Woman Pushes Man in front of a train in NYC, 2nd time in a month

[SuperBowlNachos]

Re: Woman Pushes Man in front of a train in NYC, 2nd time in a month

From afar the solution seems obvious. When I road the Metro in Washington DC the cars came flying in. Seems like they could just have the cars creep in slow enough that someone could either get up or the cars could stop without screeching along the tracks.

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Re: Woman Pushes Man in front of a train in NYC, 2nd time in a month

Everything involving public transportation is stupid as ****.

I'd rather deal with traffic any day than immerse myself in those cesspools.

Overall, I agree. But in a place like New York City it just isn't practical or even realistic in most cases.

[GAMEC0CK2002]

Re: Woman Pushes Man in front of a train in NYC, 2nd time in a month

When I lived in MD, the Metro was the most efficient way to get around DC, VA and MD. The trains came flying in though and there was/is? nothing to prevent you from being a bug on the windshield besides common sense.

I was never one that had to be first go get on...preferred standing up.

You'll see a bunch of "sketchy" characters on the Metro.

[z Revis]

It's ridiculous that people(was just watching a news story about this) are justifying how rare an incident like this is as a way to not put some kind of barrier or something there to prevent people from being pushed or falling onto the tracks etc.

I'm sorry but were talking about lives lost here. I don't care how little the body count is, it's the fact that there is one and it could be prevented.


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[mattsb84]

Re: Woman Pushes Man in front of a train in NYC, 2nd time in a month

It's ridiculous that people(was just watching a news story about this) are justifying how rare an incident like this is as a way to not put some kind of barrier or something there to prevent people from being pushed or falling onto the tracks etc.

I'm sorry but were talking about lives lost here. I don't care how little the body count is, it's the fact that there is one and it could be prevented.


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Who's paying for these safe barriers? 468 stations in total. The cost would be astronomical. Not to mention the length of time to get them installed without interrupting daily commutes.

More people die driving every year...what do you suggest to rectify that?

[z Revis]

Who's paying for these safe barriers? 468 stations in total. The cost would be astronomical. Not to mention the length of time to get them installed without interrupting daily commutes.

More people die driving every year...what do you suggest to rectify that?

How does this in any way compare to car crashes? You can't completely eliminate car crashes. People will text and drive no matter what law is passed if they really want to. Just like there will always be someone who gets behind the wheel of a car after spending the night at a bar. Just to use a couple of examples.

However you CAN prevent this completely.




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[Knight165]

Re: Woman Pushes Man in front of a train in NYC, 2nd time in a month

How does this in any way compare to car crashes? You can't completely eliminate car crashes. People will text and drive no matter what law is passed if they really want to. Just like there will always be someone who gets behind the wheel of a car after spending the night at a bar. Just to use a couple of examples.

However you CAN prevent this completely.




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Not exactly....

http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/scie...car-is-moving/

http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2012/06/26/new-car-tech-will-spot-and-stop-drunk-drivers/

Guess why they will likely never be standard in vehicles?
(but you are correct in the fact that car crashes would never be eliminated totally)

$$$$$ is one big reason.


So mattsb has a point to some extent.


M.K.
Knight165

[kingkilla56]

Re: Woman Pushes Man in front of a train in NYC, 2nd time in a month

To apply safety barriers in NYC subways, would cost way too much money. And the death rate of subway customers isnt near high enough to call for it. Freak incidents happen; but people dying on train tracks isnt all that common in the city (surprisingly). Now if people, kids, babies, elderly were falling in on a daily basis then it would be a diferent story.

Whenever Im in a subway station I stay far away from the ledge. Im always paranoid about falling over and not being able to get back up.

[bigeastbumrush]

Re: Woman Pushes Man in front of a train in NYC, 2nd time in a month

Who's paying for these safe barriers? 468 stations in total. The cost would be astronomical. Not to mention the length of time to get them installed without interrupting daily commutes.

More people die driving every year...what do you suggest to rectify that?

The MTA is always BSing about how they're in some deficit. Well if the suits weren't hoarding the money they make, they'd have more than enough money to upgrade every subway station and car 10 times over.

I don't buy that argument about costs.

I've lived in NY my whole life.

I have never not once seen an MTA employee cleaning a subway car. Not once.

You know how many people ride the subway every single day? Over 1.6 billion in total last year. You do the math on that.

I'm sure they can cover the costs for some barriers and to clean up those rat infested stations to protect its passengers.

[ubernoob]

When I lived in DC I was about 3 blocks from the Eastern Market metro station.

No way I would take anything but public transportation in DMV area it covers.

Out west here, though? Never ever ever ever ever would take it unless it was a last resort.

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[Knight165]

Re: Woman Pushes Man in front of a train in NYC, 2nd time in a month

The MTA is always BSing about how they're in some deficit. Well if the suits weren't hoarding the money they make, they'd have more than enough money to upgrade every subway station and car 10 times over.

I don't buy that argument about costs.

I've lived in NY my whole life.

I have never not once seen an MTA employee cleaning a subway car. Not once.

You know how many people ride the subway every single day? Over 1.6 billion in total last year. You do the math on that.

I'm sure they can cover the costs for some barriers and to clean up those rat infested stations to protect its passengers.

They never do it while the car is in service.
I'm guessing you don't get on or live at the end of a line.
Mine is the Ditmars Blvd station in Astoria and you will see them there before the train heads back towards Manhattan and Brooklyn, but they get their "thorough" cleaning when they go back to the yard for maintenance which is usually daily.

M.k.
Knight165

[yankeesgiants]

Re: Woman Pushes Man in front of a train in NYC, 2nd time in a month

The MTA is always BSing about how they're in some deficit. Well if the suits weren't hoarding the money they make, they'd have more than enough money to upgrade every subway station and car 10 times over.

I don't buy that argument about costs.

I've lived in NY my whole life.

I have never not once seen an MTA employee cleaning a subway car. Not once.

You know how many people ride the subway every single day? Over 1.6 billion in total last year. You do the math on that.

I'm sure they can cover the costs for some barriers and to clean up those rat infested stations to protect its passengers.

Errect barriers and watch people lean on them to text. Within a year, a 400 pound fattie will fall through the barrier texting and sue for negligence. The easiest solution is to pay attention to your soroundings so you dont become a target. That doesn't cost you anything.

[z Revis]

Re: Woman Pushes Man in front of a train in NYC, 2nd time in a month

Errect barriers and watch people lean on them to text. Within a year, a 400 pound fattie will fall through the barrier texting and sue for negligence. The easiest solution is to pay attention to your soroundings so you dont become a target. That doesn't cost you anything.

I agree with this and the more times this type of tragedy happens, the more people are going to pay attention I would think. It is still a danger though.

I would still like them to do something to prevent it. If they can't build something (which I don't know if I fully buy the money issue, but I digress) then can they make it to where the trains aren't going nearly as fast when they pull up to a station? Or would that delay the commute too much?

[mattsb84]

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The MTA is always BSing about how they're in some deficit. Well if the suits weren't hoarding the money they make, they'd have more than enough money to upgrade every subway station and car 10 times over.

I don't buy that argument about costs.

I've lived in NY my whole life.

I have never not once seen an MTA employee cleaning a subway car. Not once.

You know how many people ride the subway every single day? Over 1.6 billion in total last year. You do the math on that.

I'm sure they can cover the costs for some barriers and to clean up those rat infested stations to protect its passengers.

Oh, I agree with you about the MTA mismanaging itself. Keep in mind though, they have to pay many many workers. Station attendants, conductors, cleaning crews, maintenance workers, etc. They have to pay utilities to run the trains/stations 24/7. Pay for upkeep of stations. Health care and pensions for their workers (many of which are probably over paid). And pet projects, line extensions, new cars...things that are not cheap. And that's just the subways..then you also have a huge bus system covering a much wider area.

However, I do agree that the cost to ride + number of daily riders should have the MTA in a surplus..IF they were managed properly. But even still, that money should be going back into more pressing projects, not safe barriers. Not when you consider 54 TOTAL deaths in 2012 (mostly suicides). Makes no sense what so ever (do the math on it), not when there are many more improvements that would be more beneficial.

[bigeastbumrush]

Re: Woman Pushes Man in front of a train in NYC, 2nd time in a month

They never do it while the car is in service.
I'm guessing you don't get on or live at the end of a line.
Mine is the Ditmars Blvd station in Astoria and you will see them there before the train heads back towards Manhattan and Brooklyn, but they get their "thorough" cleaning when they go back to the yard for maintenance which is usually daily.

M.k.
Knight165

Okay. So why are the only lines with the newer cars the 4, 5, 6 lines?
I lived in Astoria. Never noticed the cleaning before but I'll take your word for it.