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  • VDusen04
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    • Aug 2003
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    #31
    Re: Thoughts on being a teacher...

    Originally posted by CMH
    Agreed that any money is better than no money. Though, I also understand that it can hurt when you dedicate a specific amount of time and you're not compensated for it because you're salary. My current position is salary and I feel the same way about it.
    Yeah, I'm in the same boat. I honestly feel teachers should receive more compensation than they do, but I didn't want to be that guy. Of course I'd feel that way, I have a teaching degree.

    I know a teacher friend of mine who had co-workers who logged their work hours throughout the entire year, including time at school, during school, after school, home planning, and taking additional classes to remain certified. The average number ended up being 13 months of full-time work (40 hour weeks, 4 times a month, 13 months a year) taking place in 9 months.

    What is this exactly? Do teachers actually have to take post-grade level courses if their classes don't perform?
    As Gamecock mentioned a few posts back, teachers must renew their certification every few years. Mine expires in 2015, so I need to have at least 9 additional credit hours (post-grad) in order to retain my certification. More money out of the pocket, more loans taken out, etc. Again, I have a friend who is fortunate to work in a district that pays $5000 toward higher education for each teacher who stays with them for at least five years. But that is not the norm.

    Also, how have you seen this handled in your experience?

    For example, if your principal knows you have a rough set of kids and most fail, do they blame you mostly for it, or will they at least look at what improvements were made?

    In other words, does administration take a fair approach to measure a teacher's effectiveness or do you think the wrong measures are taken into consideration? What are those measures?
    This is the most awesome (sarcasm) part about the education system in Michigan right now (and likely in certain other states as well). Michigan just adopted the "judge teachers by standardized tests and principal-given teacher grades" guidelines last year. And at this point, nearly no one knows exactly how to provide these grades accurately.

    To go back to my friend once again (honestly, I'm not secretly talking about myself), she was given average or slightly below average marks by her principal and was told directly by the principal himself that he gave those marks so she'd be able to have marks that'd appear improved the next time she was graded. Questions about the system often go openly unanswered in school systems. It's an illogical mess.

    In terms of kids' grades and scores, the idea is a teacher must have scores improve from one year to the next, continuously. Folks are trying to rank teachers mathematically and scientifically, almost as if we're basketball players vying for a scoring title or Most Improved Player of the Year trophy. I'm not sure it should work like that.

    This is the one thing that disheartens me most. When I think back on my education, I realize why in public school lessons felt rushed. Do schools try to offer programs for students that need to play catch-up? Do they allow you, as a teacher, to offer time to those students (assuming you want to make the time and the students are up for it)?
    Well, I think most teachers are required to be available after school for situations where a student may need additional help, but it's not always so simple. As you said, teachers need the time and students need to be up to it. I think for the most part schools do a fine job of providing adequate outlets, but I'm just not sure they're fully taken advantage of by students and parents.

    What's your experience with how schools handle these kids? Do they push them up grade levels just to push them? Have you ever felt forced to hand out certain grades or pass students just to meet standards set by the school? (Not to keep your job, but because they enforced it)
    Students for the most part can only be held back for so long. For instance, 19 years old is our age cap for being in high school, so it's not as if we can hold a kid back once in first grade, then again in second, etc. Plus, parents often do not like the idea of their child being held back, even if it's completely and obviously necessary.

    What happens to the kids that fall through the cracks? Well, I've spent a significant portion of my young career working in an alternative education environment. It's a branch of the actual school system that caters to students who struggle in traditional educational settings, whether it be because they struggle within the classroom, don't learn very effectively via lecture, are being bullied, or just flat out don't feel they fit well in the ol' high school full of cliques.

    The alternative high school is a tremendous outlet for students who either failed the traditional high school or had the traditional high school fail them. It's a comfortable, tight family setting. When I began my work there (first as a basketball coach) I prepared myself for frequent fights and general lunacy, but nothing could have been further from the truth. Even though the alt. ed. often seems like an afterthought to the administration, it's actually a wonderful safety net for those who fell through. There's a lot of self-paced computer learning as well as many other alternative ways to meet traditional high school state-mandated goals. Those who stick with it ultimately receive a high school diploma.

    On the flip side, many unfortunately even fall through our safety net. That's where, oftentimes, our Adult Education program comes into play (which I've also had my hand in). From a teaching standpoint, one of the most beautiful things about the Alternative Education and Adult Education environment is the educational freedom. The same courses must be taught and passed as the high school, and those same courses must contain the same exact benchmarks, but there's such a dramatic drop in rigid structure. For example, that meant, for students learning Economics, I could actually afford to go my own route and explain supply and demand through XBox, Wii, and Playstation releases. I had moments to catch my breath and choose my own path toward educating these guys. It was a win-win.

    Most people are reluctant to embrace the idea (I was), but I'd keep alternative or adult education in the back of my mind in your case. It has a lot more to offer than I ever imagined it would. There's something awfully direct and present about handing a diploma over to a 34 year single mother who finally built up the courage to come back and begin the road of making something for herself.

    I'd like to read those as well.
    I might need a separate post for all the positives.
    Last edited by VDusen04; 08-09-2012, 06:45 PM.

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    • jb12780
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      #32
      Originally posted by CMH
      Confused.

      No job security or great job security? I already have ridiculous job security where I am.


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      Im saying there will always be a need for teachers. Teachers have great job security as long as they receive tenure.

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      • CMH
        Making you famous
        • Oct 2002
        • 26203

        #33
        Originally posted by mgoblue
        I'd just keep in mind that even at the high end (teacher with lots of seniority and a masters degree) you'll make more money but never a ton. It's not a degree you do to make money.

        That being said, my dad was a computer science guy with a MBA and he changed careers after 40 to become a HS math teacher. Do what you enjoy.

        Just want to point out that depending on your lifestyle and what your life goals are it may be tough on a teacher's salary.
        Definitely not about the money for me. It's nice but not my primary focus. Usually that bothers people. They want money to drive every decision I make.


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        • MachoMyers
          Old School
          • Jul 2002
          • 7670

          #34
          Re: Thoughts on being a teacher...

          Have been teaching for 4 years in England and love it. Wife is a teacher as well and we spend 14 weeks a year travelling around the world. Money is good (my rich friends wouldn't agree) but I love the job. I would write more but I'm on the lake. Work in the summer? No thanks!

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          • jyoung
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            • Dec 2006
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            #35
            Re: Thoughts on being a teacher...

            I don't know what schools some of you guys work in, but every teacher I know brings home a ton of work during the school year.

            Don't assume that it's just a 7 AM to 3 PM job. There is a lot of work that has to be done outside the school's normal hours.

            That is the major adjustment most people have to make if they're transitioning from a "clock in, clock out" type of job where they can just leave everything at work the minute their shift ends.

            Also, once you manage to get tenure, you will basically never be fired unless you commit a crime or do something heinously offensive.
            Last edited by jyoung; 08-09-2012, 09:18 PM.

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            • CMH
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              • Oct 2002
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              #36
              Originally posted by jyoung
              I don't know what schools some of you guys work in, but every teacher I know brings home a ton of work during the school year.

              Don't assume that it's just a 7 AM to 3 PM job. There is a lot of work that has to be done outside the school's normal hours.

              That is the major adjustment most people have to make if they're transitioning from a "clock in, clock out" type of job where they can just leave everything at work the minute their shift ends.

              Also, once you manage to get tenure, you will basically never be fired unless you commit a crime or do something heinously offensive.
              Work never ends for me. I'd be adjusted.

              It'll be nice to work on my own time rather than on someone else's time, calling me, emailing me at random times in the night.


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              "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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              • Jr.
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                • Feb 2003
                • 19171

                #37
                Re: Thoughts on being a teacher...

                I'm glad I found this thread, as I have been considering becoming a teacher as well. I have a few other questions, if anyone can help.

                I already have a Master's, but would I still need to take education training courses? I looked up Colorado's license requirements and they have an alternative teaching license. From what I read, it seems as though I would only need to pass the subject test (Social Studies) and I would be able to teach. However, I've talked to a few other teachers in Colorado and they have told me I still need education training courses before I can get my license.

                Does anyone know more about this? I'm looking specifically for Colorado, but I can probably put 2 and 2 together from info about how other states do it.

                I'm having a hell of a time trying to find a job (was laid off 3 weeks ago) as it seems that my very expensive degree is basically worthless until the Military starts hiring again.
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                • jyoung
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                  • Dec 2006
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                  #38
                  Re: Thoughts on being a teacher...

                  Most private schools don't have any requirements other than a Bachelor's degree. If you're coming in without certification, they'll usually help you get that during your off time.

                  Public schools are a whole 'nother ballgame. It's a very rigid hiring process. You will already need to be certified for most public schools to hire you.

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                  • GAMEC0CK2002
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                    • Aug 2002
                    • 10384

                    #39
                    Re: Thoughts on being a teacher...

                    Originally posted by Baughn3
                    I'm glad I found this thread, as I have been considering becoming a teacher as well. I have a few other questions, if anyone can help.

                    I already have a Master's, but would I still need to take education training courses? I looked up Colorado's license requirements and they have an alternative teaching license. From what I read, it seems as though I would only need to pass the subject test (Social Studies) and I would be able to teach. However, I've talked to a few other teachers in Colorado and they have told me I still need education training courses before I can get my license.

                    Does anyone know more about this? I'm looking specifically for Colorado, but I can probably put 2 and 2 together from info about how other states do it.

                    I'm having a hell of a time trying to find a job (was laid off 3 weeks ago) as it seems that my very expensive degree is basically worthless until the Military starts hiring again.
                    In SC, I did the alternative certification program. You pass the subject test then apply and 99% get accepted. You get teaching education over 3 years in summer and winter sessions throughout the year. You are also teaching with 1 year contracts.

                    A master's degree will increase your base salary over someone without it.

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                    • mgoblue
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                      • Jul 2002
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                      #40
                      Re: Thoughts on being a teacher...

                      Originally posted by CMH
                      Definitely not about the money for me. It's nice but not my primary focus. Usually that bothers people. They want money to drive every decision I make.


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                      • Lieutenant Dan
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                        • Sep 2007
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                        #41
                        Re: Thoughts on being a teacher...

                        Originally posted by CMH
                        Definitely not about the money for me. It's nice but not my primary focus. Usually that bothers people. They want money to drive every decision I make.


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                        • vanderbiltfan87
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                          • Jun 2008
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                          #42
                          Re: Thoughts on being a teacher...

                          Haven't read the entire thread yet and have a busy work day and weekend ahead of me. I'm beginning my last year of my Masters of Education, and my girlfriend is starting her third year of teaching. I'll add some thoughts to the discussion when I can next week.

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                          • Jr.
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                            • Feb 2003
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                            #43
                            Re: Thoughts on being a teacher...

                            Originally posted by jyoung
                            Most private schools don't have any requirements other than a Bachelor's degree. If you're coming in without certification, they'll usually help you get that during your off time.

                            Public schools are a whole 'nother ballgame. It's a very rigid hiring process. You will already need to be certified for most public schools to hire you.
                            Yeah, I have been looking into the private schools out here, but I haven't seen any openings in 2 years. From what I've heard, when people get jobs at private schools out here, they don't leave until they're fired or retire.

                            Originally posted by GAMEC0CK2002
                            In SC, I did the alternative certification program. You pass the subject test then apply and 99% get accepted. You get teaching education over 3 years in summer and winter sessions throughout the year. You are also teaching with 1 year contracts.

                            A master's degree will increase your base salary over someone without it.
                            Thanks, man. I'll look into it more, but I think I'm going to register as a Substitute Teacher and go ahead and take the subject test. It's been a little while since I've looked at the requirements, but if I can get the certification, it certainly won't hurt my job outlook.
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                            • tabarnes19_SDS
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                              • Feb 2003
                              • 3084

                              #44
                              Re: Thoughts on being a teacher...

                              I have been teaching for 11 years and what I can tell you is the landscape of teaching is changing radically. Teachers for the most part, teach because its a passion and they feel the need to help and enrich the lives of people.

                              What is occurring now in education, is the exact opposite of what teaching is about. Now everything is about teaching to a test, teacher ratings based on the results of the students standardized test scores....The child is now forgotten. Students that teachers used to work with to push them to improve are now being left behind, because they can gain more "points" with other student.

                              I also see a deep hatred now for teachers. Here in NY, teachers are pointed at being the villain with our "plush benefits and salary." Unfortunately most of us in the education field have never seen these salaries. I make $43000 after 11 years. I am not complaining, I love children and what I do(for the most part--take away the bureaucratic stuff) But making ends meet is sometimes a challenge. My wife and I are both teachers and we pay a total of $700 a month for 20 years in student loan debt.

                              Unfortunately many of my friends are leaving the field for other jobs, since the stress, pressure and lack of support is pushing them to other fields. Also schools are slashing staffs at all time highs.

                              If teaching was what it was 10 years ago, I would say jump in, but there are so few jobs out there, last position we had over 600 people apply, and working conditions are not what they used to be and the investment in going back to school may never pay off.

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                              • dickey1331
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                                #45
                                My cousin and Aunt are teachers and they love it. My cousin teaches special needs and my aunt teaches 5th grade.

                                When I do my 20 years in the military I plan on becoming a teacher. I love helping people and feel like its the perfect retirement job.


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