Really want to love this game but 90th minute goals/scripting are killing me again

[xicpanad]

Re: Really want to love this game but 90th minute goals/scripting are killing me agai

the thing that really bugs me, and that´s what I tried to say it wasn´t perfect, is how the CPU players can drible sometimes around the box, spinning around with the ball over and over, its just unnatural. But all the other things, like unexpected headers, penalties, accuracy on shooting and passing by the CPU, you know, all those things that make you think CPU shouldn´t be doing... I don´t understand because I see them like random situations.

In so many matches I still can´t make a rule and find out what´s going to happen. I do see the CPU ramping up, specially if they are loosing, but that never means that I´ll loose the match! Never did. And by playing right, I meant playing according to what the game does. When a game comes out with a different approach, we also need to approach diferently, and I learned that this year. I started to defend cautiously, patiently and the results are awesome. CPU understands it and, though it won´t stop 100% the ramping, it really reduces it alot!!

I used to think that CPU only dribles all the time around the box, but when I defend properly, CPU changes so much you might not even believe it just because I´m saying it. I´ve had matches where the only thing CPU started to do was bombing long balls to my box, almost from midfield!

Right this morning, CPU even passed a ball to the GK from my own midfield!! CPU saw the risk of loosing the ball and giving away a very dangerous counter and just did that!

I´m playing with Barnsley in league one and I really felt the team growing up in form. I have easier matches against lower teams and considerably harder ones against top teams. I´m in first place for now, 3 points ahead.
In CO cup I lost in the quarter finals with Manchester city, the biggest team I played against. I sure don´t feel the dynamic dificulty against lower teams. Those games are never a walk in the park, but can totally see theyr weaknesses and also explore them.

And I must say again, there´s nothing the CPU has done to me, that I haven´t already done too in the same amount of times.

Not trying to sell anything here, just disapointed that some people can´t have the same experience with this game.

[XXstormmXX]

Re: Really want to love this game but 90th minute goals/scripting are killing me agai

Anyone having trouble against lower teams isn't going to have the same problems as you because you play as a lower league team. Try playing as Real Madrid and see how you'll keep getting underdogs who play superhumanly well.

[xicpanad]

Re: Really want to love this game but 90th minute goals/scripting are killing me agai

Well thing is dynamic dificulty works both ways. So I should be having more problems against lower league teams then top team or even championship league teams, wich is not the case at all.

I really think its too dificult to compare because each person plays diferent. Scirpting can only be felt by you, it can not be shown to others through videos, i mean, how the hell do I know what the player was trying to do?
I did experience some odd things already, like totally misjudged passes or shots, but not so much to make me believe the game is cheating.

Only today I realised in my career, I´m not so good at attacking with 28 goals after 23 matches, I´m one of the weakest attacks in my league. But I´m also the best defense with just 11 goals conceived, wich makes me the leader so far. Maybe I´m just lucky for the way I play, wich doesn´t show me so many problems as you guys are feeling.

[olig23]

Re: Really want to love this game but 90th minute goals/scripting are killing me agai

**Apologies if this got long, but I just thought I'd offer my observations on this topic - It seems I had more to say than I thought**

I play as Arsenal. So I think it's fair to say I am favourite in most games. I play on World Class and I'm into my third season. I did 7 with Arsenal on Fifa 14.

Personally, I see zero evidence of scripting. As I've seen it described here, anyway that would entail players suddenly behaving making mistakes and the AI playing better. I seem to grind out more 1-0 wins than anything, so you would think I'd see at least some late equalizers. Thinking about it now I cannot think of any. I'm sure there will have been, but the fact that I cannot tells me it's not a big problem.

My last three matches were as follows:

Lost 2-0 away at Cardiff (Damn you Darren Bent). I had 68% possession and way more shots, but they got a lead and then finished my off while I was "All out Attack". This is one of those games where I've heard some people cry foul about "super keepers" but I think I just missed some good chances and their keeper played well.

Won 5-0 at home vs Swansea. Having been a bit slow and ultimately lost at Cardiff I played with a bit more directness and aggression against Swansea. It worked well. I saw no comeback logic at all. In fact I missed three very good chances in the final 5 minutes. Swansea had only 2 attempts on goal.

Won 4-1 at home against Dortmund. Totally outplayed in the first half. Went 1-0 down. Scored just after half time to equalize. Made a decision to go "all out attack" quite early and ended with a 4-1 win. Dortmund created chances, but no more than I did at the end. Never felt like I was being cheated. Considering this is Dortmund who are very strong opponents in the QF of the Champions League, I was shocked by how little they tested my keeper if anything.


The obvious riposte to that is that my anecdotal reflections do not disprove that scripting is present. That's true. However, I can't really see why it is incumbent on anyone to prove it is not there since there is no concrete evidence to show that it is there to begin with.

As I understand it, EA has never suggested that there is any sort of scripting, nor any developers. It seems to be something that the community has created (I could be wrong, and if there is actual evidence of this then I'm interested to see it).

To that end, it seems like the wrong approach to start from the position of assuming that scripting is present. To me you make the observation that there are too many late goals against your team and work backwards. Scripting should not be the starting assumption, as far as I can see.

I find the notion of scripting even more illogical because I can see no practical advantage to it. I realize that EA have done plenty of things to alienate their user base over the years, but I can usually see why they do it - priority toward monetizing the game, adding "features" to attract a broader audience etc. As developers someone at EA would need to have made a decision that a developer spend some time coding the opponents increased abilities. I don't see what would make them do that? If the game is too easy, they have added difficulty settings which do the same job. It wouldn't make games better for players and EA gains nothing by frustrating their customers. So I begin with the notion that scripting of improved AI performance at the end of games as being unlikely, because I don't see any reason for EA to dedicate valuable programming time towards it. I do think that EAs mistakes have created a conspiratorial spirit among many of their consumers. Something I understand, but I think in this case is mis-directed.

One aspect I have seen mentioned is strategy. Certainly, that's not been a focus until this year. I strongly doubt that new scripting is created each year so I don't know if strategy is the reason people find themselves conceding more goals. I think playing defensive on FIFA 14 was only a small difference over normal. I never saw any special comebacks on FIFA 14 so I think it's a bit unfair to blame people who do not go ultra-defensive. Having said that, on FIFA 15 AI teams certainly benefit from the tactical depth.

One theme I have noticed is that on both 14 and 15 the AI will press far more when losing late in games. I tend to pass out of defence and I can get caught out if I am not playing smart and ready to hit long passes out to the mid-field. That's realistic though.

The other thing is how much more direct the opposition team are. Certainly, from my perspective on FIFA 15 the AI is quite dangerous if they have the ball in the area on either corner of the 18 yard box. That's worse at the end of games because they're up the pitch and pressing. Changing to Park the Bus seems to help but it can be tough to keep the ball in those cases. It's certainly tough at the end of some games, but I find that to be realistic.

[boxers]

Re: Really want to love this game but 90th minute goals/scripting are killing me agai

Look at the above videos. Also play manager mode, keep playing matches, especially matches where you're a heavy favorite. I recommend playing as Madrid or Barca or Bayern or another giant and then wait until you play one of those games against a underdog where they play like a world-xi team all game.

Sorry but those videos show things happening at completely different times and in completely different contexts. I'm not sure something with that amount of variability can be described as "scripting".

We've all had passes go to the wrong person or easy shots missed but it is a game after all. It is trying to simulate the randomness of an actual football match. Mario Balotelli missed a wide open net from 6 feet out in real life and I bet, given his ratings in FIFA, people would think that was "scripting" if it happened in the video game.

Maybe someone can break down the meaning of scripting for me because it sounds like people are suggesting that the game is deliberately effecting human error in order to keep games close. If that is the basic argument, then I'm sorry to say that I have not experienced it and cannot see it in any of the videos. But I may be misunderstanding what people are upset about.

[XXstormmXX]

Re: Really want to love this game but 90th minute goals/scripting are killing me agai

I'll define it the best I can.

Scripting in FUT: When a vastly superior team controlled by a better player is handicapped so the bad players the person is competing with can have a good time and not get frustrated with the game.
Scripting in career mode: Handicapping a heavy favorite to keep the game interesting. Effects include physics laws being broken, your 35 goal striker not being able to hit the open net, your players being pushed away from attacking CPU players by The Force, and rubbish players being able to play like Messi or Ronaldo.

[kashik]

Re: Really want to love this game but 90th minute goals/scripting are killing me agai

Personally, I see zero evidence of scripting. As I've seen it described here, anyway that would entail players suddenly behaving making mistakes and the AI playing better.

If you are willing to try something out, you can quite easily see some effects of what is usually broadly termed as scripting. I prefer to call it dynamic difficulty, however, as scripting might imply a specific type of goal gets scored at a certain time... and I don't believe that is happening.

The cool thing about this is that you can actually determine the exact moment when the difficulty changes. You don't need to watch someone's youtube videos and try to guess what is happening. Feel it for yourself.

If you have already played FUT, this will only take a few minutes to setup. If you still have your really low rated bronze players that you were first given when you started FUT, put the worst ones into a starting 11... don't aim for high chemistry or anything... the goal is to have an intentionally weak team, but a bench with two or three high rated players. Once you have done this, start a single player season. Once in game, play around for a half so you can get a feel for things. In the second half, sub in two or three of your high rated players. There should be an immediate difference in difficulty. The opponent will become harder, and you may even notice your players playing like they are in mud (unsure if it is because the cpu becomes faster, your players slow down, or a combination of both.)

I'm confident in saying that the difficulty will scale for you or against you depending on certain criteria... in this case player ratings. I exploited this in every game for the first 3 or so seasons (div 9 to 7 IIRC) so I could burn through the divs as fast as possible with easy wins and get some coins. With ~45-55 rated players, and almost non-existant chemistry, I was able to beat much higher rated teams... In fact, I was crushing teams... even when their rating was far above mine and their difficulty was Professional or World Class, it didn't matter too much; If I scored 12 goals against a semi-pro side, I'd score 3 or 4 against a world class side.

I will say, however, that it became progressively harder as the teams in later divisions were so far beyond my team rating... So this dynamic difficulty will probably be most apparent if you're just starting out.


The point I'd like to make is... if we can see these things happening in one part of the game, it is more likely than not that it also exists, to some degree, in other parts of the game. It doesn't behave the same in MM, like if you sub in/out certain players, but you can definitely feel it just the same. I believe this is likely what is behind the perception of scripting.

[xicpanad]

Re: Really want to love this game but 90th minute goals/scripting are killing me agai

All I can say is I´m glad I don´t see that ype of dynamic dificulty.
In my manager mode lately I had my two strikers injured so had to play a couple games with two players that were poor in form and mentality. It was awfull, damn I missed my 1st team strikers. Had a bad time but now my strikers are back and started to create great chances again. For me, good players are making a diference, for good.

[Rabid_Beaver]

Really want to love this game but 90th minute goals/scripting are killing me ...

Ever watched soccer? Cuz goals in the the 90th minute happen quite s bit.

Park the bus, clear your goal... Play D.

I haven't seen an issue. It happens... But nothing o the point it's an issue.

[XXstormmXX]

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Ever watched soccer? Cuz goals in the the 90th minute happen quite s bit.

Park the bus, clear your goal... Play D.

I haven't seen an issue. It happens... But nothing o the point it's an issue.

Most of the time we don't complain about late goals but we complain about how they happen. For example when the game makes CPU controlled players on your team run away from attackers to let them score.

[zanner]

Re: Really want to love this game but 90th minute goals/scripting are killing me ...

Ever watched soccer? Cuz goals in the the 90th minute happen quite s bit.

Park the bus, clear your goal... Play D.

I haven't seen an issue. It happens... But nothing o the point it's an issue.

Xxstormxx has pretty much described how I feel even though I consider fifa a good game I don't put on blinders when things change in certain times of the game with no explanation. That's the biggest problem I have.

Stating that we must not watch soccer is just a crock rebuttal. In sports there are tremendous things that happen but just because they happen a rare amount of times doesn't make it the norm. I've seen perfect games thrown in baseball, I don't expect a video game to make it the norm all in the name of a challenge or changing the way the game plays to allow it.

In previous three world cups there were 8, 11 and 9 goals scored in the 45th and 90th+ minute COMBINED across all games. In a normal season in manager mode of Fifa, these totals are easily eclipsed and it's not so much that they happen much more often than in reality, it's more so how they happen, who they happen too (bad teams more often) and the change in abilities that allow this low percentage phenomenon to happen as common place. And I think that's what the more level headed posters that probably still enjoy the game are criticizing.

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[kashik]

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All I can say is I´m glad I don´t see that ype of dynamic dificulty... ...For me, good players are making a diference, for good.

Yes, you are playing MM. I was writing of a method that will show you an extreme example of it in FUT. It seems to be dependent on different criteria in MM, most likely your position in the table, whether it is a cup game, the position of your opponent in the table, and so on... Things you can't change yourself immediately while playing.

Try it out if you're interested; once you've felt it, you'll be able to spot it better when it happens in MM.

[kashik]

Re: Really want to love this game but 90th minute goals/scripting are killing me ...

In a normal season in manager mode of Fifa, these totals are easily eclipsed and it's not so much that they happen much more often than in reality, it's more so how they happen, who they happen too (bad teams more often) and the change in abilities that allow this low percentage phenomenon to happen as common place. And I think that's what the more level headed posters that probably still enjoy the game are criticizing.

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Ya I'm definitely enjoying the game, but I'm not going to deny something exists in the game when it very clearly does.

[wordtobigbird]

Re: Really want to love this game but 90th minute goals/scripting are killing me ...

Most of the time we don't complain about late goals but we complain about how they happen. For example when the game makes CPU controlled players on your team run away from attackers to let them score.

The game makes players on your team run away from attackers?

Lol. C'mon man. So The defender is in front of the dribbler and RUNS AWAY? So they can score? Please let me see this.

Personally I think the scripting is when the CPU finally does try to go all out and score people's defense isn't good enough stop continuous attack and/or they can't hold the ball. Try this next game, when you are up with 10 minutes left and the CPU is about to script you. Hold possession. If the score a goal without the ball then I might believe in scripting.

[half-fast]

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The game makes players on your team run away from attackers?

Lol. C'mon man. So The defender is in front of the dribbler and RUNS AWAY? So they can score? Please let me see this.

Personally I think the scripting is when the CPU finally does try to go all out and score people's defense isn't good enough stop continuous attack and/or they can't hold the ball. Try this next game, when you are up with 10 minutes left and the CPU is about to script you. Hold possession. If the score a goal without the ball then I might believe in scripting.

You obviously dont play enough, or are not observant enough.