Are Sports Video Games On Their Way Out?

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  • Hooe
    Hall Of Fame
    • Aug 2002
    • 21554

    #16
    Re: Are Sports Video Games On Their Way Out?

    Foreward: sorry for typing a book.

    In my opinion, it's not so much sports-gaming that has a problem as much as all of AAA gaming has a problem. Budgets are massive, and the development workflows are obtuse, slow, and inflexible.

    For a few examples, the budget for Bioshock Infinite was over $100 Million (rumored as high as $200M, but Irrational Games head Ken Levine refutes this without offering a specific number), and Tomb Raider 2013 sold over 4 million copies and was not considered a commercial success. Every publisher wants to fund the next Grand Theft Auto / Call of Duty / cultural phenomenon, and no one is making quality mid-level games.

    The landscape of video game development is increasingly becoming more polar between AAA studios and indie studios, with no middle ground. This trend isn't going to slow down or reverse until either production costs for making boxed console games come way down or until shops decide that mid-level titles are worth the effort. Tools will help this to some extent - I'm very excited about how strong of a foothold Unity is getting in the console game development space, having worked with it for three years now - but there is going to have to be an attitude shift in the game-making business in order to maintain and grow the middle tiers of the industry.

    As this applies to sports games, I have no doubt that the budgets for the biggest games - Madden, FIFA, and NBA 2K - are gigantic (though EA Sports is making efforts to reduce costs with their shared Ignite tech, it looks like). Add in to all the above list of concerns league licensing costs, which (likely) are becoming more extravagant with each passing negotiation and undoubtedly has a hand in killing off a number of the franchises we have lost over the years. Of the games that remain, they've got to make money somehow, thus the inclusion of Ultimate Team modes (which have been widely successful and I have no problem with in isolation) and more disturbingly the platform-wide pervasive virtual currency implementation included in NBA 2K14 on Gen8 consoles (which I do have a huge problem with).

    I think that sports games could strongly consider the games-as-a-service method of content delivery. Players would subscribe to the game for a nominal monthly fee (say, $5 a month / $60 a year), download the client, and then have access to the game. The game would update regularly with roster updates, uniform updates, stadium updates, and so on being fed constantly from the servers. Gameplay updates could roll out monthly / bimonthly, tweaking old mechanics and introducing new ones. Draft classes could be downloaded immediately after the real-life draft occurs and the players enroll in their respective unions, then used in career modes (which could be carried over from year-to-year because the client doesn't ever make sweeping changes to the file format).

    Though a tad bit apples-and-oranges, I look at the widely-popular League of Legends as an example - it's firmly positioned as THE game of the E-Sports scene, and it follows nearly the exact model I describe above (with respect to content distribution), and boasts 32 million active players as of October 2012. It also has a very strong competitive gaming infrastructure.

    I'm obviously no businessman nor an economist, but IMO if this repositioning of sports games as more of a games-as-a-service E-Sports game (keeping the single-player component available, of course) were executed correctly, I think that this model could be much more palatable to consumers of sports games, cut distribution costs for publishers, cut development costs for studios, and ultimately make everyone more money and more happy.

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    • Redacted01
      Hall Of Fame
      • Aug 2007
      • 10316

      #17
      Re: Are Sports Video Games On Their Way Out?

      I haven't gotten a new game since The Show 12, and that series is the only one I'd ever get new ones of. Most of the sports series seem too infatuated with looks now rather than then playing realistically, at least to me. I put so many hours into NCAA 11 trying to get some realistic games and they always had problems and exploits vs. the computer, and online is a cheese fest unless you have a group of people available to play when you want that you can trust.

      They all won't die, but wouldn't surprise me if several more series kick the bucket.

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      • 23
        yellow
        • Sep 2002
        • 66469

        #18
        Re: Are Sports Video Games On Their Way Out?

        I'll write more later but it's not just sports games. They just take a bigger hit because of yearly cycles

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        • Knight165
          *ll St*r
          • Feb 2003
          • 24964

          #19
          Re: Are Sports Video Games On Their Way Out?

          CM....I could definitely see this happening and I would totally be on board with this.

          The core of yearly releases are not changing that much....but the cost to gaming companies to re-issue complete "new" games each year is getting staggering as you have stated. Not having to release an entirely new product each year would free up some new revenue and IMO would probably enhance the creativity and features offered via online updates.
          I also believe that the new enhancements would be more frequent if devs weren't tied to a line in the sand deadline each year.
          An artist has some time?....maybe he makes an updated version of a player whose appearance has changed.....A lot of time?....maybe he makes a classic stadium for release.......they could probably churn out some equipment packs and things of that nature.
          I'm not sure how feasible it is when an entirely new mode or feature would be added....but it's gotta be somewhat on the radar of some companies.

          M.K.
          Knight165
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          • 23
            yellow
            • Sep 2002
            • 66469

            #20
            Re: Are Sports Video Games On Their Way Out?

            I've often thought about that Knight for sports games during last g3n mostly and I wonder how people would take it honestly.

            Not sure how you transfer that kind of stuff without releasing a ton of patches which is costly as well

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            • jb12780
              Hall of Fame
              • Oct 2008
              • 10665

              #21
              Re: Are Sports Video Games On Their Way Out?

              I hope not because I primarily play sports games and have been playing sports games since I was 5.

              I just wish there was less emphasis on online gaming.

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              • fistofrage
                Hall Of Fame
                • Aug 2002
                • 13682

                #22
                Re: Are Sports Video Games On Their Way Out?

                For years going back to super nintendo, my console was only used for sports games, mainly NCAA football, NCAA Basketball, and boxing. Didn't play any other games at all. NCAA football has had the DB glitch for the last 2 years so I don't even own that any more and they won't be producing that anymore. NCAA basketball has been dead for a few years, and I don't know if a boxing game will ever be produced again. Aditionally, everything seems to be made for the online gamer.

                Madden always has a couple things wrong with it that prevent me from buying it and enjoying it so I no longer have any viable football options.

                So while sports games may never be on their way out, they squeezed me right out of the market.
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                • mgoblue
                  Go Wings!
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 25477

                  #23
                  Re: Are Sports Video Games On Their Way Out?

                  Originally posted by Knight165
                  CM....I could definitely see this happening and I would totally be on board with this.

                  The core of yearly releases are not changing that much....but the cost to gaming companies to re-issue complete "new" games each year is getting staggering as you have stated. Not having to release an entirely new product each year would free up some new revenue and IMO would probably enhance the creativity and features offered via online updates.
                  I also believe that the new enhancements would be more frequent if devs weren't tied to a line in the sand deadline each year.
                  An artist has some time?....maybe he makes an updated version of a player whose appearance has changed.....A lot of time?....maybe he makes a classic stadium for release.......they could probably churn out some equipment packs and things of that nature.
                  I'm not sure how feasible it is when an entirely new mode or feature would be added....but it's gotta be somewhat on the radar of some companies.

                  M.K.
                  Knight165
                  I would be on board with this...
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                  • dingleberryfinn
                    Banned
                    • May 2010
                    • 1736

                    #24
                    Re: Are Sports Video Games On Their Way Out?

                    I don't wanna live in a world without sports video games.
                    If such a time comes to fruition, OS has permission to put me out of my misery.

                    On the other hand, I think I could get by another 50 years without any new
                    games as long as I still had the Show 10, 11, 12 & 13.

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                    • KG
                      Welcome Back
                      • Sep 2005
                      • 17583

                      #25
                      Re: Are Sports Video Games On Their Way Out?

                      Originally posted by dingleberryfinn
                      I don't wanna live in a world without sports video games.

                      If such a time comes to fruition, OS has permission to put me out of my misery.



                      On the other hand, I think I could get by another 50 years without any new

                      games as long as I still had the Show 10, 11, 12 & 13.

                      There's no way that sports games will ever disappear. Sports are too big of a money generator for that too happen.


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                      • J-Clutch1
                        MVP
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 2448

                        #26
                        Re: Are Sports Video Games On Their Way Out?

                        FIFA still sells millions worldwide.

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