knowledge of the entire series.



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                            • WaitTilNextYear
                              Go Cubs Go
                              • Mar 2013
                              • 16830

                              #929
                              Re: OS Book Club Pt II

                              Continuing on with my Great Science Fiction Binge Reading of Twenty Eighteen, I just finished In The Balance from Harry Turtledove's Worldwar series. This book has a bit of history for me because I actually read it when I was a younger lad when it came out circa 1994 (I distinctly remember loaning it out from my local public library and being pretty peeved that there were 3 more books yet that I'd have to wait for, lol) and had vague recollections about it, but only recently looked it up and decided to read it again.

                              Anyhow, some reflection...first, it's the flavor of geopolitical "what if?" that features historical characters in an ahistorical (or fantasy) setting, which I find interesting. Some of the historical figures that inhabit this book: Enrico Fermi, Vyacheslav Molotov, Adolf Hitler, Leslie Groves, and George Patton among others. It's also a "WWII" book in that it takes place during that time period. The basic premise is "what if an advanced alien species (the Lizards) invaded while Earth was in the throes of WWII?" If that piques your interest, then you'd likely enjoy it. It's also very descriptive and gives a lot of depth to the alien invaders and goes back and forth between different people's and different lizard's POV.

                              One thing I have to mention about this book...oh my God, the sex! There is so much sex in this book for a sci-fi of this type. "Oversexed" is a word that came to mind several times. I mean, great that the book is addressing things like sex and eating and bowel movements and other routine things that many books omit completely, but it really stuck out to me (no pun intended).
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                              • Fresh Tendrils
                                Strike Hard and Fade Away
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 36131

                                #930
                                Re: OS Book Club Pt II

                                Mistborn: The Hero of Ages by Brandon Sanderson

                                It's always a bittersweet feeling to finish a series. Sometimes there's an abundance of questions left to ponder. Other times the resolution is just slightly off the mark. In most cases, however, there's a large void left by a universe as it's story comes to a close. As Brandon Sanderson's masterful series comes to a close I look back on the excellent cast of characters, a unique and refreshing system of magick, and an arcing narrative that encompasses so many themes and mores in the course of the trilogy.

                                Admittedly, the final installment starts off a bit haphazardly as the first part wades the pool of series exposition. There were times when some things felt over explained considering it's the final book of a trilogy. Still, these exposition parts paint the world swiftly and cleanly. Any new additions to the universe's lore (of which there are many) is explained either through the characters' own discovery or gradually through the progression of the narrative itself. While I think new readers would appreciate the early breaks to explain the universe and system of magick anyone who is reading this book before starting at the beginning should be Coin-Shot.

                                In some reviews of the series and it's books I've seen the remark that Sanderson writes from a fanboy's chair. Finishing up the series I have to agree. There are some payoffs in the final installment that feel good. Those moments when your favorite character relishes in their strengths. Those moments when the character isn't fighting internally against themselves and enjoying their skin for a brief moment. It's those moments that make these characters endearing. None of these payoffs feel cheap or come at an expense to the narrative which continues to weave itself tightly into the lore of the universe affecting action, characters, and the universe at large.

                                While the payoffs are well-done the closing of Sanderson's various loops are nearly masterful. This series is the complete opposite of a J.J. Abrams production. Every detail ties into another creating a logical system that connects the characters, narrative, and world all together. Gaps are filled in and characters repainted as new information comes to light. It creates a sense of a living, breathing, and ever-changing world. By the end of the book everything feels neatly packaged and wrapped together and it's ****ing satisfying.

                                This is easily a series I would recommend to anyone and have when given the opportunity. Featuring a young protagonist who matures in areas of trust, responsibility, and self-acceptance inside a world being suffocated by natural forces put into motion by man's hands while some fight for power as others ignore the outside and seek isolation. It cuts across many topics in fascinating ways.

                                Spoiler



                                I want to start his Stormlight Archives series, but I'll probably hold off until Fall since each book is roughly 1100 pages.

                                For now I'm conditioning myself on the tome that is Stephen King's IT. I also have Musashi on my dresser which is another epic.

                                Since returning from the beach I've actually been reading more than one thing at once. I have the Library of America's Great Writings on Basketball I'm starting soon and have started reading comics again with TMNT and Spider-Man. I'm not sure if I'll get to the point where I'll read two novels at once, but it's interesting to see how my reading has progressed from a year or two ago.



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