Ebola

[TheMatrix31]

Re: Ebola

Is she an employee of the government?

Does the science also say that you're only contagious if/when you show symptoms?

She was a member of the CDC.

And yes, the science does say you're only contagious if/when you show symptoms, which is why she and others (like California, which just announced a mandatory 21-day period as well) who go to those countries have to go under quarantine too. To make sure those symptoms *don't* show up and if they do, to take care of it without having risked exposing themselves to others.

It's not about panic or being "anti-science" which is a popular (and ironic, in this case) refrain nowadays. It's about measures that are needed. Yeah it sucks but you know what would suck more? Those who came back ending up developing symptoms and giving them to a family member or a friend. If we're not going to issue visa or travel bans, then we at the very least have to institute quarantines for people who are coming from there especially in a health worker capacity. What lighter measures are there supposed to be? "Self-monitoring" like that ******* doctor?

[Crimsontide27]

Re: Ebola

Do you guys hear yourselves?

"Lack of foresight or caring" to describe the people willing to put their lives at risk to save others lives? The work these people do will go a lot farther to stopping an epidemic than any of the quarantining many of you want. Criticize the idiot doctor hoping on subways and in cabs AFTER showing symptoms all you want. But in general, I think these people deserve a little more respect.

I completely disagree. These doctors volunteer and choose to go into these areas where they know there is a massive risk and are compensated very well to do so.

They are aware of the dangers presented and choose to put their selves at risk. While what they may be doing is for the greater good, that doesn't excuse their stupidity in returning home.

I put my life on the line everyday for 19 months in Iraq, but that doesn't mean when I came home that I should demand everyone to respect me, nor should I expect it.

No one really knows what is going on with Ebola and we get a different answer just about every time you turn on the news. Simply expecting someone to avoid others for 21 days in order to limit the chances of an epidemic spreading should not be too much to ask.

I gained a lot of respect for Mexico and Belize a few weeks back. When they heard there was a passenger on a ship that had possible exposure to Ebola, they refused entry into their entire country. That cruise ship sat in the middle of the ocean the entire time, no if, ands, or buts about it......complete refusal to enter their countries.

This is a very serious matter and one that not even the medical profession has a firm grasp on. Our country, even though it has the best medical facilities in the world, doesn't even have the facilities to handle the spread of this disease.

This woman should sit in her house and shut the hell up. She has zero respect from me.

[Candyman5]

Re: Ebola

Apparently that woman in Maine is refusing the quarantine. She left and went to her house and there are authorities outside her home. They are going to a judge to get a warrant to forcefully take her.

[Fresh Tendrils]

Re: Ebola

So, you guys want to be lumped in Mexico and Belize? That's cool.

However, considering we're literally in everyone's ****, the least we could do would be to help with our resources since we are more medically and technologically advanced than most of the of the world - including Mexico and Belize. Isolating ourselves like Australia, Mexico, and Belize isn't an option with our self-appointed power over the world.

Its easy as hell to armchair this thing when most people have no idea about it, but considering all those who have helped with this disease and have not been infected I'd still venture to say that they know more about its spread and contagion than us. I seriously doubt most of us would allow ourselves to be voluntarily "quarantined" by anyone - much less the big, bad government - when we show no symptoms of infection. Once you start allowing the government to forcibly contain someone based on a "better safe than sorry" stance then good luck stopping that mud slide.

[kehlis]

Re: Ebola

Apparently that woman in Maine is refusing the quarantine. She left and went to her house and there are authorities outside her home. They are going to a judge to get a warrant to forcefully take her.

Not really true.

She quarantined herself at her home but is vowing to leave her house and live her life because she is symptom free.

The court order they are seeking is to keep her in her house in quarantine.

[SuperBowlNachos]

Re: Ebola

If she is a member of the CDC I'm surprised she didn't have to sign away her life when it comes to be quarantined after working with a dangerous virus.

[aholbert32]

Re: Ebola

And if they've been facing it day-in, day-out like these people have, then they should know above everybody else the dangers and horrors of it and should have no qualms whatsoever about submitting to a 21-day quarantine upon arrival.

Simple as that.

Nobody is going to say, "Oh, well, I was going to go help them but now that I know that I'll be kept for 21 days **** it, I'm not gonna go." That's just asinine.

Everyone the last few days has been using this "science" buzzword. Wanna know the science? If you're exposed to the disease and show no symptoms 21 days after your last exposure, you're good. You'd think this Kaci Hickox person would understand this, given that she's a doctor herself. Guess not. She'd rather be a whiner and talk about her rights being violated and turning everything into something about her. Gee, how humanitarian.

Not to mention that if soldiers have to have a mandatory 21 day quarantine, then this Kaci Hickox person should just shut up and do it. http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/29/politi...la-quarantine/

Really? Its not like these people are paid well for going over there. For many its flat out volunteer work. So what you are saying to them is "You can go over there for minimal pay, help seriously ill people, risk catching a deadly disease......and then we are going to keep you in a tent for 21 days on the off chance you may have Ebola." I'm not sure a lot of people are going to be saying "where do I sign up?!!"

Its already a thankless job before the quarantine and you are now asking for more from those volunteers than before. I'm Ok with a middle ground such as home quarantine if the demand is that high for these measures.

And we are now officially a week since the NY Ebola doctor was discovered and we are still at 4 people. What's funny is Ive been asking this question for over a week and NO ONE has responded to it. So I'll try it again:

Why are we OK with quarantines and travel bans for Ebola but there was no public demand for those things in 2009 with the H1N1 virus?

We were OK with a airborne disease that killed 12k people in the US but we are taking extreme measures for a disease that isnt airborne and has killed 1? I just dont understand that part at all.

[Fresh Tendrils]

Re: Ebola

Answer: Social Media.

[aholbert32]

Re: Ebola

She was a member of the CDC.

And yes, the science does say you're only contagious if/when you show symptoms, which is why she and others (like California, which just announced a mandatory 21-day period as well) who go to those countries have to go under quarantine too. To make sure those symptoms *don't* show up and if they do, to take care of it without having risked exposing themselves to others.

It's not about panic or being "anti-science" which is a popular (and ironic, in this case) refrain nowadays. It's about measures that are needed. Yeah it sucks but you know what would suck more? Those who came back ending up developing symptoms and giving them to a family member or a friend. If we're not going to issue visa or travel bans, then we at the very least have to institute quarantines for people who are coming from there especially in a health worker capacity. What lighter measures are there supposed to be? "Self-monitoring" like that ******* doctor?

How come those measures werent needed with other more easily transmitted and deadly viruses?

[aholbert32]

Re: Ebola

Answer: Social Media.

Thank you. So the demand is higher because news travels faster through social media. Is that a good thing though? ****, half of the stuff I read on Twitter is either somewhat factually incorrect or flat out wrong.

I swear the reason for a lot of this panic is 1) Political (which I wont get into because its against the TOS) 2) Press driven because the big 3 news networks have seen ratings spike since this Ebola "crisis" started and 3) Location based because people seem to be more afraid of diseases that originate from Africa than other areas for some reason.

[Phobia]

Re: Ebola

What gets me is the fear being created from this. ONE single person has died in our country from it, 7 have been cured or on the way to being cured. 12,000 people died in our country alone from swine flu and I never remember hearing all this fear induced panic, ex. Quarantine everyone who comes in the vicinity of the disease?

For instance I'll use another AIDS reference, just for frame of reference(I know yall hate this reference, but it is a deadly disease that kills the younger demo also). 1.1 MILLION people in the US have HIV.

today, more than 1.1 million people are living with HIV.

In 2010, HIV was the 7th leading cause of death for those ages 25-44

So if you are a single women or man you should be giving blood test to everyone before you sleep with them. Don't say something about "protective sex" either because judging by the fear of wanting to quarantine everyone, a condom is far from a solution. Yet I bring this random fact up because you don't hear nearly the amount of panic about the likely hood you could contract HIV.

Now lets go one step further. The swine flu was passed much easier, it was passed airborne much the same way the stand flu is passed. Yet the panic was never this high for H1N1.

(CDC) estimated that about 59 million Americans contracted the H1N1 virus, 265,000 were hospitalized as a result, and 12,000 died.

Which I guess because it is NOT in the main stream media day in and day out people don't worry or know about it but the H1N1 virus has continued to kill people since 2009 and has not been removed from our country. Hell this year alone H1N1 has killed roughly 250 people in the US and no one is saying quarantine everyone who treats these people. It is not just the old either, it is killing young healthy people no different than ebola. In reality it has caused far more damage to this country than ebola ever has. Now, I can make one prediction, throw this on the news instead and people will be freaking out about H1N1 again.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/death-toll-from-flu-rises-as-h1n1-strain-returnswith-young-invincibles-most-affected/2014/02/19/71f539f4-98b0-11e3-b931-0204122c514b_story.html

[Fresh Tendrils]

Re: Ebola

Thank you. So the demand is higher because news travels faster through social media. Is that a good thing though? ****, half of the stuff I read on Twitter is either somewhat factually incorrect or flat out wrong.

Its good and bad to be honest. Its great to have a streamlined way to communicate with a large group and to basically have the thoughts and opinions of millions of people at hand. On the flip side, it can lead to a mob mentality and is an easier way to watch dog and manipulate the population. To me it has made the internet a smaller place as the same group speak topics are regurgitated over different places. Not to mention most of the time a large number of people directly or indirectly spread false information to change perception and the mob's opinion.

News doesn't report facts. It gives us stories. With bias. Everything is an emotionally fueled reaction that is based on nothing other than feelings. How often has the total number of American deaths due to Ebola been reported and reiterated? It seems like they're generating hysteria for ratings and running sideshows like what we're currently seeing. Fun. [/quote]

I swear the reason for a lot of this panic is 1) Political (which I wont get into because its against the TOS) 2) Press driven because the big 3 news networks have seen ratings spike since this Ebola "crisis" started and 3) Location based because people seem to be more afraid of diseases that originate from Africa than other areas for some reason.

My big thing with News "Events" like this (and honestly I akin them more to "Sweeps Weeks" from the old sitcom days) is what the **** is going on while us simple folk are losing our minds over Ebola, Ferguson, Invisible Children, etc? That concerns me more than Ebola coming to town.

#3 is pretty simple. Since day 1 of history class its all European centric and biased. Very little, if any, is shown of Africa or its heritage other than being a market for slavers. Nothing is ever taught about the African explorers or its early fertile civilizations. ****, most Americans probably think of one of three things when they think of Africa: lions/Sahara Desert, the little dancing kid meme, and Ebola. Again, its not knowing that drives a fear.

[slickdtc]

Ebola

Ebola is just the flavor of the month. I'm sure there's plenty of important events going on that have been conveniently passed over because OMG EBOLA!!1!! I'd love to see what bills with shady attachments have been passed in the last month or whatever actual facts people should know have been lost in the Ebola craze.

It's crazy because like you said, H1N1 was way more common (probably more deadly too). There was some hysteria over it as I recall, then it went away. But it didn't actually go away. The same will be for Ebola.

Anyone who does a little digging can see through the smoke screen. But the majority of the population are sheep beholden to their network news.

Makes OS so great because on the whole we aren't a good sample of the mass population. You can come here and discuss stuff without having the latest news report read back in your face. I wanna know what's really going on, not what's gonna garner views or create a buzz.

[Crimsontide27]

Re: Ebola

#3 is pretty simple. Since day 1 of history class its all European centric and biased. Very little, if any, is shown of Africa or its heritage other than being a market for slavers. Nothing is ever taught about the African explorers or its early fertile civilizations. ****, most Americans probably think of one of three things when they think of Africa: lions/Sahara Desert, the little dancing kid meme, and Ebola. Again, its not knowing that drives a fear.

Seriously??

Have you been to Africa? The Egyptian people have never been left out of history and are considered to be one of , it not the, most advanced in math, science and culture of all early civilizations.

And for a majority of the rest of Africa, the notion of"Lions and Sahara Desert, Dancing kid meme, and Ebola" ( Insert any one of many diseases) is pretty accurate.

[Fresh Tendrils]

Re: Ebola

Seriously??

Have you been to Africa? The Egyptian people have never been left out of history and are considered to be one of , it not the, most advanced in math, science and culture of all early civilizations.

And for a majority of the rest of Africa, the notion of"Lions and Sahara Desert, Dancing kid meme, and Ebola" ( Insert any one of many diseases) is pretty accurate.

Are we talking grade school or college history curriculum because I don't ever remember hearing about Egypt before college. Even then it was pretty minimal. In elementary through high-school it was always the same. Same set of explorers (small mention of Vikings, but no mention of the Egyptian explorers), same European based focus, same timeline with little variance.