State Trooper stops Speeding Cops

[Buckeyes_Doc]

Re: State Trooper stops Speeding Cops

Lol, first time I've seen something like that.

[NDAlum]

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The female state trooper has every right to go ahead and enforce the laws in her state as she sees fit. I don't think anybody will knock her for making the stop and arrest.

I think her traffic stop was terrible with regards to execution. I'll explain below

What is up with the drawn weapon though?

My only guess is that she wanted to make a point. I read an article on this and she was glad to finally catch a speeding officer. I'm not condoning speeding by any officer FWIW.

I really don't see a reason to articulate by her firearm was drawn. The car obviously isn't stolen because if it were you'd have an immediate BOLO for a stolen police car. Also, if it was stolen that person isn't going to stop. Well at least the likelihood of them stopping is very rare. And on top of that if it's stolen you never stop it ALONE because of the inherent danger.

If I try and stop a stolen vehicle alone I'll get written up for breaking policy. Plus if it's a stolen vehicle stop you need to officers to properly conduct a felony stop.

I saw a female officer happy to finally get a speeding officer and she wanted to rub it in. I thought she was very unprofessional.

If she was pulling over a citizen she would likely be punished for her conduct.

I would think because the officer in the Miami PD car has access to a weapon of his own. I guess you just can't assume that he's not a danger.

I see your point but as an officer let me tell you this is greatly flawed.

How does she know that there's a firearm in the car? She doesn't
Is there a very high probability? Yes of course

If I pull over a person who's been locked up for several armed robberies in the past can I draw my weapon immediately? What if that person has a valid CCW permit and they are wearing a security uniform?

I know many people ARE a danger to law enforcement through their criminal past and my prior encounters. Am I allowed to draw down on them when they commit a misdemeanor crime? That's all the officer did...a misdemeanor traffic offense.

I could go on and on...but I'll stop

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So to recap:
- Female state trooper can pull over anybody she wants to enforce the law. No problem with the stop or the arrest. That officer was completely wrong for speeding and not stopping immediately.

- Female ST acted unprofessional on a traffic stop for misdemeanor traffic offense. If she pulled over a citizen she's being criticized, not praised. I saw her on a power trip by the drawing of her firearm.

[NDAlum]

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A felony stop for the curious (we actually take them back further with the walk...)

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I don't know of any method out there where you EVER approach a car with your gun drawn while knowing a suspect is in the vehicle.

[Trevytrev11]

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My only guess is that she wanted to make a point. I read an article on this and she was glad to finally catch a speeding officer. I'm not condoning speeding by any officer FWIW.

Probably right, but my take was, from the audio, that the speeding officer did not pull over in a reasonable amount of time (this seems to upset officers - see below). Because of that, is it safe for the trooper to assume that the officer had something to hide or was trying to evade for one reason or another?

That would make sense to me.

This wasn't a long high speed chase that we see on Tales of the Highway Patrol, but from the audio, it seemed like the officer was given plenty of time to stop and did not do so in a reasonable manner, thus giving the trooper reason to be suspicious and draw her weapon.

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as to my point above...it seems that when cars do not pull over right away, officers get very suspicious and angry over it. I've seen this plenty of times on reality tv shows, but have also experienced it two times first hand.

1) When I was in college, my roomate and I were driving back from an indian-casino (18+) late at night..probably 2 in the morning. Neither of us had had a sip of alcohol....we were on a super dark stretch of a 2 lane highway...my roomie was going 70 in a 60..definitely speeding. When we were flashed by the cop, it was pitch black out and my roomie wanted to pull over into a more lit area for both of our safety...he turned his hazards on to notify the cop that we saw him and drove for maybe a mile to a more well lit area...this absolutely irritated the cop as he basically came to the window screaming at us to pull over when and where he told us to and that we were full of crap and trying to hide something from him.

I remember this because not too long before that, some girl was pulled over by a fake cop and car jacked or something and on the news they interviewed some high ranking police officer and his tip was to pull over in a well lit area and call 9-11 to verify whether or not there was an actual cop pulling you over...

2) I was driving with my wife in a busy *** section of road with no safe shoulders to pull over to (2 narrow lanes going in each direction with about 4 feet of shoulder)...I drove a little ways up the road with my blinker on showing that I was intending to pull over, pulled off the main road and into a parking lot, doing what I thought was a benefit to the officer, but instead, I again got railed for not pulling over right away.

3) About 3 years ago, I was pulled over and pulled directly over only to have the officer get behind me, blare his horn and tell me to pull up the road further...I told him about the previous episode and he was understanding....but wtf...can't win.

[Knight165]

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So why intentionally go out of your way to send a thread down a path that historically doesn't end well?

Did I?...or did I really say...


"Look at how to act when you are instructed by a P.O. to do something".

You can't ask for P.O.'s to respond in a thread and then admonish them for doing so.

THAT'S what I took away from that video.....so that's what I posted.

M.K.
Knight165

[shugknight]

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Well this thread seems to have gotten out of hand.

For what it's worth:

- Around the 15 second mark, you hear her radio in that the cop car will not stop.
- When he finally does pull over (on the wrong side of the highway imo) he is hesitant to get his hands out of the window. (A normal civilian doing this could be portrayed as someone grabbing or hiding evidence/weapons)
- She draws her gun when he does not put his hands out the window.
- When he finally gets out of the car, he keeps insisting that he did not know he was being pulled over (which in my opinion is another reason why the lady was irritated he did not pull over right away)
- Even as a civilian, I know, that police officers do not drive 120 mph on the highway without their lights on. When civilians see the lights on a cop car, they tend to move over to let the cop car pass by, by not having any lights on, he had to swerve left and right to avoid traffic. Pretty sure that's something a cop shouldn't be doing.

Knight, I get your rant. I am not a cop, so I can't understand what cops go through everyday. Unfortunately there is always going to be negative criticism for cops until they are needed.

What is more unfortunate is that there are also many cops out there that are corrupt and do not abide by the laws that most respectable cops do. They are on a power trip and think that no one can stop them because they are the law.

Seems to me, this young cop and he sounds young by the way he was stuttering his explanation to the trooper.. "Umm Ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, I didn't know you were pulling me over.. ma'am.." was running late, and thought it would do no harm to drive 120 mph down a BUSY highway swerving left and right of traffic cutting people off.

[NDAlum]

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Probably right, but my take was, from the audio, that the speeding officer did not pull over in a reasonable amount of time (this seems to upset officers - see below). Because of that, is it safe for the trooper to assume that the officer had something to hide or was trying to evade for one reason or another?

That would make sense to me.

This wasn't a long high speed chase that we see on Tales of the Highway Patrol, but from the audio, it seemed like the officer was given plenty of time to stop and did not do so in a reasonable manner, thus giving the trooper reason to be suspicious and draw her weapon.

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as to my point above...it seems that when cars do not pull over right away, officers get very suspicious and angry over it. I've seen this plenty of times on reality tv shows, but have also experienced it two times first hand.

1) When I was in college, my roomate and I were driving back from an indian-casino (18+) late at night..probably 2 in the morning. Neither of us had had a sip of alcohol....we were on a super dark stretch of a 2 lane highway...my roomie was going 70 in a 60..definitely speeding. When we were flashed by the cop, it was pitch black out and my roomie wanted to pull over into a more lit area for both of our safety...he turned his hazards on to notify the cop that we saw him and drove for maybe a mile to a more well lit area...this absolutely irritated the cop as he basically came to the window screaming at us to pull over when and where he told us to and that we were full of crap and trying to hide something from him.

I remember this because not too long before that, some girl was pulled over by a fake cop and car jacked or something and on the news they interviewed some high ranking police officer and his tip was to pull over in a well lit area and call 9-11 to verify whether or not there was an actual cop pulling you over...

2) I was driving with my wife in a busy *** section of road with no safe shoulders to pull over to (2 narrow lanes going in each direction with about 4 feet of shoulder)...I drove a little ways up the road with my blinker on showing that I was intending to pull over, pulled off the main road and into a parking lot, doing what I thought was a benefit to the officer, but instead, I again got railed for not pulling over right away.

3) About 3 years ago, I was pulled over and pulled directly over only to have the officer get behind me, blare his horn and tell me to pull up the road further...I told him about the previous episode and he was understanding....but wtf...can't win.

If it's ok for the trooper to draw down on the officer for not pulling over in a reasonable amount of time then wouldn't it have been acceptable for you to have been drawn down on in situation #1 & #2?

Failing to pull over in a reasonable fashion puts the officer in problem solving mode REAL quick. I know I think of worst case scenario because it could happen.

There are good & bad people in every profession. I would look down upon somebody yelling at a person who gave a perfectly good reason to delay pulling over. The delay would simply cause me to go into "how do I not die tonight?" mode

[shugknight]

Re: State Trooper stops Speeding Cops

Well this thread seems to have gotten out of hand.

For what it's worth:

- Around the 15 second mark, you hear her radio in that the cop car will not stop.
- When he finally does pull over (on the wrong side of the highway imo) he is hesitant to get his hands out of the window. (A normal civilian doing this could be portrayed as someone grabbing or hiding evidence/weapons)
- She draws her gun when he does not put his hands out the window.
- When he finally gets out of the car, he keeps insisting that he did not know he was being pulled over (which in my opinion is another reason why the lady was irritated he did not pull over right away)
- Even as a civilian, I know, that police officers do not drive 120 mph on the highway without their lights on. When civilians see the lights on a cop car, they tend to move over to let the cop car pass by, by not having any lights on, he had to swerve left and right to avoid traffic. Pretty sure that's something a cop shouldn't be doing.

Knight, I get your rant. I am not a cop, so I can't understand what cops go through everyday. Unfortunately there is always going to be negative criticism for cops until they are needed.

What is more unfortunate is that there are also many cops out there that are corrupt and do not abide by the laws that most respectable cops do. They are on a power trip and think that no one can stop them because they are the law.

Seems to me, this young cop and he sounds young by the way he was stuttering his explanation to the trooper.. "Umm Ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, I didn't know you were pulling me over.. ma'am.." was running late, and thought it would do no harm to drive 120 mph down a BUSY highway swerving left and right of traffic cutting people off.

In the suburbs of Chicago, all suburban cops have a rule when they pull over someone at night...They must wait for another cop to come and back him up just in case something happens. Even during normal traffic violations, the cop who pulled over a driver has to wait for someone to back him up before approaching the car.

[bgeno]

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Probably right, but my take was, from the audio, that the speeding officer did not pull over in a reasonable amount of time (this seems to upset officers - see below). Because of that, is it safe for the trooper to assume that the officer had something to hide or was trying to evade for one reason or another?

That would make sense to me.

This wasn't a long high speed chase that we see on Tales of the Highway Patrol, but from the audio, it seemed like the officer was given plenty of time to stop and did not do so in a reasonable manner, thus giving the trooper reason to be suspicious and draw her weapon.

----

as to my point above...it seems that when cars do not pull over right away, officers get very suspicious and angry over it. I've seen this plenty of times on reality tv shows, but have also experienced it two times first hand.

1) When I was in college, my roomate and I were driving back from an indian-casino (18+) late at night..probably 2 in the morning. Neither of us had had a sip of alcohol....we were on a super dark stretch of a 2 lane highway...my roomie was going 70 in a 60..definitely speeding. When we were flashed by the cop, it was pitch black out and my roomie wanted to pull over into a more lit area for both of our safety...he turned his hazards on to notify the cop that we saw him and drove for maybe a mile to a more well lit area...this absolutely irritated the cop as he basically came to the window screaming at us to pull over when and where he told us to and that we were full of crap and trying to hide something from him.

I remember this because not too long before that, some girl was pulled over by a fake cop and car jacked or something and on the news they interviewed some high ranking police officer and his tip was to pull over in a well lit area and call 9-11 to verify whether or not there was an actual cop pulling you over...

2) I was driving with my wife in a busy *** section of road with no safe shoulders to pull over to (2 narrow lanes going in each direction with about 4 feet of shoulder)...I drove a little ways up the road with my blinker on showing that I was intending to pull over, pulled off the main road and into a parking lot, doing what I thought was a benefit to the officer, but instead, I again got railed for not pulling over right away.

I've had a similar situation myself.

I was doing 77 in a 40 (DEFINITELY learned my lesson on this one, and the ticket and license suspension I got were CERTAINLY warranted).

The police officer got behind me almost immediately and put his lights on. The only problem was that I was going across a bridge when he started to pull me over. At the end of the bridge, I could have gone straight, up a hill that I KNEW had little/no shoulder, or I could have turned right at the end of the bridge, stopped at a stop-sign, and found somewhere to pull over on that road.

I chose the latter, keeping my right turn signal on the entire time, stopping at the stop-sign, allowing enough cars to pass so that both the officer and I had time to pull out onto the road. When I finally pulled out (still with my right turn signal on), after stopping for probably 15 seconds, the officer turned his siren on. I still had no shoulder, but was in the right lane of highway that had two lanes going in my direction, one lane going the opposite way.

So, hearing his siren, I immediately stopped in my lane.

The officer came to my window and was very agitated. He told me he thought I might be "running" and was about to "call for back-up." He even asked if I'd ever watched COPS before, because apparently the people that run on their go 10 miles below the speed limit after the officer gets behind them and keep their right turn signal on the entire time.

[ImTellinTim]

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I guess moral of the story is just pull over right away. If the officer determines that there is a safety risk, he/she will give you further instructions. I'd hate to be the person who's driving so fast and not paying attention that they hit a police car in the process of a traffic stop, though. I think that even where there's not much of a shoulder that the police car will flank you and be pretty clear with its lights on.

[cjonesfan921]

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There is a difference between a reasonable fashion and a 15 minute time frame to pull over.

[TrapStar215]

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Bottom line, he deserves whatever happens to him. I don't believe what she did was wrong. Cop or not, if that was one of us (civilians) the same exact thing would have happen! Plus backup.

[cardsfan2222]

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Speaking of when to pull over, a couple of years ago here a teenage girl was caught speeding at night on a road just outside of town. There was a gas station about half a mile up the road, so she slowed down, put on her flashers, and drove there. The deputy decided she was running and called for backup, and by the time she pulled in to the gas station 2 other cop cars pulled up and drew their guns ordering her out of the car. Way too excessive in my opinion, and the sheriff's office got a lot of negative publicity about that.

Just a couple of weeks after that, the same sheriff's office had a new deputy give a 16 year old girl a field sobriety test just so he could practice, including giving her a full pat down. Both of these instances led to less respect for the sheriff's office, and a negative perception of how they handle things that they are still trying to recover from.

[Trevytrev11]

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Speaking of when to pull over, a couple of years ago here a teenage girl was caught speeding at night on a road just outside of town. There was a gas station about half a mile up the road, so she slowed down, put on her flashers, and drove there. The deputy decided she was running and called for backup, and by the time she pulled in to the gas station 2 other cop cars pulled up and drew their guns ordering her out of the car. Way too excessive in my opinion, and the sheriff's office got a lot of negative publicity about that.

This is what is tough for me. On multiple occasions I have heard of people posing as police officers (flashing lights) and pulling people over then doing whatever crime (robbery, assualt, rape, murder, etc.) to those people...then it is followed up by the police saying that you should always make sure to pull over into a safe, well lit place to try and avoid these situations, but then you are hammered for doing so. I see both sides, but as a civilian, it's like you can't win.

Maybe I don't watch enough cops, as some alluded to above, but to me, if some one puts on their blinker or hazards and is doing the speed limit or less after being flashed upon by the police, that would not come across to me as suspicious behavior...it would come across as exactly what should be expected. However, in my personal experience, it is not.

[NDAlum]

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In the suburbs of Chicago, all suburban cops have a rule when they pull over someone at night...They must wait for another cop to come and back him up just in case something happens. Even during normal traffic violations, the cop who pulled over a driver has to wait for someone to back him up before approaching the car.

Is it policy or an unwritten rule?

I wouldn't like that...gives them too much time to think!

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In Charlotte we can't chase unless the person we're chasing committed a time dangerous to life.

So if I see ImTellinTim break into a home, carry out a laptop to his car, then drive away I can initiate a stop. Well Tim doesn't want to stop and speeds off...well I have to turn off my emergency equipment and abide the posted speed limit. If I don't I'm getting in big trouble