Elementary School Shooting in Connecticut

[SPTO]

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If you ask me, the mom was just as mental. Giving the kid guns, showing them off to people, taking him to ranges... Don't you think that's some seriously deranged stuff?

I'm pretty sure Newtown isn't flooded with dangerous criminals

Apparently I had read she's one of those "end of the world" types but then there's reports she was going to send her son to a mental institution/some school out of state and he goes all gun crazy....

It doesn't make sense "sigh" I mean if she thought her son was unhinged in some way why get him into that kind of thing.

One thing that can be said no matter where you stand on this and that is that this tragedy feels a lot different than the ones in the past and the debate seems to be a lot more genuine than in previous school/other type of shootings.

[Motown]

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If you ask me, the mom was just as mental. Giving the kid guns, showing them off to people, taking him to ranges... Don't you think that's some seriously deranged stuff?

I'm pretty sure Newtown isn't flooded with dangerous criminals

So you believe all these "Doomsday Preppers" are deranged as well, because that is exactly what she was.

[chilli311]

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And with that my brother just texted me that security ordered all teachers in his school to lockdown.

No idea what the whole deal is but he received a text from security that someone attempted to come in with a gun threatening to shoot up the school.

As of right now, they are still in lockdown as security clears the area. I can only be thankful that security was on their game today.


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I hope your brother, and the rest of the school, is alright.

[Dog]

Is that in NC, CMH? Because someone on Twitter said his wife had something similar happen to a school hear her


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[bigeastbumrush]

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I know there's a debate going on in this country and I find it unfortunate. Without getting into it because I'm not trying to invite that debate here, I think it is essential that this country look into mental disorders and find a way to start caring and find a solution for those that suffer from them.

I have family (very very close family) that suffers from the lack of determination to resolve their disorders and though I'd never imagine they could do what this monster did to the adults and children in this event, what do I really know?

The mind is a powerful thing. We can blame something else, but ultimately a person makes a decision. Let's not forget that people suffer from being unable to make the proper decision or being in control of the decision.

I hope as the news dies down, the people desiring us to pay attention to mental disorders are not silenced. We need to find a way to prevent the next person from deciding such an act.

This has been my feelings for awhile as well.

I think more needs to be done in schools by guidance counselors there. We all have been in school and have seen kids who just appear to be "off". But when things happen people who knew of the perpetrators are never surprised by it.

Don't simply jut pass theses kids through the system. Give them the help and attention that they obviously need.

[Phobia]

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If you ask me, the mom was just as mental. Giving the kid guns, showing them off to people, taking him to ranges... Don't you think that's some seriously deranged stuff?

I'm pretty sure Newtown isn't flooded with dangerous criminals

I personally think its completely normal. I grew up in the country and got my first gun at age 12(I had a pellet gun earlier but my first REAL gun at 12). It was a Ruger 22, then a year or so later I received my first 12 gauge, which was a crack barrel 12. I never had to go to shooting ranges because I lived in the country and could go hunting anytime I wanted.

I would wake up 5am and head out hunting, then come home, shower and go to middle school. It was common place for me and many kids here in South Louisiana.

So my point is I see nothing wrong with a kid learning firearm safety and how to operate a weapon. Now as far as the "mentally" challenged kid he was, I don't know it is a tough call. He might not been as "handicap" as they are pegging him. He went to highschool and mingled with kids his age and intelligent level so he could of just come off "quiet and shy".

The real issue people are dodging is not the mentally ill or weapons. It is the simple fact we have free will. A example is something like this. I am a upstanding citizen, I have never been in trouble, no amount of reviews on my mental stability would show any dangerous issues, and yet if I choose to I could commit a horrible act on people. There is nothing that can prevent that.

This right here is what people should come to terms with. The higher the population count gets, the more unstable people you have in existence. If someone wants to do something horrible they can do it and there is no preparing or preventions that can limit it. There is positive precautions, such as no school being able to be enter by just anyone, that should be mandatory by all schools. BUT there is no way humanly possible to prevent people from doing bad things. Yet the government and media is spinning it as if we can prevent this, sadly that is completely false.

Now that does not make this any less tragic, it is flat out sick and horrible, but the fact remains human free will can never be prevented.

[chilli311]

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The real issue people are dodging is not the mentally ill or weapons. It is the simple fact we have free will. A example is something like this. I am a upstanding citizen, I have never been in trouble, no amount of reviews on my mental stability would show any dangerous issues, and yet if I choose to I could commit a horrible act on people. There is nothing that can prevent that.

And I'd argue that a mentally stable person wouldn't just choose to go into a school and start shooting children.

What would the alternative to free will be?

[CMH]

Is that in NC, CMH? Because someone on Twitter said his wife had something similar happen to a school hear her


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It was NYC. Everything is all right. A student mostly talking out of his behind after a confrontation. Security took extreme measures to be safe. I don't have a problem with them reacting in such a way. Better to be safe.


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[CMH]

I personally think its completely normal. I grew up in the country and got my first gun at age 12(I had a pellet gun earlier but my first REAL gun at 12). It was a Ruger 22, then a year or so later I received my first 12 gauge, which was a crack barrel 12. I never had to go to shooting ranges because I lived in the country and could go hunting anytime I wanted.

I would wake up 5am and head out hunting, then come home, shower and go to middle school. It was common place for me and many kids here in South Louisiana.

So my point is I see nothing wrong with a kid learning firearm safety and how to operate a weapon. Now as far as the "mentally" challenged kid he was, I don't know it is a tough call. He might not been as "handicap" as they are pegging him. He went to highschool and mingled with kids his age and intelligent level so he could of just come off "quiet and shy".

The real issue people are dodging is not the mentally ill or weapons. It is the simple fact we have free will. A example is something like this. I am a upstanding citizen, I have never been in trouble, no amount of reviews on my mental stability would show any dangerous issues, and yet if I choose to I could commit a horrible act on people. There is nothing that can prevent that.

This right here is what people should come to terms with. The higher the population count gets, the more unstable people you have in existence. If someone wants to do something horrible they can do it and there is no preparing or preventions that can limit it. There is positive precautions, such as no school being able to be enter by just anyone, that should be mandatory by all schools. BUT there is no way humanly possible to prevent people from doing bad things. Yet the government and media is spinning it as if we can prevent this, sadly that is completely false.

Now that does not make this any less tragic, it is flat out sick and horrible, but the fact remains human free will can never be prevented.

I get it but I agree with Chili.

A mentally stable person chooses not to commit this act. That's their free will.

Of course, there is a chance someone who is mentally stable just decides to be a monster for the heck of it. Plausible. Statistics in the US show that people without mental disorders have committed violent acts. It happens. So I agree there.

But about half (I have to find this stat again) have mental disorders that are largely ignored in this country.

You're right we can't stop people from deciding awful things; but we can at least help those that can't.


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[NYJets]

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With regards to the mother and taking him shooting, I think there is just so much we don't know. We know he had asbergers and a lot of what people who interacted with him have said shows behavior consistent with that. But that alone doesn't lead to something like this. Haven't heard much about emotional disturbances, anger issues, violence, etc. That blog the woman wrote that was called "I am Adam Lanza's mother" was a really good message, and really important topic to call attention too, but we just don't know how much of it applies to this situation. Clearly if this shooter exhibited any of that type of behavior than the mother is crazy for taking him to shooting ranges. But maybe he didn't exhibit that type of behavior, or if he did, maybe it didn't start until much later in his life. We just don't know.

[Phobia]

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I get it but I agree with Chili.

A mentally stable person chooses not to commit this act. That's their free will.

Of course, there is a chance someone who is mentally stable just decides to be a monster for the heck of it. Plausible. Statistics in the US show that people without mental disorders have committed violent acts. It happens. So I agree there.

But about half (I have to find this stat again) have mental disorders that are largely ignored in this country.

You're right we can't stop people from deciding awful things; but we can at least help those that can't.


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See that is the thing, there is plenty of "stable" people who just flip and do crazy stuff. Shoot their wife, walk in work shoot up the place, etc etc. Hell we had a guy here who came off perfectly normal and you would of thought he was the nicest guy. Yet he got arrested for molesting his grand daughter just last year. You can't pick out "crazy" or who will do horrible things like it is labeled with a red marker on each person.

[Phobia]

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And I'd argue that a mentally stable person wouldn't just choose to go into a school and start shooting children.

What would the alternative to free will be?

What about the guy who goes to work every day, is a regular joe, gets frustrated with work and walks in and goes postal out the blue. It has happened plenty of times. Anger and how people react is not a indication of who will do crazy things. Hell John Macenroe might of been considered a dangerous man who "might" hurt people judging by how he handled himself "at work".

There is no alternative to free will that is the point. People will always be able to make what ever decision they want.

[Fresh Tendrils]

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If you're suppressing anger like that then wouldn't that be some form of mental illness? If you're not addressing anger or addressing it in the incorrect ways then I wouldn't say you're a "stable" person.

[Phobia]

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I don't want yall to think I'm coming off insensitive to what happened. I'm would never do that. What I am saying is how the government and media is spinning it as "We HAVE to stop this" comes off ignorant to me. You can take precautions to lessen these kinds of situations but making it so it does not happen is a fantasy.

Hell many of the main serial killers were "known" to be perfectly normal and most neighbors said they were average Joe's. The fact will always remain that we have unstable people, people who flip out, people who have a laps of judgement and do crazy things (KONY 2012 guy), etc. They will do things that are not expected, at times that can't be predicted, and places never imaginable.

We have to have some kind of "knowledge" that their are nuts people out there and we have to be prepared for it. It is not stopping them with a mental test, or removing a pair of scissors from them. That is all I'm trying to say.

[Phobia]

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If you're suppressing anger like that then wouldn't that be some form of mental illness? If you're not addressing anger or addressing it in the incorrect ways then I wouldn't say you're a "stable" person.

Yea but what are we going to do mentally evaluate every single person? Then even with that kind of setup I highly doubt you remove all the dangerous people. Then what you do remove them from society for "supposedly" being dangerous? or do you "treat" them supposedly for being dangerous? Who pays for these treatments?

It is such a false hope in my eyes.