Infraction for criticizing an ARTICLE!?

[PVarck31]

Re: Infraction for criticizing an ARTICLE!?

Is that right? I never would have guessed. I honestly do not see a lot of objective posts by current mods in the various forums around here. It's getting progressively worse at that.




Ok then. Interested to see how this works out.

Like I said. No matter what a mod does someone won't like it. This isn't a paid position. We are all doing the best we can. If you don't believe that then im sorry.

[fishepa]

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I guess I'm unclear about what the line is. If I post "This article sucks and its clear that the author is biased toward EA. He didnt even mention the roster bug or the horrible special teams." is that trolling? That statement is clearly with the intent to get a negative reaction but its a critique of the article.

IMO that is different than the post was given the infraction. I'm not a big fan of gamefaqs and "IGN like" comments, which is what the original post was like.

That's why I said it's a slippery slope.

[fishepa]

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I understand. Its just a tough call.

It is, and none of the mods and myself are perfect. Sometimes comments that deserve infractions are missed, and sometimes comments that maybe didn't deserver an infraction get infractions.

[trobinson97]

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Like I said. No matter what a mod does someone won't like it. This isn't a paid position. We are all doing the best we can. If you don't believe that then im sorry.

I have absolutely no doubts that what you are doing, you are doing it the best that you can.

[SoMiss2000]

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I really don't think OS needs to clear anything up with anyone. Steve did what he did because its business. That's all. If people want to believe they OS is in EA's pocket that's fine, but there is a right way and a wrong way to address everything. In today's world, companies are merging all the time. Its mostly because its good for business. That's just the way it is.

Sprint/Nextel disagrees on your last point...lol

[PVarck31]

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Sprint/Nextel disagrees on your last point...lol

I was just about to ask someone to post something funny because its getting way to serious here.

[McLite]

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Is that right? I never would have guessed. I honestly do not see a lot of objective posts by current mods in the various forums around here. It's getting progressively worse at that.

Objective like your avatar? You obviously think "It's A Shame" that EA presents Operation Sports yet you plead for objectivity...how does that work? Are you subject to an opinion...but because I am a Mod I am not?

Mods were not created, or brought in...they are/were members who have been around a while (5 years for me) and were asked. I do it because I think OS is the best sports/video game site on the web and I want to keep it that way. I have never once been steered by Steve or any other senior mod on what to do/allow. I just simply try to do the best I can.

[PVarck31]

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Objective like your avatar? You obviously think "It's A Shame" that EA presents Operation Sports yet you plead for objectivity...how does that work? Are you subject to an opinion...but because I am a Mod I am not?

Mods were not created, or brought in...they are/were members who have been around a while (5 years for me) and were asked. I do it because I think OS is the best sports/video game site on the web and I want to keep it that way. I have never once been steered by Steve or any other senior mod on what to do/allow. I just simply try to do the best I can.

[trobinson97]

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Objective like your avatar? You obviously think "It's A Shame" that EA presents Operation Sports yet you plead for objectivity...how does that work? Are you subject to an opinion...but because I am a Mod I am not?

If I think it's a shame that OS is now presented by EA then why wouldn't I plead for objectivity, especially since that's the way it used to be? Why wouldn't I want the mods and the staff writers to be objective about the decisions they make and the things they report. What point are you trying to make exactly? What do you mean am I subject to an opinion and you aren't because of your status as a mod? Everyone is subject to opinion man. Of course you're subject to opinion. I just subjected you to mine in that I do not see a lot of objectivity with some of the mods here.

Did you mean that as a mod you are not allowed to give your opinions because you are a mod and I am because I am not? That would make more sense to me, maybe it's just your wording. In that case, sure, give your opinion, we are all entitled I feel. The response was to pj saying mods are chosen because they post objectively, meaning their opinions are objective ones. I said I never would have guessed because I am not seeing a lot of it lately.

As for me being objective, well I think I am most of the time. I think my avatar was made as a result of it. If I can see that it's reported that a certain site was bought by the employee of a certain company and now that site releases articles which seem to be largely slanted in the favor of said company, it doesn't take much to come up with an idea of what's going on. If I go to a forum and see posts that criticize a game that said company made get locked repeatedly while threads that give praise are left open, then I am going to form an opinion based on that. If I see people who are criticizing the game being told to not post because they didn't buy the game, I am going to think something is up. If I see mods defending said company every chance they get and using their status to enforce their defense I could come up with a couple of ideas about what's going on, but after examining everything else it's most likely going to come to the one idea. I am on the outside looking in, so what I see is what I see.

It's not because of some bias I have against said company necessarily, and I keep having to defend this but it's cool. Rather it has more to do with the integrity of the site, it's staff and the community. I have bought the games like most others, and even if I loved their games I wouldn't put too much stock in a review from a site that seems to be more and more in the "pocket" of the company that made it. I wouldn't care if it were EA, 2K, Sony, whoever. If I saw the same thing going on with one of those companies that I do with this one, the avatar would say something different. I am not loyal to any company.

[fishepa]

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There are plenty of people criticizing EA now and rightfully so, because there a definitely some problems with NCAA. The problem is when you have 20 threads all bitching about the same problem, then yes, we are going to lock some of them up. I don't understand the problem here.

[Scottdau]

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Its not that simple. People came to OS because they could get unbiased and well written sports game reviews. The fact that OS never appeared to be in the pocket of a game company was the reason why many people here loved this site. Now because of some business moves OS's reputation is sullied.

I dont blame Steve at all for doing whats best for him but the Staff should take some pride in its reputation. If it doesnt it might as well just become a preview/screenshot site because no one will give a crap about their reviews if they think they are biased.

I can agree with that to a point, but come on Unbiased. Correct me if I am wrong didn't nhl 2k7 or something like that get a 10 from one of the writers here? They even said it on their commercial, that OS give it a 10. A 10. lol I have always felt that OS was pro 2k. And when EA bought the rights then they became haters of EA. I could be wrong. I came to this site because I did a search for SCEA MLB sliders in 2003 and the results were Pared sliders.

[Scottdau]

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There are plenty of people criticizing EA now and rightfully so, because there a definitely some problems with NCAA. The problem is when you have 20 threads all bitching about the same problem, then yes, we are going to lock some of them up. I don't understand the problem here.

I say it is 2k. People felt rob by EA. I don't know what I feel. I do know one thing. 2K football did a great job and I will always miss it, but EA has really step it up this year.

[aholbert32]

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I can agree with that to a point, but come on Unbiased. Correct me if I am wrong didn't nhl 2k7 or something like that get a 10 from one of the writers here? They even said it on their commercial, that OS give it a 10. A 10. lol I have always felt that OS was pro 2k. And when EA bought the rights then they became haters of EA. I could be wrong. I came to this site because I did a search for SCEA MLB sliders in 2003 and the results were Pared sliders.

If you understood what a 10 means you wouldnt question that review. A 10 doesnt mean perfect or the best hockey game ever. Also its pretty clear that you broke the golden rule of reading reviews which is.....read the review not just the score.

[Scottdau]

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If you understood what a 10 means you wouldnt question that review. A 10 doesnt mean perfect or the best hockey game ever. Also its pretty clear that you broke the golden rule of reading reviews which is.....read the review not just the score.

Yep, but it is hard to read a review when the score is there on the bottom. I understand why it got a 10, but then the next year it got a lower score and it was pretty much the same game. Just with updated roster. I don't know, but that 10 makes me laugh, but it did put OS on TV. So maybe that is cool!

[Shaver]

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I have to take issue with the person who said that a "post" was in violation of TOS because it made the EA connection to the article.

Steve's desire when he let Bronco buy the stake in the site in exchange for the redesign was to make the front page a separate entity from the forums... Steve was never a forum guy per se and always wanted it viewed differently... so... when a front page article is written.... a comment is made.... why is a person being given a "penalty" to their forum account when they are only doing what they have been encouraged to do - read the front page and comment????

No one is trying to say modding is an easy role to play. It's pretty thankless and difficult. However, it's also imperative that you follow at least one simple tenant - consistancy in what you're asking for. Don't ask for comments on the front page if you don't want them.