Ebola

[Knight165]

Re: Ebola

The media is blowing this way out of proportion. The flu kills more people than this.

This is misleading.
As of now...the Ebola virus has been in countries and areas with low population density and a small travel spread.
Bring that into a city in the U.S. with no vaccinations for and little treatment(and no cure).....and a much higher density of population and chance for quick travel......and this would be moot.

...and from the CDC's own website...

What are body fluids?

Ebola has been detected in blood and many body fluids. Body fluids include saliva, mucus, vomit, feces, sweat, tears, breast milk, urine, and semen.

Can Ebola spread by coughing? By sneezing?

Unlike respiratory illnesses like measles or chickenpox, which can be transmitted by virus particles that remain suspended in the air after an infected person coughs or sneezes, Ebola is transmitted by direct contact with body fluids of a person who has symptoms of Ebola disease. Although coughing and sneezing are not common symptoms of Ebola, if a symptomatic patient with Ebola coughs or sneezes on someone, and saliva or mucus come into contact with that person’s eyes, nose or mouth, these fluids may transmit the disease.


But this is the part that would scare me a bit....
How long does Ebola live outside the body?

Ebola is killed with hospital-grade disinfectants (such as household bleach). Ebola on dried on surfaces such as doorknobs and countertops can survive for several hours; however, virus in body fluids (such as blood) can survive up to several days at room temperature.

Wikipedia?....CDC?....Wikipedia...CDC?....yeah can't be transmitted through the air through cough or sneeze....Wiki is never wrong!

It's never a big problem until it's a big problem.

M.K.
Knight165

[TheMatrix31]

Re: Ebola

Yeah, the reason more people in the US die from some things way more than ebola is that ebola wasn't here up until a couple days ago.

Bring it here and we'll see what happens.

Listen, despite my OCD, Purell-loving nature, I never get freaked out by epidemics that seem to fly around. Swine flu? SARS? Who cares. I have no faith that those who are supposed to be controlling this type of thing will actually be able to. Since I have no faith in that, my concern-level is high. We don't seem to know that much about ebola and from what it seems, the virus has abilities to mutate and evolve greatly. Let's treat it as if everyone will die if we don't. I don't see the harm in that. Put suits on people cleaning **** up, don't allow travel to and from places already afflicted, if you think you came in contact with someone get your *** in quarantine. Just take all the precautions. What's the damn harm?

Better to be safe.

[bigbob]

Re: Ebola

80 students at Penn State are currently being watched for Ebola-like symptoms.

[Bobhead]

Re: Ebola

80 students at Penn State are currently being watched for Ebola-like symptoms.

because all 80 of those students just got back from Africa, and Penn State is being precautionary.

Let's not be misleading please?

http://lancasteronline.com/news/local/ebola-in-happy-valley-penn-state-says-students-at-risk/article_c8d2b1a6-4bdf-11e4-971a-001a4bcf6878.html

[SPTO]

Re: Ebola

because all 80 of those students just got back from Africa, and Penn State is being precautionary.

Can we stop with this fear mongering please?

I didn't find what he said to be fear mongering at all. He just stated a fact. There was no embellishment at all.

[slickdtc]

Re: Ebola

But suddenly when it's put in to context, it makes sense.

Given that that's within a day's drive of me, my first thought was: oh ****. When I read the next post, it was more like: good job on being proactive PSU. We should be fine.

Bigbob isn't fear mongering, but when there's more to the story then what's being posted/said, it's misleading.

[Bobhead]

Re: Ebola

I didn't find what he said to be fear mongering at all. He just stated a fact. There was no embellishment at all.

Spreading misinformation on a matter as serious as this is reckless, whether intentional or not. And I said "WE" for a reason. it was not directed just at Bigbob, more just a generality, as I feel like a lot of people are overreacting or running with random things they hear instead of fact checking. But whatever, my apologies, and I edited the post to make it less... accusing?

But suddenly when it's put in to context, it makes sense.

Given that that's within a day's drive of me, my first thought was: oh ****. When I read the next post, it was more like: good job on being proactive PSU. We should be fine.

Bigbob isn't fear mongering, but when there's more to the story then what's being posted/said, it's misleading.

Assumptions and connotations aren't a secret. We know they exist. If I call the police and say someone has a gun pointed at me, then they show up and see a Nerf water gun pointed at my leg, I think there are going to be a few problems.

Did I lie to the police? No, but it's clear that different phrases and statements incite different thoughts and interpretations.

So before a person brings his rap demo CD into the airport and tells people he is about to blow up, he might want to stop and think about how other people will interpret his statements. We're all adults here. Take responsibility for what you say.

[bigbob]

Re: Ebola

Where did I pass along any misinformation?

" Penn State is monitoring roughly 80 international students who have traveled to areas close to the Ebola outbreak in West Africa for signs of the deadly virus.

According to a report Sept. 19 by*WJAC news in Johnstown, university officials said the students are spread among all of Penn State's many campuses. All of the students who may have been infected are being watched for symptoms, officials said, although experts have said the likelihood that they'll become sick with the virus is very low."

I passed along facts.

80 Penn State students are being watched for Ebola-like symptoms.

Fact.

[Knight165]

Re: Ebola

Spreading misinformation on a matter as serious as this is reckless, whether intentional or not. And I said "WE" for a reason. it was not directed just at Bigbob, more just a generality, as I feel like a lot of people are overreacting or running with random things they hear instead of fact checking. But whatever, my apologies, and I edited the post to make it less... accusing?




Assumptions and connotations aren't a secret. We know they exist. If I call the police and say someone has a gun pointed at me, then they show up and see a Nerf water gun pointed at my leg, I think there are going to be a few problems.

Did I lie to the police? No, but it's clear that different phrases and statements incite different thoughts and interpretations.

So before a person brings his rap demo CD into the airport and tells people he is about to blow up, he might want to stop and think about how other people will interpret his statements. We're all adults here. Take responsibility for what you say.

So you are comparing the ebola virus ...with no known cure and a 70%+(that's being generous I would say as well....it's 90% in Africa) mortality rate to a nerf gun?
Compared to what?.....an atomic weapon?
Really poor analogy.

Now....a few other things.
Bobhead....what kind of work do you do?...and where do you do it?
Is it something that doesn't put you "hands on" with a lot of strangers who are immigrants? I'm guessing not.

But here are some facts.
-No cure
-Highly communicable through bodily fluids(direct or through surfaces(limited...but possible) AND according to the CDC...through coughing and sneezing if transmitted to a mucous membrane.
-Very high mortality rate
-2 to 20 days for symptoms to show.....plenty of time to go home...kiss the wife and kids before anything even might show amiss.(this would be mine and a lot of people's worst nightmare)

...and I'm sorry...but you'll have to excuse me if I'm a little leery of "people" saying "everything is okay". I seem to remember hearing "not a problem" a LOT about 13 years ago and in the last two years I've been to nearly 20 cancer related deaths of men aging from late 30's to early 50's. Three in just one day a couple of weeks ago.

I don't see any fear mongering here or in the press....just concern.
I'm not sure what is bothering you so much about this.

....lastly....the patient who went to the emergency room in Texas is now in critical condition.
Sounds like they got a handle on it though.

M.K.
Knight165

[daflyboys]

Re: Ebola

Where did I pass along any misinformation?

" Penn State is monitoring roughly 80 international students who have traveled to areas close to the Ebola outbreak in West Africa for signs of the deadly virus.

According to a report Sept. 19 by*WJAC news in Johnstown, university officials said the students are spread among all of Penn State's many campuses. All of the students who may have been infected are being watched for symptoms, officials said, although experts have said the likelihood that they'll become sick with the virus is very low."

I passed along facts.

80 Penn State students are being watched for Ebola-like symptoms.

Fact.

Because the statement, "80 Penn State students are being watched for Ebola-like symptoms" can be taken either as they already have the symptoms and are being watched or they are being watched to see if they develop/display them.

Internet conversations. Don't ya just love them?

[Knight165]

Re: Ebola

Because the statement, "80 Penn State students are being watched for Ebola-like symptoms" can be taken either as they already have the symptoms and are being watched or they are being watched to see if they develop/display them.

Internet conversations. Don't ya just love them?

Yeah...but who's fault would that be?
The headlines...the actual article...or the readers?

M.K.
Knight165

[Bobhead]

Re: Ebola

So you are comparing the ebola virus ...with no known cure and a 70%+(that's being generous I would say as well....it's 90% in Africa) mortality rate to a nerf gun?
Compared to what?.....an atomic weapon?
Really poor analogy.

Now....a few other things.
Bobhead....what kind of work do you do?...and where do you do it?
Is it something that doesn't put you "hands on" with a lot of strangers who are immigrants? I'm guessing not.

But here are some facts.
-No cure
-Highly communicable through bodily fluids(direct or through surfaces(limited...but possible) AND according to the CDC...through coughing and sneezing if transmitted to a mucous membrane.
-Very high mortality rate
-2 to 20 days for symptoms to show.....plenty of time to go home...kiss the wife and kids before anything even might show amiss.(this would be mine and a lot of people's worst nightmare)

...and I'm sorry...but you'll have to excuse me if I'm a little leery of "people" saying "everything is okay". I seem to remember hearing "not a problem" a LOT about 13 years ago and in the last two years I've been to nearly 20 cancer related deaths of men aging from late 30's to early 50's. Three in just one day a couple of weeks ago.

I don't see any fear mongering here or in the press....just concern.
I'm not sure what is bothering you so much about this.

....lastly....the patient who went to the emergency room in Texas is now in critical condition.
Sounds like they got a handle on it though.

M.K.
Knight165

I work in a restaurant in Florida, which ranks up there with the most immigrant-populated regions in the country. One of my friends just came back from Africa.

I'm not saying "everything is okay," just "let's get our facts straight". I didn't compare Ebola to anything. I drew separate hypothetical scenarios to demonstrate the effects of misinformation or not being conscious of the words you choose. I don't appreciate you attempting to suggest otherwise when it's clear you did not take the time to actually read and analyze my post. Oddly enough, if you actually read my last post, I didn't even mention the word "Ebola" anywhere in it. Go ahead and press Ctrl + F and see for yourself.

Frankly I think you're being ridiculous here, I already addressed the misinformation and how it bothered me above. I'm not going to keep doing this or derail the thread. If other people want to metaphorically run around in circles then that's fine. Sorry for trying to bring emphasis to the truth vs hearsay, I'll just show myself out.

[Knight165]

Re: Ebola

I work in a restaurant in Florida, which ranks up there with the most immigrant-populated regions in the country. One of my friends just came back from Africa.

I'm not saying "everything is okay," just "let's get our facts straight". I didn't compare Ebola to anything. I drew separate hypothetical scenarios to demonstrate the effects of misinformation or not being conscious of the words you choose. I don't appreciate you attempting to suggest otherwise when it's clear you did not take the time to actually read and analyze my post. Oddly enough, if you actually read my last post, I didn't even mention the word "Ebola" anywhere in it. Go ahead and press Ctrl + F and see for yourself.

Frankly I think you're being ridiculous here, I already addressed the misinformation and how it bothered me above. I'm not going to keep doing this or derail the thread. If other people want to metaphorically run around in circles then that's fine. Sorry for trying to bring emphasis to the truth vs hearsay, I'll just show myself out.

Stop.
You made that analogy in an Ebola thread....about information about a virus that has no cure.
What do you think people are going to relate it with?
Conversation about the price of fuel?
The weather?
Shoes?

I'm sorry...but you trying to make everyone in this thread a "fear monger" is utterly ridiculous.
Not the other way around.
Nobody is calling for mass deportation or firebombing of countries/counties/hospitals that care for infected.

Oh...and I wouldn't lick any spoons before running them through the dishwasher.
Call me crazy.

M.K.
Knight165

[kehlis]

Re: Ebola

I work in a restaurant in Florida, which ranks up there with the most immigrant-populated regions in the country. One of my friends just came back from Africa.

I'm not saying "everything is okay," just "let's get our facts straight". I didn't compare Ebola to anything. I drew separate hypothetical scenarios to demonstrate the effects of misinformation or not being conscious of the words you choose. I don't appreciate you attempting to suggest otherwise when it's clear you did not take the time to actually read and analyze my post. Oddly enough, if you actually read my last post, I didn't even mention the word "Ebola" anywhere in it. Go ahead and press Ctrl + F and see for yourself.

Frankly I think you're being ridiculous here, I already addressed the misinformation and how it bothered me above. I'm not going to keep doing this or derail the thread. If other people want to metaphorically run around in circles then that's fine. Sorry for trying to bring emphasis to the truth vs hearsay, I'll just show myself out.

Getting facts straight?

You were the one trying to prove a point with Wikipedia links despite the fact that some else posted links from medical sites proving otherwise which you conveniently ignored.

[Bobhead]

Re: Ebola

Getting facts straight?

You were the one trying to prove a point with Wikipedia links despite the fact that some else posted links from medical sites proving otherwise which you conveniently ignored.

I didn't ignore anything. The information provided by someone else did not contradict with mine, so I didn't respond to it. And I can't read minds... If someone wanted non-wikipedia sources from me all they had to do was ask:

Ebola apparently can’t be spread through the air by coughing or sneezing.

Unlike respiratory illnesses like measles or chickenpox, which can be transmitted by virus particles that remain suspended in the air after an infected person coughs or sneezes, Ebola is transmitted by direct contact with body fluids of a person who has symptoms of Ebola disease.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/10/04/from-the-cdc-on-how-ebola-can-be-transmitted/

Ebola is not spread through the air or by water, or in general, by food. However, in Africa, Ebola may be spread as a result of handling bushmeat (wild animals hunted for food) and contact with infected bats. There is no evidence that mosquitos or other insects can transmit Ebola virus. Only mammals (for example, humans, bats, monkeys, and apes) have shown the ability to become infected with and spread Ebola virus.

http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/transmission/

People who are infected with Ebola are not contagious until they become ill

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2014/10/03/what-does-direct-contact-mean-truth-about-ebola-transmission/

Health-care workers have frequently been infected while treating patients with suspected or confirmed EVD. This has occurred through close contact with patients when infection control precautions are not strictly practiced.

Burial ceremonies in which mourners have direct contact with the body of the deceased person can also play a role in the transmission of Ebola.

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs103/en/

We conclude that EBOV is shed in a wide variety of bodily fluids during the acute period of illness but that the risk of transmission from fomites in an isolation ward and from convalescent patients is low when currently recommended infection control guidelines for the viral hemorrhagic fevers are followed.

http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/conten...nt_2/S142.full

So there you go, non-Wikipedia sources to tie along with whatever I posted earlier. As far as the ongoing argument goes, I'm done with that, as I already said. It's clear there's a big difference in philosophy and opinion here, and since I'm in the minority I'll just let things be. My PM box is open if someone really wants to talk to me further.