New planet discovered... and it's not in our solar system!

[The GIGGAS]

Re: New planet discovered... and it's not in our solar system!

Agreed,

However some people in the scientific community don't expand their minds enough. We need more Hawkings and Kakus.

Agreed. More mind expansion, less closed minds. If everyone opened their minds to new or seemingly contradictory ideas, I believe the world would be a better place.

[Knight165]

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Meanwhile, Pluto hangs in the balance..flipping the universe off.

Ha...
Sorry Pluto, once another body in the Kuiper belt was found to be larger than you and you couldn't "clear your own neighborhood"...you were finished.
No more planet...

M.K.
Knight165

[CMH]

Re: New planet discovered... and it's not in our solar system!

Agreed. More mind expansion, less closed minds. If everyone opened their minds to new or seemingly contradictory ideas, I believe the world would be a better place.

Agreed on this and the other above comments regarding this specific topic.

If we can imagine it being possible then it could be possible. We don't even know for sure what other elements exists outside our galaxy. There could be an element far greater than anything we have here that could produce life.

I only bring up the carbon discussion because I got into a long exchange with a few folks that tried to make it a fact that all living things had to be carbon based. I argued, "maybe here." They wouldn't budge. I swear sometimes I get a lot of heat for being open minded.

[The GIGGAS]

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I swear sometimes I get a lot of heat for being open minded.

Sadly, most visionaries find the same result.

[dossier]

Re: New planet discovered... and it's not in our solar system!

Quite possibly it could have more than that. And could have life like we are.

There is no coincidence that it is in the Orion Constellation, and the ancient civilizations on our planet have alignments of their architecture to mirror that of Orion's Belt. Did they know something that we are being too close minded to know?

if you have been to my aliens thread you would know I'm on your boat. I think the WOW! signal came from roughly the same coordinates as where this planet is.

[SPTO]

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I only bring up the carbon discussion because I got into a long exchange with a few folks that tried to make it a fact that all living things had to be carbon based. I argued, "maybe here." They wouldn't budge. I swear sometimes I get a lot of heat for being open minded.

I believe that Intelligent life can just as easily be silicon based as well as carbon based.

[EnigmaNemesis]

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This is why science evolves over time. At one point, we knew the world was flat. At one point, we knew the world was in the middle of the universe. At one point, we knew how things were created.

This is not a problem with science. Nay, this is the beauty of science: Always be open to new ideas and new thoughts, and something amazing can come out of it. This new planet can change astronomic theory.

This is a good thing.

Agreed. More mind expansion, less closed minds. If everyone opened their minds to new or seemingly contradictory ideas, I believe the world would be a better place.

Was going to comment, but you elaborated on it. Agreed. More open mindedness, and not "well it is because our theory said so".

[EnigmaNemesis]

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if you have been to my aliens thread you would know I'm on your boat. I think the WOW! signal came from roughly the same coordinates as where this planet is.

Yep, I have not been to that thread, but I plan on it.

Do not know if yo know of it, but a good book to read about some of this stuff is by Graham Hancock called, Fingerprints of the G-ds. Trust me, you will not put it down (unless you already read it).

[The GIGGAS]

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Was going to comment, but you elaborated on it. Agreed. More open mindedness, and not "well it is because our theory said so".

Sorry, I find I often put my foot in my mouth. I always try to be as open minded as possible to new ideas (although with some topics I'm a bit cynical).

[EnigmaNemesis]

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Sorry, I find I often put my foot in my mouth. I always try to be as open minded as possible to new ideas (although with some topics I'm a bit cynical).

No no, no problem. I was going to comment on how you say "science evolves". It sure does if people look at it with an open mind.

There are also those in science or study science who are very close minded and think their theories are the end all (big bang anyone?) with no definitive evidence to support such claim.

I just get jaded at ones that come up with an explanation, the "science world" signs off on it, only to ride the luxury that they can always fall back on "science evolves" as an excuse when their findings are proven wrong down the road.

[The GIGGAS]

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No no, no problem. I was going to comment on how you say "science evolves". It sure does if people look at it with an open mind.

There are also those in science or study science who are very close minded and think their theories are the end all (big bang anyone?) with no definitive evidence to support such claim.

I just get jaded at ones that come up with an explanation, the "science world" signs off on it, only to ride the luxury that they can always fall back on "science evolves" as an excuse when their findings are proven wrong down the road.

Indeed. I agree with you completely.

[BurghFan]

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Why don't any planets/planetoids we find get cool names? "HIP 13044 b" simply does not roll off the tongue well.

There are billions of stars in our galaxy alone. It would be impractical to give them all a name as opposed to a catalog number.

Astronomers were mystified as to how the planet might have formed, since the star contained few elements heavier than hydrogen and helium and planets typically form out of a complex cloud of spinning space rubble.

"It is a puzzle for the widely accepted model of planet formation to explain how such a star, which contains hardly any heavy elements at all, could have formed a planet," said Setiawan.

The above is why I will always stand by my belief that just because we are carbon-based creatures does not mean other creatures have to be. If planets can break the mold, then other things can too.

We know less than we think we know.

It may not have formed around that star. It could have possibly formed around a different star in its parent galaxy but then been ripped from its orbit by a close encounter with another star during one of the parent galaxies passes through the Milkey Way as the latter devoured the former.

Agreed on this and the other above comments regarding this specific topic.

If we can imagine it being possible then it could be possible. We don't even know for sure what other elements exists outside our galaxy. There could be an element far greater than anything we have here that could produce life.

I only bring up the carbon discussion because I got into a long exchange with a few folks that tried to make it a fact that all living things had to be carbon based. I argued, "maybe here." They wouldn't budge. I swear sometimes I get a lot of heat for being open minded.

As far as chemical elements go, since the entire universe is presumably bound by the same physical laws, there is a finite limit to the size of an atom and thus a finite limit to the number of possible elemtns. There are currently 118 known elements the all of the last 20 or so are radioactive with very short half-lives and it is thought that the same would be true for any heavier elements that may yet be discovered. Finally, the heavier elements are far less abundant.

As for what elements could possibly serve as the basis for life, Carbon and Silicon are the most common, thought there are other theories. Some scientists have suggested that methane based life may exist on frozen icy worlds such as Saturns moon, Titan.

[Scottdau]

I would thought if there was other life forms out there they would have come here by now and **** us up. So maybe that day is coming.

[EnigmaNemesis]

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There are billions of stars in our galaxy alone. It would be impractical to give them all a name as opposed to a catalog number.



It may not have formed around that star. It could have possibly formed around a different star in its parent galaxy but then been ripped from its orbit by a close encounter with another star during one of the parent galaxies passes through the Milkey Way as the latter devoured the former.



As far as chemical elements go, since the entire universe is presumably bound by the same physical laws, there is a finite limit to the size of an atom and thus a finite limit to the number of possible elemtns. There are currently 118 known elements the all of the last 20 or so are radioactive with very short half-lives and it is thought that the same would be true for any heavier elements that may yet be discovered. Finally, the heavier elements are far less abundant.

As for what elements could possibly serve as the basis for life, Carbon and Silicon are the most common, thought there are other theories. Some scientists have suggested that methane based life may exist on frozen icy worlds such as Saturns moon, Titan.

Sure, but the new discoveries that crap in the face of modern physics is that of "dark matter" and "dark energy". Now they have discovered that only 5% of the Universe is made up of atoms like us, 25% is dark matter, and 70% is dark energy... which in their own right, can/will house a whole new set of laws, etc.

The scary part is, "dark matter" is what makes things bind, and "dark energy" pulls things apart... and that is why they think the universe is expanding at such a fast rate, and think dark energy will just rip the universe apart. Think Star Wars with Light Side and Dark Side. Crazy.

I would thought if there was other life forms out there they would have come here by now and **** us up. So maybe that day is coming.

Well ancient scriptures, hieroglyphics and drawings would show that maybe they already were here.

Plus the fact that the universe is vastly expanding and everything (galaxies) is getting farther away from each other at an alarming rate due to this newly discovered "dark energy", maybe that poses an issue now too.

[Scottdau]

I am sure ET and his boys are just waiting to come **** with us and if they see any of our movies we made about them they are going to really want to blow us up! I mean having John Travoltra playing alien will really piss them off.