Bin Laden is dead!

[canes21]

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Yea welcome to about 2 minutes after it was reported on Twitter on Sunday.

Joke was used and abused already. But good try

Thought I actually did something for once. Oh well, I'll get back to working on my time machine. About 95% finished.

[EnigmaNemesis]

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I posted it before the ROCK did and I heard it from a member on Twitter who read it from another member who quoted Donald Rumsfeld.

The ROCK is not told before regular folks. I knew about it about 15 minutes before the Rock posted his update.

LOL

Thank you! But by regular folk, some think they need to hear it on the news, so technically he also did know before "regular news watching folk".

My mother did not break any rules telling me this. She told me when she was allowed to tell me. (which was already after the media had this information, it was only 1/2hr before it went live)

The media had this information WELL before they announced it. Again, they are not the governing force that if they announce it, *zoiks* it must be allowed out there!

Common sense people.

[kehlis]

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Thank you! But by regular folk, some think they need to hear it on the news, so technically he also did know before "regular news watching folk".

My mother did not break any rules telling me this. She told me when she was allowed to tell me. (which was already after the media had this information, it was only 1/2hr before it went live)

The media had this information WELL before they announced it. Again, they are not the governing force that if they announce it, *zoiks* it must be allowed out there!

Common sense people.

Well congrats that you heard about it before us "regular folk".

Sorry we aren't all privy to the news you are. What point are you trying to make by the parts I bolded? I don't get it.

I apologize, neither of my parents work for the NSA so I rely on the resources provided to me...

[VDusen04]

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Thought I actually did something for once. Oh well, I'll get back to working on my time machine. About 95% finished.

Haha. This amuses me.

[EnigmaNemesis]

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Well congrats that you heard about it before us "regular folk".

Sorry we aren't all privy to the news you are. What point are you trying to make by the parts I bolded? I don't get it.

I apologize, neither of my parents work for the NSA so I rely on the resources provided to me...

I made those points, because people jumped on me as if my mother leaked out Watergate because I was told 1/2 hour before the news announced it, and my gosh, there must be some security breaches going on in thar yonder.

So if people are going to assume, I am going to assume that ones think the second the news announces anything, then it must be okay for everyone to know... when in reality they know long before they announce it. Stories take a bit to prepare and write up with their terminology.

Go back an re-read the blatant assumptions first, and seemingly tossing my mother under the bus as if she told me some "classified information" to her civilian child. And the "NSA probably would not have liked it." Good greif. It obviously struck a nerve with me, and thus I got protective cause of it.

The news had the information well before they announced it. I was told after the information was "released", as in, able to be told. So my mother thought it would be cool to tell me to watch the news in a few because of what was just "released".

Is all. And was just sharing the funny story where a bunch of drunks thought we were psychic. And some have to get all DoD on me.

[Boltman]

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Top Secret Helicopters
11:13 pm May 4, 2011, by Jamie Dupree

If you've been searching the internet for photos about the aftermath of the U.S. military raid that took out Osama Bin Laden, you might have paused when you saw some of the wreckage of the helicopter that was left behind by American commandos.

Supposedly it was a top secret, stealth Black Hawk helicopter - what you see here is the tail assembly, which was not blown to bits by the commando team.

The odd looking items on that tail portion would explain why the NAVY Seals tried to blow it up, so nobody could figure out what it was.

The chopper suffered damage when it made a hard landing in the courtyard of the hideout used by Bin Laden and his family.

"Um, that part of the helicopter is like none i have seen," wrote one of my Twitter followers yesterday. "And i worked on MH-53Js in Air Force Spec Ops."

The Army Times reported that helicopter used stealth technology like that of the F-117 stealth fighter, and also used special baffling to hold down on the sound that the helicopter would normally make.

While U.S. officials have not commented on the record about any stealth technology, they did not try to hide the fact that one of the two helicopters used in the raid was blown up after Bin Laden was killed.

"During the raid, we lost one helicopter due to mechanical failure," said a Senior Administration Official during a briefing after President Obama spoke to the nation on Sunday night.

"The aircraft was destroyed by the crew and the assault force and crew members boarded the remaining aircraft to exit the compound," he added.

But they didn't want to follow up on that with any details later in the same conference call.

"My question would be, what was the type of the helicopter that failed? asked one reporter.

"Can’t go into details at this time," said another official.

It's no real surprise that U.S. Special Forces Command would have had some high-tech equipment - but if not for mechanical troubles on this raid - no one would have known anything about it.

[rspencer86]

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That last bit of the video report was interesting about the electricity getting knocked out, then coming back on when the chopper left. Mini-EMP?

[Boltman]

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That last bit of the video report was interesting about the electricity getting knocked out, then coming back on when the chopper left. Mini-EMP?

Yea, I was wondering about that myself. I was reading a post/transcript online and it mentioned that the SEAL team members helm feed cut out for about 25 minutes?

EDIT: Yea someone added this...

The Invisible Rotorcraft

So what was it that betrayed the downed choppers’ secret roots? Nearly rivetless skin, odd control surfaces, a shrouded tail rotor and special infrared-absorbing paint, for starters.

“Note how the UH-60 has a large stabilator [horizontal fin] with plenty of rivets,” Burke commented. “The one in the crash is much smaller, very smooth and swept back. Strange.”

A “round shield-like affair over the tail-rotor hub is an airflow diverter, designed to eliminate the turbulence around the rotor hub, making it more efficient,” wrote “Bill” from the milblog Arrgggh!. The diverter “probably has a secondary effect of reducing the noise of the tail rotor by making it directional.”

A very clear photo of that “shield” was given to Reuters, and appear at the top of this story.)

“The aircraft skin is interesting,” Bill continued. “It’s perfectly smooth, and I have a nagging hunch it’s something I’ve seen before, back in the late ’80s” — on an experimental OH-6 “Loach” scout chopper.

To him, the paint on the wrecked chopper appeared to be a “variation on the Invisible Loach — a light-emitting appliqué film which, coupled to directional cameras, will exactly reproduce the light and color patterns on the opposite side of the aircraft. Think of the aircraft as being made of glass.”

The stealthy copter also has a “special coating” on its windshield to scatter radar waves, Naylor asserts in his Army Times story.

Combined, the details imply a helicopter design that is more stealthy than standard choppers in every sense of the term. “Such a helicopter would not be invisible or silent, but would be harder to detect and track using an X-band or Ku-band radar, and quieter than a conventional helicopter,” said Carlo Kopp, joint head of the Air Power Australia think tank.

Based on the evidence, and the assumption that these improvements were applied to a basic Blackhawk airframe, aviation artist Ugo Crisponi produced a quick rendering of what the secret chopper might look like. The components depicted in the new Guardian photos — plus Naylor’s detailed description — match Crisponi’s concept pretty closely.

Historians and analysts were quick to point out precedents for the elusive bird. The obvious example is the Army’s überexpensive RAH-66 Comanche, killed off in 2004. That bird, Copp said, featured “shrouded rotor heads and unspecified absorbent materials” just like the mystery craft from Abbottabad.

John Pike, from Virginia-based Globalsecurity.org, highlighted the “MH-X,” a low-signature transport chopper project from the 1980s that was reportedly tested alongside the F-117 stealth fighter and B-2 stealth bomber.

Based on Naylor’s reporting, it appears that a handful of special Blackhawks — probably no more than four — indeed originated from the MH-X program, but plans for a large, permanent unit to fly these birds was cancelled “within the last two years.” Instead, Army Special Forces aviators took turns training on the stealth copters in Nevada, possibly at the secretive base known by some as “Area 51.”

Stealth Copter, Clear Politics

Though the evidence is mounting that the newly revealed black chopper is more angular Blackhawk derived from the MH-X program, it could be a while before we know for sure. The Pentagon is slow to reveal its most-advanced aircraft.

Nearly two years have passed since the Air Force admitted it possessed a stealthy spy drone, the RQ-170 — and we still don’t have an official photo of that bird. Moreover, statements from Washington seem intended to obscure the issue of the mystery chopper.

In any event, the implications are potentially enormous. For one, the existence of a stealthy helicopter means we must revise upward our assessment of U.S. Special Operations Forces’ ability to strike fast and unseen, all over the world.

Second, we should take with a grain of salt all the recent hand-wringing over the supposed decay in the American military rotorcraft industry. If we really have already fielded the world’s first radar-evading helicopter, there’s less reason to worry that the United States might have lost its chopper-making skills.

Third, the fact that the Pentagon was willing to risk its most secret whirlybird “shows the importance of the mission in the eyes of U.S. commanders,” according to Aviation Week’s Bill Sweetman, who was, as usual, among the first to report on the new chopper.

Finally, the black helicopter sheds new light on the military’s suspicion of possible Pakistani interference in the bin Laden raid. In his speech announcing bin Laden’s death, President Barack Obama heaped praise on Pakistan. “Our counter-terrorism cooperation with Pakistan helped lead us to bin Laden.”

But Panetta later admitted that the United States had deliberately not told Pakistan of the impending raid. That “could jeopardize the mission,” because Pakistan “might alert the targets.”

Moreover, Joint Special Operations Command wasn’t comfortable simply arriving on the scene in its decidedly radar-visible Army Chinooks or Air Force MV-22 tilt-rotors. That would’ve meant essentially barging into Pakistani airspace, and hoping that Islamabad would refrain from targeting the attackers with surface-to-air-missiles.

No, JSOC felt it was necessary to stay off Pakistani radar displays for as long as possible. The unavoidable inference is that the commandos feared Pakistan might actually shoot at unannounced American choppers. That revelation, more so than the mere existence of a stealthy helicopter, could be the most compelling news of all.

[Knight165]

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That last bit of the video report was interesting about the electricity getting knocked out, then coming back on when the chopper left. Mini-EMP?

I don't know....from what I understand...EMP's will destroy electronics, not just render them null.
Interesting though!


M.K.
Knight165

[av7]

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The Reuters pictures just go to show that leaking of photos are pretty much a guarantee these days.

Pakistan took the football and spiked it instead.

[rspencer86]

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I don't know....from what I understand...EMP's will destroy electronics, not just render them null.
Interesting though!


M.K.
Knight165

Yeah you're right. Must have been something else.

I think one thing that is scary for other countries and U.S. enemies is we've been fighting multiple wars over the past decade, and we still have all of these weapons, technologies and tools that haven't even seen the light of day, waiting for the right situation or opportunity to be unleashed.

[JohnnytheSkin]

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I still can't believe this thread is open. There is tons of political talk, some religious talk, and all sorts of TOS violations here.

We all know the news, now close it up and let people hunt out their various points of view elsewhere on the web.

[av7]

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I still can't believe this thread is open. There is tons of political talk, some religious talk, and all sorts of TOS violations here.

We all know the news, now close it up and let people hunt out their various points of view elsewhere on the web.

How about you stop trying to mod?

[JohnnytheSkin]

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How about you stop trying to mod?

I'm not...

???

[bichettehappens]

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There's obviously still ongoing discussions happening in this thread and with this topic. I just skim over the political/religious/troll posts. The last few posts though definitely prove this thread still serves a productive purpose.