Most "Alone" Superstar?

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[The JareBear]

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I disagree with AP. Surprised that so many people are saying so. Just because he is better than anyone else on his team doesn't make him truly alone. He isn't surrounded by hall of famers by any stretch of the imagination, and he is somewhat alone, but not compared to many other names already mentioned. He isn't even the most alone player at his position in his own sport, let alone compared to other players at his positon, or his sport, or other sports. If were just strictly talking NFL running backs I would put MJD and Chris Johnson ahead of him.

Kevin Williams is one of the best defensive tackles of this generation, Jared Allen is one of the few truly consistent pass rushers in the league, Henderson and Greenway have made pro bowls, he has played behind multiple pro-bowl offensive linemen, he plays with a pro bowl fullback Felton, Winfield went to multiple pro bowls, Kyle Rudolph would be a perennial pro-bowler with good QB, Darren Sharper, Favre, Percy Harvin, Sidney Rice, he has played with some talented dudes

The Vikings are just a total game-winner for the argument that in today's NFL you can't win without a QB. Put Peyton Manning on that team and they go 13-3.

The argument for Felix Hernandez is compelling hard to argue against him.

I liked the Tony Gwynn reference but I wouldn't put him anywhere near Carlton on all-time scale. If you look at certain points of his career, I would have to think that Dan Marino might qualify for consideration.

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I do see a flaw in my argument against AP, as I am using his careers worth of teammates instead of just who he plays with right now, but I stick with it. I don't think he is currently more alone than CJ2k and MJD

[ImTellinTim]

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I meant right now, lol.

I was thinking about Felix. He's got nobody. At least Wright has Harvey and Harvey has Wright. At least Stanton has Fernandez and Fernandez has Stanton.

Felix has been arguably the best pitcher in the league for what, the last four years? Guy has NOTHING around him.

And I was thinking about Peterson but Jared Allen is one of the best defensive players in the league so I don't know if he's *as* alone as some of the others suggested. Though, 2 guys out of 53 is nothing.

I don't consider Jared Allen to be one of the top defensive players in the league anymore. Especially considering his salary. He's lost a step or two. The Vikings have no chance to win games unless Peterson does ridiculous things against the stacked boxes he always has to run into. The defense also cannot get off the field to save their lives, which also cuts into his touches. The Vikings are wasting the best RB in the league.

To JareBear. We're talking today. Half those guys you mentioned either aren't on the team anymore or are on the downside of their careers.

[The JareBear]

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To me, if you are gonna say AP is the most alone guy than you also have to say Tom Brady is the most alone guy. It just isn't true. They both have lost some really important pieces around them but still are on the same team as talented, pro bowl level players.

[areobee401]

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Only thing keeping AP in the conversation is the lack of a halfway decent QB. He has had help on the offensive side of the ball in the past and has Jennings now. AP isn't even an option in my opinion.

[ImTellinTim]

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I believe Greg Jennings is vastly overrated. You can plug just about any receiver in at GB, call him the #1, and he'll put up the type of numbers he did there.

[The JareBear]

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On an all-time scale, there had to be points during Junior Seau's career in San Diego that he qualified. Other than Rodney Harrison (who I think is one of the most overrated players EVER, but people like him so I have to mention him even if I know he sucked and was only good at talking trash after lighting someone up after a 50 yard play. Nobody looked scary after giving up a huge play better than Rodney). There were some truly, truly atrocious Chargers teams during Jr's time there. I remember a season where he led the team in tackles, sacks, and INTs.

[LowerWolf]

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I'd say MJD is more alone than AP.

The Vikings did make the playoffs last season. Yes, AP was a big part of that, but one guy can't will a team to the playoffs. The Jags are just awful.

[areobee401]

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I believe Greg Jennings is vastly overrated. You can plug just about any receiver in at GB, call him the #1, and he'll put up the type of numbers he did there.

You've seen more NFC North games than me, so you could be right about Jennings. I still feel Jones Drew has far less help on both sides of the ball.

[ImTellinTim]

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The Vikings did make the playoffs last season. Yes, AP was a big part of that, but one guy can't will a team to the playoffs.

He pretty much did though with his play in the stretch run. Last year's Vikings team making the playoffs was a complete fluke brought about 100% by Adrian Peterson.

But you're right about the Jags. MJD is probably more alone than AP. And has been for more of his career too.

[The 24th Letter]

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I'd say MJD is more alone than AP.

The Vikings did make the playoffs last season. Yes, AP was a big part of that, but one guy can't will a team to the playoffs. The Jags are just awful.

Agreed here....I can hardly name 5 Jaguars right now....

[mgoblue]

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Agreed here....I can hardly name 5 Jaguars right now....

Totally....

I will admit that I wonder how MJD would be on another team....Like if he just puts up numbers cause he's all that the team has, but wouldn't be as good of a running back on a better team.

I could just see him switching teams and being a bust somehow, but I may be wrong. Running back in the NFL is so hard to judge.

[TheMatrix31]

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But is Drew as good right now as someone like Peterson is or someone like Felix is? He might be more alone but he's not super good anymore anyway. But I guess you can ask if he's no longer good because he's got no help around him.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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He's also coming up on that age where "the decline" for RBs starts to settle in. Personally, I think we've seen the best of MJD already.

I'm kinda surprised that in the "What have you done for me lately" sports society that we're in, MJD's name is getting brought up especially in regards as as "Superstar". I wouldn't consider him to be one...at least as of right now.

[slickdtc]

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This year MJD has sucked, but even up to his injury last year he was putting up numbers. Seems this year and the second half of last year, could be the beginning of the end.

I don't know if he was ever the best back, though. There's just a lot of really good players and backs.

Lundvquist for the Rangers was a good one. They had some good individual players (Gaborik, Callahan, Staal) but they relied so heavily on King Henrik. I think that's a big reason why they never got further then they did. They tried to make him Brodeur, but the rest of the team couldn't play like the old Devils. Speaking of which, Brodeur might fit in here. Some good ones passed through, though. No disrespect to Elias, Stevens, Holik, Danekyo, Arnott, Sykora. Those damn Devils.