Ebola

[wwharton]

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Not sure if this is the same one, but here's a great one I came across:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...-virus-health/

Yup that's the one.

Here's another I stumbled across today about Australia blocking people from infested areas.

http://news.yahoo.com/australia-issues-blanket-visa-ban-ebola-hit-countries-022047232.html

This quote summarizes my thoughts on the practice...

"All it does is insure that already exceedingly vulnerable people are trapped in a crisis area and sends a signal about Australia's commitment to actually dealing with this crisis in a responsible way as a member of the international community."

[Crimsontide27]

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I am already sick of hearing this woman complain about being quarantined.

There is so much misinformation going on about Ebola and the ways to contract it that no one knows what to believe. These people made a choice to go into an infected area, they made a choice to work with these patients, they made a choice to risk getting infected themselves.

I for damn sure didn't make any of those choices and I don't want their lack of foresight or caring to infringe on my freedom to stay away from that disease.

People keep saying its just "body fluids" transfer and that it would be hard to transfer. Just going out to dinner and eating leaves body fluids and saliva all over a plate...that the server then has to handle their silverware that's been in their mouth...to just then give to a dishwasher etc. Even something as simple and routine as getting a bite to eat risks exposure to this deadly disease according to everything we are hearing.

[TheMatrix31]

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This chick keeps whining about her supposedly-awful living conditions and how she's being "violated" and "humiliated" and all this other crap and she's trying to drum up sympathy and public support but it's not going to work because the vast majority of the country is saying, "no thanks, we don't want to take the chance that you might have something. Now stay away for 21 days and shut up."

Cry me a river, lady.

[Clemsonpanther]

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There are 5 kinds of ebola, 1 infected 1 person, 1 does not kill you or give symptoms you just develop antibodies, 1 happened in 1 outbreak in uganda 2 years ago, and then your main 2 are zaire and sudan ebola. Im doing a paper on ebola. Hit me up w anything else u want to know. Ebola can also be contracted by monkeys from the phillipenes. The same distributor had this happen like 5 times it was insane. And no, i actually use proper grammar in my papers im just on my phone and ok with my typing.

[shugknight]

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I sure hope that they do a witch hunt for that lady in Maine. I don't care who the F you are and what you know.

But if you are in the risk of contracting Ebola, then you need to stay away from the public.

[Fresh Tendrils]

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I just hope my personal life and decisions are never put under the national microscope of the mass media and internet medical experts and fanatics. When we start listening to our panic stricken minds instead of science, facts, and logical reason nothing good comes from it.

[wwharton]

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I am already sick of hearing this woman complain about being quarantined.

There is so much misinformation going on about Ebola and the ways to contract it that no one knows what to believe. These people made a choice to go into an infected area, they made a choice to work with these patients, they made a choice to risk getting infected themselves.

I for damn sure didn't make any of those choices and I don't want their lack of foresight or caring to infringe on my freedom to stay away from that disease.

People keep saying its just "body fluids" transfer and that it would be hard to transfer. Just going out to dinner and eating leaves body fluids and saliva all over a plate...that the server then has to handle their silverware that's been in their mouth...to just then give to a dishwasher etc. Even something as simple and routine as getting a bite to eat risks exposure to this deadly disease according to everything we are hearing.

Do you guys hear yourselves?

"Lack of foresight or caring" to describe the people willing to put their lives at risk to save others lives? The work these people do will go a lot farther to stopping an epidemic than any of the quarantining many of you want. Criticize the idiot doctor hoping on subways and in cabs AFTER showing symptoms all you want. But in general, I think these people deserve a little more respect.

[cavsfan2]

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I agree that it is slightly unfair to attack them, but given the fact that they were exposed to this disease and saw what it can do, it's slightly confusing why they would react so vehemently to a measure that could possibly prevent it from spreading here. I mean, of course most of them don't think that they have it, but neither did that doctor and look at what that moron did.

[wwharton]

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I agree that it is slightly unfair to attack them, but given the fact that they were exposed to this disease and saw what it can do, it's slightly confusing why they would react so vehemently to a measure that could possibly prevent it from spreading here. I mean, of course most of them don't think that they have it, but neither did that doctor and look at what that moron did.

The doctor had a fever when he decided to go out around town... and it really hasn't amounted to anyone else being infected.

Despite the arrogance someone like that doctor showed, these people know more about the virus and how it spreads than anyone. If they don't have any symptoms I can't blame them for being mad about basically being thrown in jail for almost a month as consequence for trying to save the world.

Does this train of thought mean that doctors treating those in the US should also be locked up for 21 days AFTER they finish treating? That would mean they should be WHILE they're treating also, right? These people are heroes in my book as it is, so who in their right mind would sign up for that? These are the people keeping it from spreading.

[Phobia]

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Fantastic point Wharton! Its easy to play doctor and "virus expert" over the internet but a entirely different thing to be facing it day in and day out, like these people have.

Little CNN article posted today.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/29/health/ebola-us-recovery/

[TheMatrix31]

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And if they've been facing it day-in, day-out like these people have, then they should know above everybody else the dangers and horrors of it and should have no qualms whatsoever about submitting to a 21-day quarantine upon arrival.

Simple as that.

Nobody is going to say, "Oh, well, I was going to go help them but now that I know that I'll be kept for 21 days **** it, I'm not gonna go." That's just asinine.

Everyone the last few days has been using this "science" buzzword. Wanna know the science? If you're exposed to the disease and show no symptoms 21 days after your last exposure, you're good. You'd think this Kaci Hickox person would understand this, given that she's a doctor herself. Guess not. She'd rather be a whiner and talk about her rights being violated and turning everything into something about her. Gee, how humanitarian.

Not to mention that if soldiers have to have a mandatory 21 day quarantine, then this Kaci Hickox person should just shut up and do it. http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/29/politi...la-quarantine/

[Fresh Tendrils]

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Is she an employee of the government?

Does the science also say that you're only contagious if/when you show symptoms?

[Phobia]

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And if they've been facing it day-in, day-out like these people have, then they should know above everybody else the dangers and horrors of it and should have no qualms whatsoever about submitting to a 21-day quarantine upon arrival.

Simple as that.

Nobody is going to say, "Oh, well, I was going to go help them but now that I know that I'll be kept for 21 days **** it, I'm not gonna go." That's just asinine.

Everyone the last few days has been using this "science" buzzword. Wanna know the science? If you're exposed to the disease and show no symptoms 21 days after your last exposure, you're good. You'd think this Kaci Hickox person would understand this, given that she's a doctor herself. Guess not. She'd rather be a whiner and talk about her rights being violated and turning everything into something about her. Gee, how humanitarian.

Not to mention that if soldiers have to have a mandatory 21 day quarantine, then this Kaci Hickox person should just shut up and do it. http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/29/politi...la-quarantine/

Where would we get all these extra nurses and medical staff members?? 70 staff members treated Duncan, if you quarantine these people for a month where is the extra staff. Then you lose more staff members because they treated someone else and now they are quarantine. The cycle continues, you can't quarantine every person that comes in the area of the disease. Just with the 4 hospitals that have treated people here in the US, you are looking at hundreds now unable to help others.

Kaci Hickox is 1 of hundreds that have treated people with the virus or been in the same vicinity of it. Do we now quarantine everyone that was on the planes or the subways? I mean when does it go to far.

[wwharton]

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It's easy to say that someone else should be happy with coming back to their 1st world country but instead of going home, be locked up with little resources and no exposure to the outside world for almost a month. I think we'd find less volunteers than you think.

And that doesn't address the ones doing work here. Should they volunteer to being away from all friends and family and the outside world while they fight this virus and then 21 days after they stop? I just think it's all pretty short sighted. We can talk about the stupid doctor who had the fever, and we can even say the nurse you're talking about (Hickox) is going overboard with her protest. But at the end of the day, there need to be better ideas.

Soldiers have said in similar situations there would be one location that everyone is brought to so only the people there are trained to deal with it and face any kind of exposure. This is global so that's pretty much impossible, and even entertaining it would mean transporting people around the country (donating a private jet?). The "quarantine facilities" could also be greatly approved with certain buildings specifically for that, but who's funding that? For a virus that is temporary based on any research on similar situations in the past, don't see it happening.

I don't mean to discount the paranoia (can't think of another word but using this one isn't a knock) many feel, I think that's a completely different topic that I don't want to be a part of. People have a right to feel however they do about this. I work in an office behind a desk, not dealing with a lot of random people, so naturally my "fear" would be different than say Knight's. But no matter what side of the fence you are on, I think we should all thank anyone willing to "run into the fire" and the brainstorming should be about keeping everyone (the world, not just the US) safe without ostracizing those who have either contracted the virus or those volunteering to rid the world of it.

[wwharton]

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Does the science also say that you're only contagious if/when you show symptoms?

Currently, that is what they are saying.