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  • Chip Douglass
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    • Dec 2005
    • 12256

    #541
    Re: Bin Laden is dead!

    Originally posted by RAZRr1275
    It seems like I'm the minority here but I'm not celebrating. I think taking him out now is a bad move as far as the war on terror is concerned. Additionally, the way in which he was killed (taking a shot that killed someone who wasn't a target) is absurd and shouldn't have happened.
    And there's nothing yet to suggest the operation unfolded that way.

    Even if the decision was made to shoot at his human shield knowing that she would die, I think the greater good was served.
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    • RAZRr1275
      All Star
      • Sep 2007
      • 9918

      #542
      Re: Bin Laden is dead!

      Originally posted by BlueNGold
      It is when it's someone who has killed thousands upon thousands of other people.
      Still doesn't make it good IMO but oh well.
      Originally posted by Buckeyes_Doc
      I'm not oversimplifying this.

      He was still important. He was still the leader of Al-Qaeda. He was still the guy who killed thousands of Americans on American soil and countless others around the world.

      Hundreds of Service Members have lost their lives in the hunt for this guy and many more are forever scarred from their injuries. Killing him brings closure to those service members but also the thousands of his victims he killed in numerous terrorist attacks.

      This is a great move.
      If he hasn't claimed responsibility for anything and hasn't been releasing tapes like he was then how was he important? He hasn't had a major attack for quite a while

      Do you really think that closure is more important than protecting against the inevitable retaliation that is going to come as a result of this?

      EDIT: And in response to Chip - I'm assuming that since she was used as a body shield and both are dead that they shot through her to get him - Just putting 2 and 2 together there. Additionally, since it seems like most people in the compound were either killed or injured it's safe to assume that they weren't using any sort of discretion when going in. I also think that the greater good wasn't served. I just don't think it's worth it to take an innocent life to do this.
      Last edited by RAZRr1275; 05-02-2011, 05:35 PM.
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      • fishepa
        I'm Ron F'n Swanson!
        • Feb 2003
        • 18989

        #543
        Re: Bin Laden is dead!

        Originally posted by RAZRr1275
        Still doesn't make it good IMO but oh well.

        If he hasn't claimed responsibility for anything and hasn't been releasing tapes like he was then how was he important? He hasn't had a major attack for quite a while

        Do you really think that closure is more important than protecting against the inevitable retaliation that is going to come as a result of this?
        I have faith that the people in charge of our country have already thought of this and are taking the appropriate measures.

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        • SportsTop
          The Few. The Proud.
          • Jul 2003
          • 6716

          #544
          Re: Bin Laden is dead!

          Originally posted by RAZRr1275
          Care to elaborate?

          Also, I don't think killing people is ever a good thing.
          AQ was reeling prior to this. Osama bin Laden was their charismatic leader and this will likely fracture their fragile network even more. I can't overstate how big of a hit this is to them. He had defied the U.S. for so long that he had grown mythical in nature to his followers. This proves that if he isn't safe then none of them are.

          Also think about the implications from the U.S./Pakistan relations side. Pakistan leadership is now publically faced with the fact that they were harboring the world's most notorious terrorist. They'll have to deal with the international pressures to squeeze others out as well.

          No one is saying terrorism will stop after this just like 9/11 wasn't the birth of terrorism. However, this is a major blow to the most notable of the terror organizations in the world.
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          • PVarck31
            Moderator
            • Jan 2003
            • 16869

            #545
            Re: Bin Laden is dead!

            Originally posted by RAZRr1275
            Care to elaborate?

            Also, I don't think killing people is ever a good thing.
            We tried to take him alive. He wanted to be a martyr. Simple as that.

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            • TheMatrix31
              RF
              • Jul 2002
              • 52906

              #546
              Re: Bin Laden is dead!

              Who the hell is anyone to say that people celebrating don't know why they're celebrating? How utterly ridiculous. And anyone who was young back then OBVIOUSLY has learned over time how important the whole thing was. You think they just stay in some infantile state of mind or something? That is such BS.

              And if they're going to retaliate, then ****in' bring it. These people are already trying their best to kill us whether this happened or not. Not killing the biggest son of a bitch in the world because we're scared of what they're going to do back?! COME ON NOW.
              Last edited by TheMatrix31; 05-02-2011, 05:39 PM.

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              • RAZRr1275
                All Star
                • Sep 2007
                • 9918

                #547
                Re: Bin Laden is dead!

                Originally posted by fishepa
                I have faith that the people in charge of our country have already thought of this and are taking the appropriate measures.
                I hope they do but that still doesn't change the fact that that retaliation is going to kill our soldiers no matter how prepared we are.
                Originally posted by SportsTop
                AQ was reeling prior to this. Osama bin Laden was their charismatic leader and this will likely fracture their fragile network even more. I can't overstate how big of a hit this is to them. He had defied the U.S. for so long that he had grown mythical in nature to his followers. This proves that if he isn't safe then none of them are.

                Also think about the implications from the U.S./Pakistan relations side. Pakistan leadership is now publically faced with the fact that they were harboring the world's most notorious terrorist. They'll have to deal with the international pressures to squeeze others out as well.

                No one is saying terrorism will stop after this just like 9/11 wasn't the birth of terrorism. However, this is a major blow to the most notable of the terror organizations in the world.
                Actually al qaeda is just as strong if not stronger than it was previously. Osama hadn't planned anything since 9/11 so he wasn't really important at all. Additionally, they've been having some success recruiting.

                I don't think Pakistan leadership is going to be able to do very much. Extremists groups have a decent amount of influence there. It also seems like the government is in fear of al Qaeda

                I realize no one is claiming it will end. It just isn't as much of a blow as it's made out to be.

                Originally posted by 31
                We tried to take him alive. He wanted to be a martyr. Simple as that.
                I realize that. I think that we either shouldn't have gone after him or done it in a different manner.
                Originally posted by TheMatrix31
                Who the hell is anyone to say that people celebrating don't know why they're celebrating?

                How utterly ridiculous.
                Just making sure but this isn't directed at me right?

                EDIT: As for the second part I'd prefer that our soldiers don't get killed because of a retaliation. If you think they're trying their hardest now they'll try even harder now that they have even more of a cause. Last I thought considering the after affects of doing something is key to making a decision
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                • ScoobySnax
                  #faceuary2014
                  • Mar 2009
                  • 7624

                  #548
                  Re: Bin Laden is dead!

                  Originally posted by TheMatrix31
                  Who the hell is anyone to say that people celebrating don't know why they're celebrating? How utterly ridiculous. And anyone who was young back then OBVIOUSLY has learned over time how important the whole thing was. You think they just stay in some infantile state of mind or something? That is such BS.

                  And if they're going to retaliate, then ****in' bring it. These people are already trying their best to kill us whether this happened or not. Not killing the biggest son of a bitch in the world because we're scared of what they're going to do back?! COME ON NOW.

                  We have never been a nation dominated by fear, so why start now! They have been plotting more attacks on the US ever since. Al Queda is very real. I, for one, am stoked about this.
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                  • kehlis
                    Moderator
                    • Jul 2008
                    • 27738

                    #549
                    Re: Bin Laden is dead!

                    Originally posted by RAZRr1275
                    Actually al qaeda is just as strong if not stronger than it was previously. Osama hadn't planned anything since 9/11 so he wasn't really important at all. Additionally, they've been having some success recruiting.
                    How do you know this?

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                    • TracerBullet
                      One Last Job
                      • Jun 2009
                      • 22119

                      #550
                      Re: Bin Laden is dead!

                      Originally posted by RAZRr1275
                      Just making sure but this isn't directed at me right?
                      Nah, he's talking about the people saying college students are too young to know what happened.
                      Originally posted by BlueNGold
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                      • Chip Douglass
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Dec 2005
                        • 12256

                        #551
                        Re: Bin Laden is dead!

                        Originally posted by RAZRr1275
                        Still doesn't make it good IMO but oh well.
                        I mean, seriously? It's not good to kill a sworn enemy of the United States, a man responsible for the worst atrocity on US soil?

                        Seriously? Am I missing massive amounts of sarcasm here?

                        If he hasn't claimed responsibility for anything and hasn't been releasing tapes like he was then how was he important? He hasn't had a major attack for quite a while
                        Yes, he hasn't had a major attack in a while because our intelligence services have either thwarted them (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8221375.stm) or we simply got lucky (underwear bomber).

                        That doesn't mean he's not dangerous and that shouldn't diminish the importance of bringing him to justice.
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                        • kingkilla56
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Jun 2009
                          • 19395

                          #552
                          Re: Bin Laden is dead!

                          Originally posted by TheMatrix31
                          Who the hell is anyone to say that people celebrating don't know why they're celebrating? How utterly ridiculous. And anyone who was young back then OBVIOUSLY has learned over time how important the whole thing was. You think they just stay in some infantile state of mind or something? That is such BS.

                          And if they're going to retaliate, then ****in' bring it. These people are already trying their best to kill us whether this happened or not. Not killing the biggest son of a bitch in the world because we're scared of what they're going to do back?! COME ON NOW.
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                          • RAZRr1275
                            All Star
                            • Sep 2007
                            • 9918

                            #553
                            Re: Bin Laden is dead!

                            Originally posted by kehlis
                            How do you know this?


                            Originally posted by Chip Douglass
                            I mean, seriously? It's not good to kill a sworn enemy of the United States, a man responsible for the worst atrocity on US soil?

                            Seriously? Am I missing massive amounts of sarcasm here?



                            Yes, he hasn't had a major attack in a while because our intelligence services have either thwarted them (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8221375.stm) or we simply got lucky (underwear bomber).

                            That doesn't mean he's not dangerous and that shouldn't diminish the importance of bringing him to justice.
                            No you're not. I don't think that taking a life is a good act. That doesn't mean that I can't see how people justify this like you're making it out to be.

                            See above - he hasn't been involved in planning them
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                            • roadman
                              *ll St*r
                              • Aug 2003
                              • 26339

                              #554
                              Re: Bin Laden is dead!

                              Originally posted by RAZRr1275
                              Additionally, the way in which he got killed (civilian casualties in a guns blazing type operation) is one of the main criticisms that "extremist" groups have of America. It's essentially feeding the fire.
                              And yet it was ok how he killed 3000 innocent civilian lives on our soil.

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                              • RAZRr1275
                                All Star
                                • Sep 2007
                                • 9918

                                #555
                                Re: Bin Laden is dead!

                                Originally posted by roadman
                                And yet it was ok how he killed 3000 innocent civilian lives on our soil.
                                When did I say that doing that was ok? I'm saying that extremists groups rally around the civilian casualties that we inflict in war.
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