Elementary School Shooting in Connecticut

[Fresh Tendrils]

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Well no and these things will never stop happening, but we still need to strengthen and have a valid, in-depth conversation on our mental health system (or lack of one) in this country.

[Phobia]

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Well no and these things will never stop happening, but we still need to strengthen and have a valid, in-depth conversation on our mental health system (or lack of one) in this country.

True, I'm not saying that. I fully agree things need to be in place that are logical such as schools not being able to be entered by just anyone. I'm saying is how do you "mentally" evaluate people just for the heck of it.

For instance: I work with this guy. Something must be wrong with him mentally. He comes off ogger-ish, is really really quiet, and just looks as if he is going to walk in with a shotgun and murder everyone. Now you talk to him and he is a nice guy, but by his looks and body language he is truly scary. Do you just detain him and mentally evaluate him? Do you request it? What if he refuses (who would take this, it is a lose lose).?

My point is the guy looks scary and fits the bill of doing something like this how "hind sight" always shows with these cases. BUT he might be a perfectly normal guy the rest of his years. So how do you ever really know what a person is going to do or not do?

In hind sight this kid that walked in this Connecticut school appears as if "something" should have been done. But what about the other 100,000 kids that have similar outward perceptions yet grow up and never do anything. It is easy to look back and say "we should of did something with this kid", yet the fact remains you can never tell who is going to go grab a gun and hurt people.

[CMH]

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...yet the fact remains you can never tell who is going to go grab a gun and hurt people.

Agree and I think this is the summary of your posts.

I still do think that this event has allowed those that think mental illness is largely ignored in this country to have a soap box to stand on so people can listen. And I think that's a good thing.

I don't think - or I hope not - that people believe there is a simple answer to prevent something like Sandy Hook, and you are correct to say we don't know how much mental illness had an effect on the murderer.

I do think that people are curious if it did and in response are wondering what we can do to prevent a similar event from someone that does have a mental illness.

If we can't answer for those that are innately evil, at least we can try to find an answer for those that are innately disturbed.

[chilli311]

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I still do think that this event has allowed those that think mental illness is largely ignored in this country to have a soap box to stand on so people can listen. And I think that's a good thing.

Feel free to delete this if it seems to be political, but that isn't my intention.

I think the problem isn't so much that mental illness is ignored. I think it's more that people are too quick to diagnose something. I read a good article about this in the past week, so I'll try to dig it up again, but the short version was that every parent who has a rambunctious child has to go find a shrink to tell them that the kid has ADD/ADHD, or one of the hundreds of other disorders that seem so much more prevalent today. You dose these kids up with legal versions of hard drugs and expect them to mature in a normal fashion? Good luck with that.

I'm not saying that these aren't real issues for SOME individuals, but I have a hard time buying the frequency.

[CMH]

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Feel free to delete this if it seems to be political, but that isn't my intention.

I think the problem isn't so much that mental illness is ignored. I think it's more that people are too quick to diagnose something. I read a good article about this in the past week, so I'll try to dig it up again, but the short version was that every parent who has a rambunctious child has to go find a shrink to tell them that the kid has ADD/ADHD, or one of the hundreds of other disorders that seem so much more prevalent today. You dose these kids up with legal versions of hard drugs and expect them to mature in a normal fashion? Good luck with that.

I'm not saying that these aren't real issues for SOME individuals, but I have a hard time buying the frequency.

I think that's actually part of the discussion that's coming up.

When I say ignore, I mean exactly that you bring up. People are too quick to control the condition with medication rather than find a way to either rid the individual of the condition or give them the care they need.

I'm not saying we have to lock these people up in cells. Goodness, I hope not.

But I really don't want to talk about this too much in this thread. I rather this be about Sandy Hook. Perhaps another thread, though I fear it won't survive in this forum.

[Phobia]

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Feel free to delete this if it seems to be political, but that isn't my intention.

I think the problem isn't so much that mental illness is ignored. I think it's more that people are too quick to diagnose something. I read a good article about this in the past week, so I'll try to dig it up again, but the short version was that every parent who has a rambunctious child has to go find a shrink to tell them that the kid has ADD/ADHD, or one of the hundreds of other disorders that seem so much more prevalent today. You dose these kids up with legal versions of hard drugs and expect them to mature in a normal fashion? Good luck with that.

I'm not saying that these aren't real issues for SOME individuals, but I have a hard time buying the frequency.

Completely agree with this also.

[Phobia]

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I think that's actually part of the discussion that's coming up.

When I say ignore, I mean exactly that you bring up. People are too quick to control the condition with medication rather than find a way to either rid the individual of the condition or give them the care they need.

I'm not saying we have to lock these people up in cells. Goodness, I hope not.

But I really don't want to talk about this too much in this thread. I rather this be about Sandy Hook. Perhaps another thread, though I fear it won't survive in this forum.

Yea I'm sorry about that, just been a tad annoyed with some of the topics I been reading online on this subject. Kind of just came out what I have been thinking, didn't want to derail the thread. It is a tragic tragic event that is so horrible it is unimaginable.

Back to the point of the thread!

[23]

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Just because a kid doesn't like to sit still or sit through a 45 minute lecture doesn't mean that they have a condition...they're kids LOL

..and my comment earlier was about the mom, Im sorry, but she should've known better and there is little justification for her teaching a kid who isn't all there to shoot guns.

Find out what his talents are or something in that order, not just take him to a freaking firing range and parade guns around your friends like that while he's there which im pretty sure she did.

Don't tell me she didn't spark a fascination in him with that, because she did.


All of the stories about yourself again, you aren't some mentally ill person who can't handle it. We all ran around outside as kids with cap guns and all of those things but we didn't take machine guns to school and point them at the teachers and kids on the playground...

I wonder about people's minds these days, and im speaking about adults

[slickdtc]

Let me just say, at least in my state, even when someone is clearly out of it, if they don't want to be in a psychiatric ward, they don't have to be. Action is only taken after the fact.When I was 17, my stepmom went off the deep end. Literally something just snapped in her head. 4 months after the initial situation, she hung herself in our garage.

She was in a psychiatric ward at least twice. Released every time... She actually escaped once!

Looking back, having this crazy person stay in the same house as me could've ended way worse. I slept with my door locked and ignored her as best I could. But authorities could never do anything because she wasn't a present danger to anyone. Yeah, no one is... UNTIL THEY ARE.

She could have been helped. But she didn't believe she was crazy, and therefore refused any help. She offed herself, but she could have just as easily had some delusion that I or my brothers or my dad was evil and killed us.

Case in point, things like this happen. And only once the dust settles do we say, "I knew it!" And it's bull**** but it's a fine line between denying someone their freedom and keeping them out of society so they don't harm others. But damn it, my stepmom's case was obvious, we all knew it, doctors knew it, authorities knew it, but their hands were tied. That's what pisses me off. Where do we draw the line, who do we believe, what can we do without impeding on people's rights?

[C the Lyte]

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Not to bust up or derail the current conversation, but this makes me proud to be a Titans fan. Definitely the highlight of our year.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Tennessee-Titans-RB-Chris-Johnson-called-to-lift-Newton-familys-spirits-122012

[TheMatrix31]

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Feel free to delete this if it seems to be political, but that isn't my intention.

I think the problem isn't so much that mental illness is ignored. I think it's more that people are too quick to diagnose something. I read a good article about this in the past week, so I'll try to dig it up again, but the short version was that every parent who has a rambunctious child has to go find a shrink to tell them that the kid has ADD/ADHD, or one of the hundreds of other disorders that seem so much more prevalent today. You dose these kids up with legal versions of hard drugs and expect them to mature in a normal fashion? Good luck with that.

I'm not saying that these aren't real issues for SOME individuals, but I have a hard time buying the frequency.

It's the culture of excuse that we've grown into. Everyone's looking for a reason, a justification, an explanation. Everything MUST have some rationalization, apparently. It just MUST be something or someone else's fault. Just look at the last 7 days and see what people have been saying. Everyone's an excuse-maker. It's the way people choose to digest these things, because they just can't wrap their heads around evil being evil and that's that.

And if something truly IS wrong, you can't do anything because you can't offend someone, or whatever it is. It's all PC garbage.

It's pathetic, incredibly naive, and unspeakably dangerous.

[GAMEC0CK2002]

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It's the culture of excuse that we've grown into. Everyone's looking for a reason, a justification, an explanation. Everything MUST have some rationalization, apparently. It just MUST be something or someone else's fault. Just look at the last 7 days and see what people have been saying. Everyone's an excuse-maker. It's the way people choose to digest these things, because they just can't wrap their heads around evil being evil and that's that.

And if something truly IS wrong, you can't do anything because you can't offend someone, or whatever it is. It's all PC garbage.

It's pathetic, incredibly naive, and unspeakably dangerous.

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[Stormyhog]

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I laugh at the NRA they blame video games but do they realize they had a game on the PS2 in 06 called NRA Gun Club. Hypocrites.

[SPTO]

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The NRA really blew an opportunity yesterday...If you want to know more peek at my barely used twitter account @SPTO as i'll explain right now.

[SidVish]

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I got so upset reading this article. Some people just really suck and I hope this bitch goes to jail.

FBI says Woman Posed as Aunt of Newtown Victim to Commit Fraud

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/28/ny...w-nytimes&_r=0